Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[blackbishop]

Let's hope the Knicks presence in the AD sweepstakes is only to drive up the price that the Celtics pay for him so weaken the division rival. AD is an elite player but big men in the modern NBA don't lead teams to titles anymore.

I remember how so many fans rejected the idea of giving up Frye in a deal for Garnet .... is Mitch playing that same role now? Something to ponder...hmmmm. Although, I wouldn't want to give up the farm for a guy who won't resign.

This year's 3rd might be the best asset because it would be Zion's buddy the Pels could reunite him with. Maybe that would be worth more than multiples to them and let the Knicks keep more assets compared to the unknown of future Celtic assets.

AD is the prototype for the modern big man. I don't know why you think he wouldn't be a major impact player.

The strange thing is he really hasnt been a major impact player as his teams have only made the playoffs twice in seven years.

[awy]

ad is a major impact player but hes a play finisher type and ball denial strats are really effective if u dont have a good passing threat handling the ball

[spree8]

Is that a championship team though??

Im not so sure.

Nope, if we wanted to do championship or bust then we go after AD and sign vets to min contracts. I was just sayin if they wanted to keep the young guys but still be competitive...like the Celtics.

I think the Celtics would much rather be a championship team than who they are

Of course, but I mean they got Horford and Hayward to sign, and traded for Kyrie while keeping Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart, etc while believing they could compete for a title.

My point is Perry could possibly sell Durant and co. on that same philosophy of having depth if he wanted to keep the kids.

[stuporman]

Let's hope the Knicks presence in the AD sweepstakes is only to drive up the price that the Celtics pay for him so weaken the division rival. AD is an elite player but big men in the modern NBA don't lead teams to titles anymore.

I remember how so many fans rejected the idea of giving up Frye in a deal for Garnet .... is Mitch playing that same role now? Something to ponder...hmmmm. Although, I wouldn't want to give up the farm for a guy who won't resign.

This year's 3rd might be the best asset because it would be Zion's buddy the Pels could reunite him with. Maybe that would be worth more than multiples to them and let the Knicks keep more assets compared to the unknown of future Celtic assets.

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss bigs

First of all Durant is a 7 footer

And AD is the new era big ideal. He’s effective to the 3, he’s great up tempo, he can score inside and he’s able to guard all positions

You don’t want to see him in Celtics green just like we don’t want to see kawhi stay in Toronto

However if phily maintains, celts get ad, Toronto keeps kawhi and we add kd then the Atlantic is the top division by far. For whatever it’s worth. Which isn’t much since we play each other so much

I didn't dismiss bigs, I simply said they don't lead teams to titles in the modern NBA and they don't. A team needs to have elite perimeter players otherwise their bigs no matter how good they are are less effective with their production towards winning and will languish on mediocre teams.

Jokic is the closest thing to a big man who can lead a team and that is because of his facilitating and shooting ability from the perimeter. AD isn't that type of big man, he needs those guys on the outside to facilitate even though he's a prototypical modern big who is one of the best with his skill set.

Wait.... are you really trying to use Durant's height to suggest he's a big man? Oh...NLR

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

First of all Durant is a 7 footer

And AD is the new era big ideal. He’s effective to the 3, he’s great up tempo, he can score inside and he’s able to guard all positions

I took a look just for interest's sake. Obviously KD's mid-range stats are insane. AD's range does fall off over 16'.

na 0-3 3-10 10-16 16-3pt 3P
AD .767 .386 .408 .341 .331
KD .752 .541 .517 .535 .353
KP .604 .381 .430 .422 .395

AD, KD this year, KP last year.

[stuporman]

Let's hope the Knicks presence in the AD sweepstakes is only to drive up the price that the Celtics pay for him so weaken the division rival. AD is an elite player but big men in the modern NBA don't lead teams to titles anymore.

I remember how so many fans rejected the idea of giving up Frye in a deal for Garnet .... is Mitch playing that same role now? Something to ponder...hmmmm. Although, I wouldn't want to give up the farm for a guy who won't resign.

This year's 3rd might be the best asset because it would be Zion's buddy the Pels could reunite him with. Maybe that would be worth more than multiples to them and let the Knicks keep more assets compared to the unknown of future Celtic assets.

AD is the prototype for the modern big man. I don't know why you think he wouldn't be a major impact player.

I don't know why you think I said he wouldn't be a major impact player since I actually called him elite but the fact is big men don't lead teams to titles anymore in the modern NBA, the game is played more from the perimeter now.

As amazing as AD is has he can't even get his team to the playoffs more than he misses them. Yea, sure, it's the west but the results speak for themselves.

[DowNY]

Let's hope the Knicks presence in the AD sweepstakes is only to drive up the price that the Celtics pay for him so weaken the division rival. AD is an elite player but big men in the modern NBA don't lead teams to titles anymore.

I remember how so many fans rejected the idea of giving up Frye in a deal for Garnet .... is Mitch playing that same role now? Something to ponder...hmmmm. Although, I wouldn't want to give up the farm for a guy who won't resign.

This year's 3rd might be the best asset because it would be Zion's buddy the Pels could reunite him with. Maybe that would be worth more than multiples to them and let the Knicks keep more assets compared to the unknown of future Celtic assets.

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss bigs

First of all Durant is a 7 footer

And AD is the new era big ideal. He’s effective to the 3, he’s great up tempo, he can score inside and he’s able to guard all positions

You don’t want to see him in Celtics green just like we don’t want to see kawhi stay in Toronto

However if phily maintains, celts get ad, Toronto keeps kawhi and we add kd then the Atlantic is the top division by far. For whatever it’s worth. Which isn’t much since we play each other so much

I didn't dismiss bigs, I simply said they don't lead teams to titles in the modern NBA and they don't. A team needs to have elite perimeter players otherwise their bigs no matter how good they are are less effective with their production towards winning and will languish on mediocre teams.

Jokic is the closest thing to a big man who can lead a team and that is because of his facilitating and shooting ability from the perimeter. AD isn't that type of big man, he needs those guys on the outside to facilitate even though he's a prototypical modern big who is one of the best with his skill set.

Wait.... are you really trying to use Durant's height to suggest he's a big man? Oh...NLR

Jokic shrunk a lot of games during these playoffs.
I’m taking Embiid & AD over him. AD even shoots it better imo.

[Stannis]

Maybe Zion tells Pelicans he doesn't want to play with them. And maybe another player gets hyped at #2 like the Grizzlies did with Thabeet.

And Knicks get Zion.

[GONYK]

Let's hope the Knicks presence in the AD sweepstakes is only to drive up the price that the Celtics pay for him so weaken the division rival. AD is an elite player but big men in the modern NBA don't lead teams to titles anymore.

I remember how so many fans rejected the idea of giving up Frye in a deal for Garnet .... is Mitch playing that same role now? Something to ponder...hmmmm. Although, I wouldn't want to give up the farm for a guy who won't resign.

This year's 3rd might be the best asset because it would be Zion's buddy the Pels could reunite him with. Maybe that would be worth more than multiples to them and let the Knicks keep more assets compared to the unknown of future Celtic assets.

AD is the prototype for the modern big man. I don't know why you think he wouldn't be a major impact player.

I don't know why you think I said he wouldn't be a major impact player since I actually called him elite but the fact is big men don't lead teams to titles anymore in the modern NBA, the game is played more from the perimeter now.

As amazing as AD is has he can't even get his team to the playoffs more than he misses them. Yea, sure, it's the west but the results speak for themselves.

He wouldn't be leading us though. He'd be a part of a 3 headed monster. He would be as perfect of a big to slot into that big three since he's switchy on defense, can score on all 3 levels, and can push in transition.

To just say that a player like that is better off in Boston or that we're better off without him is discounting the level he could push the team to paired with KD and Kyrie.

[DowNY]

Maybe Zion tells Pelicans he doesn't want to play with them. And maybe another player gets hyped at #2 like the Grizzlies did with Thabeet.

And Knicks get Zion.

Not likely. Zion’s fam just said they spoke with the Pelicans. Everything went well. Best we can hope is that RJ Barrett can be a player that helps Zion feel comfortable with the transition.

[newyorker4ever]

What's the wrong assumption i made? The one where i asked how many times he went to the right in that video and i said i think it was zero or saying he needs to work on going to his right? Both seem right to me so i'm curious what was the very wrong assumption????

You assume he needs to work on his right hand as if its a weakness. His off hand is very strong. Both driving and finishing.

So that's the "very wrong" assumption? Okay, but i disagree and think it proves that he needs to work on going to his right when he going to the basket in all of his videos.

[stuporman]

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss bigs

First of all Durant is a 7 footer

And AD is the new era big ideal. He’s effective to the 3, he’s great up tempo, he can score inside and he’s able to guard all positions

You don’t want to see him in Celtics green just like we don’t want to see kawhi stay in Toronto

However if phily maintains, celts get ad, Toronto keeps kawhi and we add kd then the Atlantic is the top division by far. For whatever it’s worth. Which isn’t much since we play each other so much

I didn't dismiss bigs, I simply said they don't lead teams to titles in the modern NBA and they don't. A team needs to have elite perimeter players otherwise their bigs no matter how good they are are less effective with their production towards winning and will languish on mediocre teams.

Jokic is the closest thing to a big man who can lead a team and that is because of his facilitating and shooting ability from the perimeter. AD isn't that type of big man, he needs those guys on the outside to facilitate even though he's a prototypical modern big who is one of the best with his skill set.

Wait.... are you really trying to use Durant's height to suggest he's a big man? Oh...NLR

Jokic shrunk a lot of games during these playoffs.
I’m taking Embiid & AD over him. AD even shoots it better imo.

Actually, it was the perimeter guys on the Nugs that couldn't keep up with the Blazers guards so it wasn't really on Jokic. Maybe next season MPJr will return and add to their perimeter production along with Murray.

Again, as amazing as Embiid and AD are in being the dynamic modern bigs if there isn't at least one elite perimeter player or even two around them it won't deliver a title.

[stuporman]

AD is the prototype for the modern big man. I don't know why you think he wouldn't be a major impact player.

I don't know why you think I said he wouldn't be a major impact player since I actually called him elite but the fact is big men don't lead teams to titles anymore in the modern NBA, the game is played more from the perimeter now.

As amazing as AD is has he can't even get his team to the playoffs more than he misses them. Yea, sure, it's the west but the results speak for themselves.

He wouldn't be leading us though. He'd be a part of a 3 headed monster. He would be as perfect of a big to slot into that big three since he's switchy on defense, can score on all 3 levels, and can push in transition.

To just say that a player like that is better off in Boston or that we're better off without him is discounting the level he could push the team to paired with KD and Kyrie.

Um.... quote where I said this. Dude, are you trolling me?

[awy]

it’s ad for rj lmao whats there to hesitate about. just hope boston doesnt make a move.


only unfortunate thing is saddling zion with rj again yikes. but its either that or franchise disaster for the knicks so sorry zion.

[GONYK]

I don't know why you think I said he wouldn't be a major impact player since I actually called him elite but the fact is big men don't lead teams to titles anymore in the modern NBA, the game is played more from the perimeter now.

As amazing as AD is has he can't even get his team to the playoffs more than he misses them. Yea, sure, it's the west but the results speak for themselves.

He wouldn't be leading us though. He'd be a part of a 3 headed monster. He would be as perfect of a big to slot into that big three since he's switchy on defense, can score on all 3 levels, and can push in transition.

To just say that a player like that is better off in Boston or that we're better off without him is discounting the level he could push the team to paired with KD and Kyrie.

Um.... quote where I said this. Dude, are you trolling me?

I went back and read the post I responded to. I misread what your overall point was. My bad.

[newyorker4ever]

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Sheesh, this one he’s showing off his handle.

Anyone know how many times he went to the basket with the ball to the right side in that whole video clip? Pretty sure it was zero so that will be something NBA players and coaches will pick up on real quick so he definitely needs to put that at the top of his list of things he needs to work on if we draft him and keep him.

He used his right hand in driving, he went right, uses the right well in crossovers and even finished with his right hand multiple times in that video so the only thing that is zero here is your credibility. You lose, good day sir......

So just so you know you weren't supposed to watch this video like your avatar with your hands covering your eyes so please try again without your hands over your eyes smart guy. SMDH. FOH.....Gotta go....

When you uncover your eyes you should also very slowly read my post again where i very clearly asked how many times he finished to the right side of the basket....again read it slow......just because you obviously have reading problems to go with your other problems....

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[TheGreenArrow]

:lol: "They f*cked up the whole NBA. The whole entire NBA f*cked up!" -Jada

Joe is a real one, too.

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Man i felt this

[King of Canada]

I'm having a hard time dedicating any time at all to scouting picks this year because we're probably trading the pick, and I got #1 overall in BAF, so I don't even need to scout

[King of Canada]

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Steve Mills and Scott Perry are going to get a statue if they pull all of this off