The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[MagicBagley18]

even if kyrie is too re-sign expect the full dog and pony show of going on interviews IMO. he craves that attention regardless of what he says.

[tlee324]

It’ll be nice to watch and support players who want to truly win here again...

[Creole_Ce1tic]

Smart, today:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26709567/smart-blaming-kyrie-celtics-fall-bs

""Bulls---. That's bulls---," Smart said when asked Thursday if Irving's leadership skills were behind the Celtics' lack of chemistry. "Not one of us on this team knows what Kyrie has been through. Probably a few amount of people in this world know what Kyrie goes through. It was hard for him as well.

"He was forced into a situation where it was business over the friendships. He had to come into a situation knowing this is a group of guys that had something going before [he came] here. 'How will I fit in?' He didn't want to disrupt that. That says a lot. This is Kyrie Irving we're talking about it, and he's worried about coming in and disrupting us. We took him in with full arms. We tried to understand. But like I said, we never really understood because we're not in his shoes. That's just a bulls--- statement to say his leadership skills killed us."

Red quote: when I think of people who have been through stuff, I think of guys like Marcus -- not Kyrie. Unless we're talking more serious depression than any of us know. Otherwise..? I'm at a loss. Any guesses?

Blue quote: certainly doesn't sound like he's talking about a current/future teammate.

This is interesting.

I don't know Kyrie personally and I can't provide a legitimate professional opinion on him for that matter (don't want to receive flack for providing an educated opinion), but I've too started to wonder about Kyrie's mental state over the last few months. Or at the very least, the stability of his personality. Do we KNOW what his baseline is? Does he have a baseline?

I honestly have no idea though. But between this, the evident lack of/search for an identity, the lack of emotional intelligence or inability to take responsibility for any issues, the mood swings, and the instability of his relationship with Boston, I've seen a very similar cluster of behaviors clinically before with a specific type of disordered personality.

Just my opinion.. I don't know his deal. Something seems off. Wish him the best

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You have just described the entire emotional Celtics Fanbase (including yourself). This is sad on so many levels.

[Creole_Ce1tic]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

Gordon Hayward wished the team would lose without him last season. Then came back this season fully knowing he wasn't ready. What color does he bleed?

[Jaqua92]

Smart, today:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26709567/smart-blaming-kyrie-celtics-fall-bs


Red quote: when I think of people who have been through stuff, I think of guys like Marcus -- not Kyrie. Unless we're talking more serious depression than any of us know. Otherwise..? I'm at a loss. Any guesses?

Blue quote: certainly doesn't sound like he's talking about a current/future teammate.

This is interesting.

I don't know Kyrie personally and I can't provide a legitimate professional opinion on him for that matter (don't want to receive flack for providing an educated opinion), but I've too started to wonder about Kyrie's mental state over the last few months. Or at the very least, the stability of his personality. Do we KNOW what his baseline is? Does he have a baseline?

I honestly have no idea though. But between this, the evident lack of/search for an identity, the lack of emotional intelligence or inability to take responsibility for any issues, the mood swings, and the instability of his relationship with Boston, I've seen a very similar cluster of behaviors clinically before with a specific type of disordered personality.

Just my opinion.. I don't know his deal. Something seems off. Wish him the best

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You have just described the entire emotional Celtics Fanbase (including yourself). This is sad on so many levels.

Nah

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[bobbutts]

Kyrie resigned against the Bucks, therefore I hope he doesn't re-sign with the Celtics.

[truth18]

This is interesting.

I don't know Kyrie personally and I can't provide a legitimate professional opinion on him for that matter (don't want to receive flack for providing an educated opinion), but I've too started to wonder about Kyrie's mental state over the last few months. Or at the very least, the stability of his personality. Do we KNOW what his baseline is? Does he have a baseline?

I honestly have no idea though. But between this, the evident lack of/search for an identity, the lack of emotional intelligence or inability to take responsibility for any issues, the mood swings, and the instability of his relationship with Boston, I've seen a very similar cluster of behaviors clinically before with a specific type of disordered personality.

Just my opinion.. I don't know his deal. Something seems off. Wish him the best

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You have just described the entire emotional Celtics Fanbase (including yourself). This is sad on so many levels.

Nah

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Lol, it's like you want to become the new Benzo Jeff meme. You've brought this stuff up how many times now? No one cares, that includes Kyrie haters, lovers and everyone in between.

[Parliament10]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

[Celts17Pride]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

Except I agree with him.

[Parliament10]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

[Celts17Pride]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

Kyrie Irving is a great "individual talent" not sure you can win with him without a "generational talent" like Lebron James. I'm not a fan of James Harden either so what do I know?

[Soulcatcher33]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

No, he isn't. There are 5-6 superstars in the league right now and he's not close to being one...unless of course you and I have very different opinions of what makes a superstar.

[bucknersrevenge]

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

No, he isn't. There are 5-6 superstars in the league right now and he's not close to being one...unless of course you and I have very different opinions of what makes a superstar.

Is good leadership skills a prerequisite to being a superstar?

[soxfan2003]

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

No, he isn't. There are 5-6 superstars in the league right now and he's not close to being one...unless of course you and I have very different opinions of what makes a superstar.

Thanks to the rule changes favoring guards, on offense Kyrie when he is at the top of his game, can perform pretty close to a superstar level. IMHO his defense does knock him 2 levels below lower tier superstar. I still have Irving as waaaaaay better than IT for playoff basketball but it is fair to say that he has always been a bad to mediocre defender. And like it or not, defense is half the game.

Right now, I would put Giannis, Curry, playoff Leonard, Lebron, KD, Harden, AD, Jokic, Embiid all in the superstar category. If he has one more year fairly close to this regular season and has a very good playoffs, I would place Paul George there as well.

I see Irving as 2 levels down from a lower tier superstar. That is no disrespect to Irving but Boston beats Milwaukee IMHO with Embiid or Jokic playing 35 MPG and Rozier just playing adequately for a backup PG. Embiid and Jokic have different strengths but with the way they played, they get Boston by Milwaukee. Some of that is making a weakness a strength but a lot of that is just Embiid/Jokic both being excellent players right now.

If Irving was considered a superstar league wide, given his championship pedigree and popularity, he would have fetched more than an exposed and injured IT that I didn't want the Celtics to bring back at any salary, a very good contract in Crowder and a Nets pick that should be lottery for sure but isn't guaranteed at all to be top 5. And a big that people were not expecting much out of. GM's also probably knew that Crowder as a defender appeared to be declining against the elite competition at least. This was Irving's value with 2 relatively cheap years left on his country but with some injury concerns but not huge ones in the short term.

All this being said, if you notice Kyrie has never really billed himself as a 2-way superstar. He has said that he is a great shooter/scorer which is true... He wanted the challenge to lead a team.

If Ainge thought Horford, Irving, Hayward or even Tatum were superstars right now, he did that player an incredible disservice by not attempting to balance out the roster and go for it all this year. I suspect he didn't go for it all by trading picks not just because he was saving them up for AD but because he realized the team didn't have a superstar. Tatum/Brown didn't take much of a jump over the summer. Hayward came back struggling. Irving came back well but was still Kyrie Irving, a darn good player, but not truly a Steph Curry lite.

Milwaukee tried to get better but they have the league MVP in Giannis.
Toronto went for it as much as they could but they have a former Finals MVP, a player who was beating the Warriors by himself in game 1 2 years ago before he got hurt. Leonard obvious superstar when he is healthy.
Philly -- they went for it and I think its fair to say Embiid was on the verge of being a superstar but he has probably crossed it. This doesn't mean inferior players can't get the best of him(Al Horford) but it does mean Embiiid on average does have much more impact than Horford on average.

I am probably not perfectly right on my list since I am human and I don't watch as much of the NBA as I once did but no disrespect to any of the Celtics.... I don't think leaving any of them off was a close call.

[DaTruth34]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

Stop this nonsense superstar thing... Irving is a Lou Williams lucky to have played with Lebron.

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[Jaqua92]

You have just described the entire emotional Celtics Fanbase (including yourself). This is sad on so many levels.

Nah

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Lol, it's like you want to become the new Benzo Jeff meme. You've brought this stuff up how many times now? No one cares, that includes Kyrie haters, lovers and everyone in between.

Seems you always on these when I make posts like this lately. Lay off. I make them and think out loud, not because I want people to care or engage. I don't care if no cares or responds, it makes no difference. I'm sorry if you find it disruptive, or flat bothersome but it's not my problem

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[Edug27]

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

No, he isn't. There are 5-6 superstars in the league right now and he's not close to being one...unless of course you and I have very different opinions of what makes a superstar.

Would you mind naming those 6?

[DaTruth34]

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

No, he isn't. There are 5-6 superstars in the league right now and he's not close to being one...unless of course you and I have very different opinions of what makes a superstar.

Would you mind naming those 6?

LeBron, KD, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, Davis, Harden.
Irving is not in the same category. He Is not even close

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[FlatearthZorro]

Kyrie resigned against the Bucks, therefore I hope he doesn't re-sign with the Celtics.

2nd time I'm writing this, but the guy made no adjustments and mentally checked out. It was the most embarrassing performance by a supposed Celtics "superstar" I've watched in 15 years as C's fan.

With that being said I doubt Danny wants him to go for nothing. Irving is still fairly young and Danny could re-sign and then trade him if the team is slumping again and he'd probably get what he gave up for him. So as much as I wouldn't mind him walking away, I'd much rather have Danny trade him or build a championship team around him. Although he's so weird that I dunno how you'd build a championship team around him unless he grows up and QUICK.

[FlatearthZorro]

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Is he trippin'?
Perk definitely don't need to come here.

Except I agree with him.

You think so? I mean granted Kyrie is a bit off-kilter.
But, he's a Superstar.: He often plays better than any other 2 players.

I mean, to me it's hard to call Irving a superstar after watching him this year. He's a fantastic scorer, but struggled to adjust against the Bucks big time. He also completely seemed to quit on the team and did the exact same **** for 4 games. His body language after games 3-4-5 was AWFUL. He didn't take any responsibility and clearly showed that isn't meant to be a leader unless something about him changes dramatically. This was the poorest performance of any Celtics "star" I've seen so far in my time as a C's fan. I go back to Pierce way too often, but Paul was a warrior with never quit mentality and for the time I watched him never quit, never stopped fighting, always adjusted and was for the most part always a positive for his team. Imo, Irving is not even CLOSE to a guy like Pierce as of right now and he's super highly regarded in the league which boggles my mind. The **** Irving said after game 5 was straight up garbage.

edit: To support my statement when we exclude Kyrie's god awful performance on offense, we gave up 30 more points per 100 pos with him on the court, and he jogged up and down the court for 4 games, leaving the defense in 3v4, 4v5 mismatches, which led to easy Bucks baskets.