The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[amory87]

"he still bleeds green!"

[SichtingLives]

I can't see why Kyrie would come back after how everything went down, especially since he doesn't have to. It can only get worse for him with more pressure going forward in this town, all that disappointment from this season will linger and be whispered in his ear every time it gets cloudy. Dude doesn't do well with that **** and it's not really going to change anywhere else but at least he can start fresh and learn from his behavior and live in grass is greener mode for the time being.

It's crazy how Danny mis-read his character. He never does that. Maybe Kyrie conned him into believing in him, I don't know...he's insanely confident so I could see it. But we should dispel the idea that what happened to Kyrie in the playoffs was a revelation (only so much that we all thought he had another level) because he went through a share of similar meltdowns throughout the season. Whatever. If it made sense I'd still roll with the dude, I just can't see it. On to the next big thing while we're still in a position to do so.

[zoyathedestroya]

Still, some NBA insiders think Irving will be back in Boston next season.

“He’s playing all of you guys right now,” a Western Conference front office executive told NBC Sports Boston reporter A. Sherrod Blakely. “Say what you want about his leadership and all that nonsense, but the one thing we know about Kyrie is he will do what is best for Kyrie. The money, chance to win a title sooner rather than later, have his own team … all that stuff matters and when he looks at all the different options he’ll have, I think he’ll have one of those, ‘what the hell was I thinking?’ moments and go back to Boston.”

And one NBA scout told Blakely that, “I think he comes back and he comes back with an attitude; a little edgier with not just his words but his play.”

Source: https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/05/17/kyrie-irving-free-agent-rumors-celtics-return

[K For Three]

Still, some NBA insiders think Irving will be back in Boston next season.

“He’s playing all of you guys right now,” a Western Conference front office executive told NBC Sports Boston reporter A. Sherrod Blakely. “Say what you want about his leadership and all that nonsense, but the one thing we know about Kyrie is he will do what is best for Kyrie. The money, chance to win a title sooner rather than later, have his own team … all that stuff matters and when he looks at all the different options he’ll have, I think he’ll have one of those, ‘what the hell was I thinking?’ moments and go back to Boston.”

And one NBA scout told Blakely that, “I think he comes back and he comes back with an attitude; a little edgier with not just his words but his play.”

Source: https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/05/17/kyrie-irving-free-agent-rumors-celtics-return

Of course that contradicts this one:

https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-anonymous-gm-says-kyrie-irving-is-different-kind-of-guy-doesnt-care-about-losing-money-if-he-leaves-boston/

“If you think the money he’s going to leave on the table by going somewhere else besides Boston is going to be an issue, you don’t know Kyrie,” one Eastern Conference General Manager told A. Sherrod Blakely of NBC Sports Boston. “He’s a different kind of guy; and a lot of the stuff that you would think would be an issue for him, he could care less about.”

*shrugs*

[zoyathedestroya]

Still, some NBA insiders think Irving will be back in Boston next season.

“He’s playing all of you guys right now,” a Western Conference front office executive told NBC Sports Boston reporter A. Sherrod Blakely. “Say what you want about his leadership and all that nonsense, but the one thing we know about Kyrie is he will do what is best for Kyrie. The money, chance to win a title sooner rather than later, have his own team … all that stuff matters and when he looks at all the different options he’ll have, I think he’ll have one of those, ‘what the hell was I thinking?’ moments and go back to Boston.”

And one NBA scout told Blakely that, “I think he comes back and he comes back with an attitude; a little edgier with not just his words but his play.”

Source: https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/05/17/kyrie-irving-free-agent-rumors-celtics-return

Of course that contradicts this one:

https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-anonymous-gm-says-kyrie-irving-is-different-kind-of-guy-doesnt-care-about-losing-money-if-he-leaves-boston/

“If you think the money he’s going to leave on the table by going somewhere else besides Boston is going to be an issue, you don’t know Kyrie,” one Eastern Conference General Manager told A. Sherrod Blakely of NBC Sports Boston. “He’s a different kind of guy; and a lot of the stuff that you would think would be an issue for him, he could care less about.”

*shrugs*

Just posted Bulpett's latest article on Kyrie. It just repeats what we already know -- no one knows what Kyrie is thinking and what he's gonna ultimately do. Similar sentiments were echoed by Zach Lowe and Kevin Arnovitz in the recent Lowe Post. When asked about Kyrie's situation, people around the league just aren't sure at the moment. People pretending to have a clue what he might do is just that -- pretending.

[K For Three]

Putting the Bulpett article here too.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/05/18/celtics-still-want-to-be-the-ones-to-pay-kyrie-irving-but-possibilities-abound/

For those who don't delete their cookies to see it here it is in the spoiler. Pretty interesting stuff.

Spoiler:

CHICAGO — Kyrie Irving is going to get paid. He’s going to get a max contract from someone, and the Celtics would still like to be the team that signs those checks. Let’s put that right up front.

But, man, is it getting strange out here on the Kyrie beat.

Wading through the talk from NBA sources all through the season on Irving’s future (and even his present) has been a regular task, and the cacophony has gotten only louder here at the league’s annual draft combine.

The most interesting bit of information from several sources that we’ve been able to consolidate and confirm is that some teams thought to have interest in Irving as a free agent are now a great deal more wary. Based on the way things played out with the Celtics this season and Irving’s role both off the court all year and on it in the playoff loss to Milwaukee, certain clubs are concerned about putting too many eggs in his basket right away.

Two teams for certain are telling people they will only go after him if they land another marquee free agent and that player says he wants Irving. In each of these cases, the initial target is different. (There was worry on one of those clubs that the basketball ops people might be overruled by ownership and told to make Irving a primary aim, but that organization is now on the same page.)

What’s interesting to some is even that Irving is so potentially available this summer. When teams were trying to get into the race for him two years ago, they were informed by his side that he would definitely not re-sign with them.

“We were told that the team he wanted to go to was getting ready to trade for him,” said one general manager. “And that team was Boston. So the Celtics were where he wanted to go. He got what he wanted. Now here we are two years later. Crazy.”

And where we’ve been all season has been fairly wild, too, as regards Irving rumors. A good part of the year was spent trying to follow through on tips regarding his future, but that proved essentially impossible because, a.) no one on an imposing team was going to be able to truly confirm something without fear of getting into serious trouble, and, more importantly, b.) no one could be sure of what Kyrie would want when the season was over.

As we’ve noted here several times, even his pronouncement last October that he planned to be back wasn’t taken by the club as a binding pledge. The belief was always that his final call would be based on how the Celts’ year went. And even on this there is now uncertainty about the forecast around the club.

Will Kyrie take the disappointing end to heart and want to return to lead the repair of what was broken this season? Will he want to finish the job he so boldly started?

Or will he leave a task in progress to look for an allegedly greener pasture as he did when he asked out of Cleveland two years ago, this time before he gets the championship he did with the Cavaliers?

Danny Ainge has quite understandably taken a break and not spoken to the media since suffering a mild heart attack in Milwaukee April 30, but the last time he did chat he said he’d been having conversations all year with Irving and that he felt encouraged by those discussions.

Meanwhile, the chorus here at the draft combine continues to sing about Irving’s departure from the Celtics, though when some of the more involved sources are pressed on the matter, they refuse to bet their domiciles on the outcome.

The Celtics do continue to hold out hope that Irving will clear his head, realize the possibilities in Boston with a reworked roster that may even have Anthony Davis and choose to stay and fulfill the line from the Nike commercial about getting his number retired there — a line that, by the way, he wrote himself. It would be an epic journey of realization for a guy who considers himself a deep thinker.

But there is room to wonder whether Irving will ever be truly happy. Some who have been with him at other stops have told the Herald this is an ongoing concern, that it’s hard to know how he will be from day to day. And while his Celtic teammates generally had good relationships with him, there was acknowledgement that traversing his emotional spectrum — for example as he went from benevolent leader at the end of the regular season and through the Indiana series and Game 1 against the Bucks to the way his disappointment manifested itself in the four losses that followed — was an issue.

As Terry Rozier told NBC Sports Boston during the year, “Ky’s our leader and when he’s in a great mood and he’s feeling good, we’re hard to beat and it’s contagious. It rubs off on everybody else. Sometimes when he’s not like that, it can get everybody uptight.”

And the way things went for the Celtics has caused some of Irving’s expected pursuers to, if not get uptight, then to at least pause for a moment. The talk has been fast and often borderline furious. One Knick source said three months ago that people above him in the organization were convinced the club was getting both Irving and Kevin Durant. A prominent agent shook his head at that and said the ongoing dilemma was that Kyrie wanted Brooklyn and Durant wanted the Knicks. Another league source said the Irving/Brooklyn talk was just a smokescreen. But a Warrior source said he knew for sure that Irving had spoken to Durant about the possibility of teaming up.

And while that last line may seem explosive, it could also be simply a case where star players sit and chat about what-ifs. Or it could be more. No one really knows, and even some of the people who know more than others are unsure of what Irving and even Durant will ultimately decide.

The Celtics remain hopeful.

“We’ll have more conversations with him and his representatives in the coming weeks,” assistant general manager Mike Zarren said Friday as the NBA combine wound through its last hours. “We had a quick exit interview with everyone on the team, and the day after you lose a tough playoff series is not the time to have those conversations. There’s always one goal in Boston, and it’s banner 18 and that’s what we’re after, and it’s going to be a very busy summer. But we haven’t had any of those conversations with him or his people yet. I know he went on vacation, and as he comes back and we talk with him, we’ll see where things go.”

Here with NBA people at the combine facility and Chicago’s fine restaurants, the uncertainty has only been getting louder

Most interesting points to me.

We were his first choice?

What’s interesting to some is even that Irving is so potentially available this summer. When teams were trying to get into the race for him two years ago, they were informed by his side that he would definitely not re-sign with them.

“We were told that the team he wanted to go to was getting ready to trade for him,” said one general manager. “And that team was Boston. So the Celtics were where he wanted to go. He got what he wanted. Now here we are two years later. Crazy.”

He has spoken to KD about teaming up.

And the way things went for the Celtics has caused some of Irving’s expected pursuers to, if not get uptight, then to at least pause for a moment. The talk has been fast and often borderline furious. One Knick source said three months ago that people above him in the organization were convinced the club was getting both Irving and Kevin Durant. A prominent agent shook his head at that and said the ongoing dilemma was that Kyrie wanted Brooklyn and Durant wanted the Knicks. Another league source said the Irving/Brooklyn talk was just a smokescreen. But a Warrior source said he knew for sure that Irving had spoken to Durant about the possibility of teaming up.

And basically what SAS kinda said days ago about a few teams being weary and only wanting Kyrie if he is paired with someone else is true. And how the Lakers would really be the only new team he may sign with if he went alone and SAS doesn't think Kyrie wants to go there.

And......yes Boston wants him back with a changed up roster.

And nobody knows what is going to happen exactly.

[Worst_to_First]

I see a big 3 of Kyrie, KD and AD in Boston.

The key would be shedding Hayward’s contract which I think is doable.

[TheMartian]

Although I was very disappointed with how the season ended for Kyrie and the Celtics, count me in as someone who wants the Kyrie and Celtics marriage to work.

[GoCeltics123]

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The most interesting bit of information from several sources that we’ve been able to consolidate and confirm is that some teams thought to have interest in Irving as a free agent are now a great deal more wary. Based on the way things played out with the Celtics this season and Irving’s role both off the court all year and on it in the playoff loss to Milwaukee, certain clubs are concerned about putting too many eggs in his basket right away.

Two teams for certain are telling people they will only go after him if they land another marquee free agent and that player says he wants Irving. In each of these cases, the initial target is different. (There was worry on one of those clubs that the basketball ops people might be overruled by ownership and told to make Irving a primary aim, but that organization is now on the same page.)

[b]“We were told that the team he wanted to go to was getting ready to trade for him,” said one general manager. “And that team was Boston. So the Celtics were where he wanted to go. He got what he wanted. Now here we are two years later. Crazy.

Meanwhile, the chorus here at the draft combine continues to sing about Irving’s departure from the Celtics, though when some of the more involved sources are pressed on the matter, they refuse to bet their domiciles on the outcome.

The Celtics do continue to hold out hope that Irving will clear his head, realize the possibilities in Boston with a reworked roster that may even have Anthony Davis and choose to stay and fulfill the line from the Nike commercial about getting his number retired there — a line that, by the way, he wrote himself. It would be an epic journey of realization for a guy who considers himself a deep thinker.

But there is room to wonder whether Irving will ever be truly happy. Some who have been with him at other stops have told the Herald this is an ongoing concern, that it’s hard to know how he will be from day to day. And while his Celtic teammates generally had good relationships with him, there was acknowledgement that traversing his emotional spectrum — for example as he went from benevolent leader at the end of the regular season and through the Indiana series and Game 1 against the Bucks to the way his disappointment manifested itself in the four losses that followed — was an issue.”

One Knick source said three months ago that people above him in the organization were convinced the club was getting both Irving and Kevin Durant. A prominent agent shook his head at that and said the ongoing dilemma was that Kyrie wanted Brooklyn and Durant wanted the Knicks. Another league source said the Irving/Brooklyn talk was just a smokescreen. But a Warrior source said he knew for sure that Irving had spoken to Durant about the possibility of teaming up.

[wco81]

If other teams are balking at maxing him out, should the Celtics be?

He had a real poor playoffs after playing well in his playoffs campaigns with the Cavs.

So this playoffs campaign is a statistical outlier. But could it also be reflective of playing with this roster vs. playing with one of the all time greatest playoffs performers?


If they re-sign him but are unable to get AD, would the results be different next season or the following seasons while Kyrie is earning max money?

The top EC teams may all change, losing key players. So this Celtics team may do better simply by virtue of the other top EC teams getting worse than they were this season.

[Parliament10]

How much does Kyrie lose per year, if he Max's somewhere else?
Celtics hold his Bird Rights.

[Fencer reregistered]

A note on that Brooklyn Nets claim -- Kyrie supposedly is interested in the Knicks in part because he grew up in the area. Well, to the extent that's true, he grew up in New Jersey.

[wco81]

How much does Kyrie lose per year, if he Max's somewhere else?
Celtics hold his Bird Rights.

Isn't it something like 4-years $145 million with another team vs. 5-years $190 million with the Celtics.

So one additional year at $45 million is the difference or $9 million a year.

But the contracts are so generous and these players already have huge shoe deals that they will walk away from the highest contract they can sign, ike KD did, CP3 to an extent, Kawhi and AD saying he won't sign a $240 million deal to stay in NO.

[fallguy]

I'm down on Kyrie for a lot of reasons (mostly because I just don't think he's nearly as high up the hierarchy of NBA players as a lot of others around here do) but if we can bring him back long enough to lock up AD to a long term deal next summer, I'm still fully onboard. Then we can trade him if something goes sideways.

[klemen4]

So it looks the 2 teams interesting for Kyrie as 2nd star are:

- NY if Durant signs and want Kyrie as "robin"
- NETS if Butler signs and want Kyrie as 2nd star

[Jaqua92]

Anything new?

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[Curmudgeon]

Lot's of rumors out there that the market for Kyrie is drying up. Teams were scared off by his playoff performance. Maybe they are interested if he can drag in another star, but not if he can't. LOL, Ainge is probably the only GM dumb enough to pay him.

[Celts17Pride]

I found it interesting in the 98.5 Wyc Grousbeck interview when Felger asked Wyc if the Celtics wanted Kyrie Irving back there was a long, long pause and then he dodged the question.

That’s telling right there in my opinion. Pretty simple to say YES to that softball question if that’s what he felt.

[reload141]

I found it interesting in the 98.5 Wyc Grousbeck interview when Felger asked Wyc if the Celtics wanted Kyrie Irving back there was a long, long pause and then he dodged the question.

That’s telling right there in my opinion. Pretty simple to say YES to that softball question if that’s what he felt.

Yep. Totally this.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I found it interesting in the 98.5 Wyc Grousbeck interview when Felger asked Wyc if the Celtics wanted Kyrie Irving back there was a long, long pause and then he dodged the question.

That’s telling right there in my opinion. Pretty simple to say YES to that softball question if that’s what he felt.

I finished that interview thinking that Kyrie is a real pain in the ass behind the scenes, like in every regard