Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[Revived]

I hope the Suns get a good sized backup C.

I’m watching the playoffs and even though the star bigs have been eliminated, the somewhat productive backup bigs have been pretty important to give good mins in short spurts.

I love Holmes and his energy but the Suns were outrebounded pretty badly especially giving up offensive rebounds when he was in the game because he’s so small.

With all the attention going to PG and PF, backup C can’t be ignored imo.

[jredsaz]

I was convinced that after Orlando made the playoffs that AG would be off the table. Some of the Magic fans around here disagree. I doubt the magic would want to eat that money.

A trade that works is Warren, Jackson, #6 for AG and #16. Its probably more than most are willing to give up.

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Oh I'd absolutely do that trade, hell I'd probably do it without 16 coming back.

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Yeah, I'd do that but I don't think Orlando would. They seem high on AG and are also big on wingspan, particular types of players...neither of TJ/JJ have that.

I agree but it would depend on who was available at #6 and if he fit that profile. TJ in particular, is useful as a rotation piece regardless of wingspan. Josh is basically a flyer at this point. Looking at the measurements Hunter is the prospect that fits the profile. Culver, Garland, and White do not. PJ Washington does as well and I suspect he climbs draft boards as the draft approaches.



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[bwgood77]

Oh I'd absolutely do that trade, hell I'd probably do it without 16 coming back.

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Yeah, I'd do that but I don't think Orlando would. They seem high on AG and are also big on wingspan, particular types of players...neither of TJ/JJ have that.

I agree but it would depend on who was available at #6 and if he fit that profile. TJ in particular, is useful as a rotation piece regardless of wingspan. Josh is basically a flyer at this point. Looking at the measurements Hunter is the prospect that fits the profile. Culver, Garland, and White do not. PJ Washington does as well and I suspect he climbs draft boards as the draft approaches.

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Yeah, when I was thinking about it I was thinking they would want Hunter with that pick. But they had a good thing going and did well playing Isaac and Gordon together and Gordon is kind of their star so I'd be surprised if they did that, especially for 3 SFs.

[Crives]

What do you think of

Dennis + 21 for Tyler +32

We save 3.7m. Gets us to 13.8m in cap, enough to get Bev, Rubio or collison ?
Interesting prospects at 21. I’m taking Mfiondu.
I’d feel better taking on Dennis with Monty as our coach.

[BobbieL]

A name that I haven’t seen thrown around this year is Dennis Schrador. I don’t think the thunder keep their roster intact , so they might be willing to move him.

I would eat his salary if they add Grant. Love Grant next to Ayton.

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Love grants fit too. Mentioned earlier I'd be 100% fine trading 6 for Grant.

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Tyler Josh and 6 for Shroeder and Grant?

[BobbieL]

What do you think of

Dennis + 21 for Tyler +32

We save 3.7m. Gets us to 13.8m in cap, enough to get Bev, Rubio or collison ?
Interesting prospects at 21. I’m taking Mfiondu.
I’d feel better taking on Dennis with Monty as our coach.

If I am trading Tyler - I really like the idea of Tyler and the Bucks pick for Jr Smith and Zizic - pure cap space trade to get the right player.

[VCfor3]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

[bhawk]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

How about Conley and Mem #2 this year for PHX #6?

That sounds about right for a washed up PG with one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

[VCfor3]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

How about Conley and Mem #2 this year for PHX #6?

That sounds about right for a washed up PG with one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

...you realize Conley had one of his better seasons last year right? Kinda hard to call him washed up or one of the worst contracts when Wiggins, Wall, Hayward, Paul, and others are out there. His contract isn't great but he is a positive asset.

[King4Day]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

I've tried selling the board on a deal surrounding Johnson, Jackson, and the 6th for Conley and nobody liked it. So I can't see this deal being favored.

[King4Day]

Eddie Johnson, on NBA radio commented (in passing) that he believes the Suns will take a look at Kemba and Conley (opinion). Thinks Conley would be cheap. Didn't give any impression on what he thought it might take to get him though.

[Crives]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

I’ll leave it to the Arizona suns insider

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[bhawk]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

How about Conley and Mem #2 this year for PHX #6?

That sounds about right for a washed up PG with one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

...you realize Conley had one of his better seasons last year right? Kinda hard to call him washed up or one of the worst contracts when Wiggins, Wall, Hayward, Paul, and others are out there. His contract isn't great but he is a positive asset.

I was exaggerating to make the point that Conley is not wanted here. He doesn't fit our time-line, our core is MUCH younger, he would kill our salary cap, etc. He may have had a good year, and congrats. I hope that he has another good year playing for Memphis... and a good year after that in Memphis, and after that, and after that... until he retires.

Maybe temper your high expectations on a Conley trade? He is not worth what you posted. Not even close. My opinion. I'll shut up now.

[Crives]

What do you think of

Dennis + 21 for Tyler +32

We save 3.7m. Gets us to 13.8m in cap, enough to get Bev, Rubio or collison ?
Interesting prospects at 21. I’m taking Mfiondu.
I’d feel better taking on Dennis with Monty as our coach.

If I am trading Tyler - I really like the idea of Tyler and the Bucks pick for Jr Smith and Zizic - pure cap space trade to get the right player.

I like it. That would give us enough money to sign Brogdon to an offer sheet.

The advantage of this trade is moving up to 21 (if there’s someone we really like), while freeing enough cap to go after guys like Bev/Rubio/collision

[VCfor3]

PHX in: Conley, Anderson, #25
PHX out: 2020 PHX 1st (Top 4 protected, convey MIL pick instead if doesn't convey), 2022 PHX 1st (Top 10 protected, immediately becomes 2022 & 2023 2nds), Warren, Johnson, Jackson/#32?

MEM in: 2020 PHX 1st, 2022 PHX 1st, Johnson, Jackson/#32?, Turner, 2022 POR 2nd
MEM out: Conley, Anderson

POR in: Warren
POR out: Turner, #25, 2022 2nd

Conley and Anderson would fill your holes at PG and PF. At 25 Pheonix can hopefully grab Williams that a few of you are high on and at 6 you can take Garland/White as your PG of the future. Josh Jackson and/or #32 being included is debatable. Portland saves money and gets a decent player. If #32 isn't included maybe you can get a backup C and use the room exception for a backup SG. You'd have a legit shot at making the playoffs though it will never be easy in the West. If you win the lottery next year you keep your pick and if for some reason things go bad and you aren't great in 2022 you keep the pick as a sort of safety net. Heck there is a chance you could get Conley, Anderson, and a late first and ultimately only send out the late MIL 1st and a couple 2nds plus Warren/filler.

Conley, Garland/White, Melton
Booker
Bridges, Oubre
Anderson, Williams
Ayton

I've tried selling the board on a deal surrounding Johnson, Jackson, and the 6th for Conley and nobody liked it. So I can't see this deal being favored.

Appreciate the response. There are quite a few NBA media types suggesting a 6 for Conley type deal though that means very little. I was just trying to explore an option that would let you keep your high pick while also getting you a starting PG and PF. If you guys put it together next year you could sneak into the playoffs thus conveying a non-lottery pick in a draft that isn't supposed to be much better than this one. In 2022 your young guys have had a few years to develop, Conley's salary is gone so you can go after a FA with a strong sales pitch, or maybe bring Conley back on a significantly cheaper deal to back up Garland/White. That pick should be in the 20s. Anderson also is young enough to be a part of the future moving forward. 15+20+Warren+Johnson for Conley+Anderson+25 is a pretty decent deal for PHX though Memphis is gambling those picks are a bit better and the drafts are a bit stronger.

[VCfor3]

How about Conley and Mem #2 this year for PHX #6?

That sounds about right for a washed up PG with one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

...you realize Conley had one of his better seasons last year right? Kinda hard to call him washed up or one of the worst contracts when Wiggins, Wall, Hayward, Paul, and others are out there. His contract isn't great but he is a positive asset.

I was exaggerating to make the point that Conley is not wanted here. He doesn't fit our time-line, our core is MUCH younger, he would kill our salary cap, etc. He may have had a good year, and congrats. I hope that he has another good year playing for Memphis... and a good year after that in Memphis, and after that, and after that... until he retires.

Maybe temper your high expectations on a Conley trade? He is not worth what you posted. Not even close. My opinion. I'll shut up now.

Utah can offer pure cap space, #23, and another small asset for Conley thus he is an asset. I was looking for an option that wasn't 6+Johnson (I've even seen 6+Warren+Johnson suggested) since though this is a weak draft 6 is a high pick. Anderson is someone Memphis would see as a positive asset as well and who would help your defense. If you guys can make the playoffs with the East being weaker, you may be conveying #18 next draft (SAS was an 8th seed and got the 19th pick) and #24 in the 2022 draft while getting #25 this draft as well. If you are going to bring Oubre back then losing Warren isn't quite as bad since you have a logjam at SF.

And Conley definitely doesn't fit the timeline of your young guys, but having a veteran PG can help your young guys develop and draw attention from the opposing defenses. He also can help your culture which ended on a good note this year but was pretty rough for a bit there.

You also fired a GM for basically not getting an experience PG so assuming Holiday is off the market (any team even mildly considering Conley should call NOP first) you are looking at Conley or hoping to pull someone in FA. Rubio would be a decent guy to look into but I think Bev will get at least a MLE from a playoff team that he'd take.

EDIT: Conley not being worth it to PHX is easy enough to argue and is a valid opinion. There also are reasons why he could be a decent addition and thus I posted it here more for discussion than anything else. I appreciate your second post that pointed out why you'd avoid him with a ten foot pole if it was your call.

[Sreister]

...you realize Conley had one of his better seasons last year right? Kinda hard to call him washed up or one of the worst contracts when Wiggins, Wall, Hayward, Paul, and others are out there. His contract isn't great but he is a positive asset.

I was exaggerating to make the point that Conley is not wanted here. He doesn't fit our time-line, our core is MUCH younger, he would kill our salary cap, etc. He may have had a good year, and congrats. I hope that he has another good year playing for Memphis... and a good year after that in Memphis, and after that, and after that... until he retires.

Maybe temper your high expectations on a Conley trade? He is not worth what you posted. Not even close. My opinion. I'll shut up now.

Utah can offer pure cap space, #23, and another small asset for Conley thus he is an asset. I was looking for an option that wasn't 6+Johnson (I've even seen 6+Warren+Johnson suggested) since though this is a weak draft 6 is a high pick. Anderson is someone Memphis would see as a positive asset as well and who would help your defense. If you guys can make the playoffs with the East being weaker, you may be conveying #18 next draft (SAS was an 8th seed and got the 19th pick) and #24 in the 2022 draft while getting #25 this draft as well. If you are going to bring Oubre back then losing Warren isn't quite as bad since you have a logjam at SF.

And Conley definitely doesn't fit the timeline of your young guys, but having a veteran PG can help your young guys develop and draw attention from the opposing defenses. He also can help your culture which ended on a good note this year but was pretty rough for a bit there.

You also fired a GM for basically not getting an experience PG so assuming Holiday is off the market (any team even mildly considering Conley should call NOP first) you are looking at Conley or hoping to pull someone in FA. Rubio would be a decent guy to look into but I think Bev will get at least a MLE from a playoff team that he'd take.

And I don't expect you to have seen this, but Jones has come out and said there's a different between vet leadership, and OLD VET leadership. We've tried the OLD way of doing it, and by putting 32 year olds with 19-22 year olds we've seen that it doesn't work well. We need something in between, and outside of a few staunch Conley supporters, I think the general consensus seems to be, we don't need a 32 year old PG with an achilles injury to lead our 21 year olds into battle.

It's a lose lose for both sides from what I can see, at least as far as fan perspectives. In all honesty, I'd rather keep Tyler and stop paying him after this coming year, than have the potential increase in talent but also potential decrease in availability that Conley leaves. And Tyler isn't exactly the icon of health, but hes cheaper and shorter contract wise.

[VCfor3]

I was exaggerating to make the point that Conley is not wanted here. He doesn't fit our time-line, our core is MUCH younger, he would kill our salary cap, etc. He may have had a good year, and congrats. I hope that he has another good year playing for Memphis... and a good year after that in Memphis, and after that, and after that... until he retires.

Maybe temper your high expectations on a Conley trade? He is not worth what you posted. Not even close. My opinion. I'll shut up now.

Utah can offer pure cap space, #23, and another small asset for Conley thus he is an asset. I was looking for an option that wasn't 6+Johnson (I've even seen 6+Warren+Johnson suggested) since though this is a weak draft 6 is a high pick. Anderson is someone Memphis would see as a positive asset as well and who would help your defense. If you guys can make the playoffs with the East being weaker, you may be conveying #18 next draft (SAS was an 8th seed and got the 19th pick) and #24 in the 2022 draft while getting #25 this draft as well. If you are going to bring Oubre back then losing Warren isn't quite as bad since you have a logjam at SF.

And Conley definitely doesn't fit the timeline of your young guys, but having a veteran PG can help your young guys develop and draw attention from the opposing defenses. He also can help your culture which ended on a good note this year but was pretty rough for a bit there.

You also fired a GM for basically not getting an experience PG so assuming Holiday is off the market (any team even mildly considering Conley should call NOP first) you are looking at Conley or hoping to pull someone in FA. Rubio would be a decent guy to look into but I think Bev will get at least a MLE from a playoff team that he'd take.

And I don't expect you to have seen this, but Jones has come out and said there's a different between vet leadership, and OLD VET leadership. We've tried the OLD way of doing it, and by putting 32 year olds with 19-22 year olds we've seen that it doesn't work well. We need something in between, and outside of a few staunch Conley supporters, I think the general consensus seems to be, we don't need a 32 year old PG with an achilles injury to lead our 21 year olds into battle.


It's a lose lose for both sides from what I can see, at least as far as fan perspectives. In all honesty, I'd rather keep Tyler and stop paying him after this coming year, than have the potential increase in talent but also potential decrease in availability that Conley leaves. And Tyler isn't exactly the icon of health, but hes cheaper and shorter contract wise.

Good to know. I had only seen the part about him wanting vet leadership. As far as Tyler goes, I think he is neutral value. He is an expiring contract so will be off the books next offseason for anyone who takes him. Injuries may be a concern but he can still put in some quality minutes even if it is just as a backup off the bench. Sticking with him and going after a Rubio/D Wright/Rozier type is definitely a solid alternative. If Boston is willing to move Smart he would be someone decent to look at too. I feel like MIL will likely match any offer Brogdon gets.

[BobbieL]

What do you think of

Dennis + 21 for Tyler +32

We save 3.7m. Gets us to 13.8m in cap, enough to get Bev, Rubio or collison ?
Interesting prospects at 21. I’m taking Mfiondu.
I’d feel better taking on Dennis with Monty as our coach.

If I am trading Tyler - I really like the idea of Tyler and the Bucks pick for Jr Smith and Zizic - pure cap space trade to get the right player.

I like it. That would give us enough money to sign Brogdon to an offer sheet.

The advantage of this trade is moving up to 21 (if there’s someone we really like), while freeing enough cap to go after guys like Bev/Rubio/collision

My thing with the Tyler contract - and its partly why I am against Conley (that and his age with a core group that is much younger) or trading for Dennis S is that I am tired of "bad contracts" on the team. I can suck it up with Tyler for one more year as I think he is a pretty good player. But if you are telling me because of JRs old school contract where they get all the cap savings by JUne 30 - if the Cavs want the 2020 Bucks FRP - that means the Suns can spend as they choose. Doesn't mean long term money - but no more bad contracts either.

[RunDogGun]

It would be amazing if Tyler would just work on his three point shot and passing. Then we won't have to make a trade for a PG.