BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 80

[King of Canada]

i wouldnt say it would have to be locked in, as the current GM would have the opportunity to bid on him during free agency. This would just make sure that the player gets top dollar whether it be $300 or more/less. A GM could always gamble and not sign the player to an extension thinking they could re-sign them for less in the off-season by monitoring what other teams have for cap-space. fyi i like to gamble..

That seems like nonsense

Basically Smash3 and hoffa already plotting on stealing from your Big 4

They are pretending to advocate for a breakout young player's best interest when the reality is they hope to benefit from a GM not being able to afford to keep all it's young affordable talent.

[Smash3]

Spoiler:

Couple issues that I can foresee with this, and maybe I’m not reading your proposal correctly so let me know if I have it wrong.

First, making extensions 30-35% of the cap will basically eliminate extensions IMO. Not one team in the league can offer an extension this year because no one has $300-$350 in cap space (I believe this is true, I’m at work and didn’t go through every team). So basically, if you draft well, draft an all star, you would need to gut a big portion of your team in order to sign your drafted all star to an extension. IMO, this model won’t work like it does in the NBA because we have a hard cap that teams can’t go over to resign or extend their own player.

Second issue, and this is where I was confused. I don’t want players salaries changing year to year. It sounds like you want an extension to automatically kick in if a player reaches a certain level? Or have a player become a free agent if he reaches a new level during his contract and the team can’t afford the cost of the new deal? I think this is pretty much a logistical nightmare for me to try and keep track of which players are due raises and which extensions no longer are in effect due to all star selections etc. But maybe I’m reading your proposal wrong?

I can see how that was unclear, what I am suggesting isn't going away from your extension model, but just adding a clause of automatic salary raise to the extension contracts being signed if they make the all-star team during their rookie contracts. The automatic salary raise would take effect during the extension years. Using your example of Bagley:



Let's say Magic gives Bags a three year extension, he'll be getting paid $113 the next six years unless he makes the all-star game during his rookie contract.

Example 1:

Bags becomes an all-star in his final year of his rookie contract 2022, Magic then have until the next free agency period (2023) to clear enough cap to pay him $300 for the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 season. If Magic are unable to pay his automatic salary raise he becomes a free agent in 2023.

Example 2:

Bags never makes the all-star team or makes the all-star team in his extension years, he'll still be only getting paid $113 by the Magic.

Second issue: Having players salaries change won't be an issue for 99% of the players, in real life only KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, D'angelo Russell and Porzingis would be eligible to get paid $300 and $350 since they made an all-NBA or all-star team during their rookie contracts. This would make sure players who deserve to get paid get paid.

I understand where you are coming from but I think that this would be exceptionally hard for me to keep track of. You have six players who made an all-star team during their rookie contracts but I counted 32 active players who have done that and another 9 who made an all-star game in their fifth year. For the most part, these are the best of the best players in the league. You have to figure that trend will continue with players drafted in our college drafts too. Basically on average 2-3 players each draft will make an all star team during their rookie contract. I don't know if it's fair to make a team pay for those players twice (once with the original extension and then again because of the all star bonus). I think that if a team has the vision to draft a player and then the foresight and cap room necessary to lock him up to an extension, they should not be punished by having to gut their roster in order to keep this player just because he became an all star.

Thoughts?

I can see it being hard to keep track of maybe another GM can track that so you get a list after every season? When it comes to fairness I think the game will become unbalanced if you have young superstars getting paid $113 for seven years while everyone else is paying top dollar for that kind of talent in FA. If you have three or four of those perennial all-stars and you're paying less than $400 a year for all of them that's pretty unbeatable.

Just an idea to balance the game, but if people are cool with paying Giannis type players $113 for seven years in a couple years it is what it is.

[King of Canada]

Spoiler:

I can see how that was unclear, what I am suggesting isn't going away from your extension model, but just adding a clause of automatic salary raise to the extension contracts being signed if they make the all-star team during their rookie contracts. The automatic salary raise would take effect during the extension years. Using your example of Bagley:



Let's say Magic gives Bags a three year extension, he'll be getting paid $113 the next six years unless he makes the all-star game during his rookie contract.

Example 1:

Bags becomes an all-star in his final year of his rookie contract 2022, Magic then have until the next free agency period (2023) to clear enough cap to pay him $300 for the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 season. If Magic are unable to pay his automatic salary raise he becomes a free agent in 2023.

Example 2:

Bags never makes the all-star team or makes the all-star team in his extension years, he'll still be only getting paid $113 by the Magic.

Second issue: Having players salaries change won't be an issue for 99% of the players, in real life only KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, D'angelo Russell and Porzingis would be eligible to get paid $300 and $350 since they made an all-NBA or all-star team during their rookie contracts. This would make sure players who deserve to get paid get paid.

I understand where you are coming from but I think that this would be exceptionally hard for me to keep track of. You have six players who made an all-star team during their rookie contracts but I counted 32 active players who have done that and another 9 who made an all-star game in their fifth year. For the most part, these are the best of the best players in the league. You have to figure that trend will continue with players drafted in our college drafts too. Basically on average 2-3 players each draft will make an all star team during their rookie contract. I don't know if it's fair to make a team pay for those players twice (once with the original extension and then again because of the all star bonus). I think that if a team has the vision to draft a player and then the foresight and cap room necessary to lock him up to an extension, they should not be punished by having to gut their roster in order to keep this player just because he became an all star.

Thoughts?

I can see it being hard to keep track of maybe another GM can track that so you get a list after every season? When it comes to fairness I think the game will become unbalanced if you have young superstars getting paid $113 for seven years while everyone else is paying top dollar for that kind of talent in FA. If you have three or four of those perennial all-stars and you're paying less than $400 a year for all of them that's pretty unbeatable.

Just an idea to balance the game, but if people are cool with paying Giannis type players $113 for seven years in a couple years it is what it is.

On the flip side though, the top teams that paid the top talent right now are winning because they paid the high prices and their strategy worked. As a result they either blew all of their picks in trades or only have later picks due to their success. If they now want to access that young top talent they'll need to make trades for high picks or keep their remaining picks and lose some games just like IRL. I like the strategy that some have of building slower and/or taking on bad contracts to receive multiple picks. To flip the whole thing on it's head now would screw over those that didn't try to win it all in years 1 and 2.

[Smash3]

Spoiler:

I understand where you are coming from but I think that this would be exceptionally hard for me to keep track of. You have six players who made an all-star team during their rookie contracts but I counted 32 active players who have done that and another 9 who made an all-star game in their fifth year. For the most part, these are the best of the best players in the league. You have to figure that trend will continue with players drafted in our college drafts too. Basically on average 2-3 players each draft will make an all star team during their rookie contract. I don't know if it's fair to make a team pay for those players twice (once with the original extension and then again because of the all star bonus). I think that if a team has the vision to draft a player and then the foresight and cap room necessary to lock him up to an extension, they should not be punished by having to gut their roster in order to keep this player just because he became an all star.

Thoughts?

I can see it being hard to keep track of maybe another GM can track that so you get a list after every season? When it comes to fairness I think the game will become unbalanced if you have young superstars getting paid $113 for seven years while everyone else is paying top dollar for that kind of talent in FA. If you have three or four of those perennial all-stars and you're paying less than $400 a year for all of them that's pretty unbeatable.

Just an idea to balance the game, but if people are cool with paying Giannis type players $113 for seven years in a couple years it is what it is.

On the flip side though, the top teams that paid the top talent right now are winning because they paid the high prices and their strategy worked. As a result they either blew all of their picks in trades or only have later picks due to their success. If they now want to access that young top talent they'll need to make trades for high picks or keep their remaining picks and lose some games just like IRL. I like the strategy that some have of building slower and/or taking on bad contracts to receive multiple picks. To flip the whole thing on it's head now would screw over those that didn't try to win it all in years 1 and 2.

How would it screw over those that didn't try to win it all in years 1 and 2? Y'all set up to dominate for five years and then y'all break up the team. Also extensions is just now being introduced into the game, you didn't even know you could keep them for another three years until this week so suggesting changes to it isn't flipping the game on its head.

[bishnykfan]

Spoiler:

I can see how that was unclear, what I am suggesting isn't going away from your extension model, but just adding a clause of automatic salary raise to the extension contracts being signed if they make the all-star team during their rookie contracts. The automatic salary raise would take effect during the extension years. Using your example of Bagley:



Let's say Magic gives Bags a three year extension, he'll be getting paid $113 the next six years unless he makes the all-star game during his rookie contract.

Example 1:

Bags becomes an all-star in his final year of his rookie contract 2022, Magic then have until the next free agency period (2023) to clear enough cap to pay him $300 for the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 season. If Magic are unable to pay his automatic salary raise he becomes a free agent in 2023.

Example 2:

Bags never makes the all-star team or makes the all-star team in his extension years, he'll still be only getting paid $113 by the Magic.

Second issue: Having players salaries change won't be an issue for 99% of the players, in real life only KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, D'angelo Russell and Porzingis would be eligible to get paid $300 and $350 since they made an all-NBA or all-star team during their rookie contracts. This would make sure players who deserve to get paid get paid.

I understand where you are coming from but I think that this would be exceptionally hard for me to keep track of. You have six players who made an all-star team during their rookie contracts but I counted 32 active players who have done that and another 9 who made an all-star game in their fifth year. For the most part, these are the best of the best players in the league. You have to figure that trend will continue with players drafted in our college drafts too. Basically on average 2-3 players each draft will make an all star team during their rookie contract. I don't know if it's fair to make a team pay for those players twice (once with the original extension and then again because of the all star bonus). I think that if a team has the vision to draft a player and then the foresight and cap room necessary to lock him up to an extension, they should not be punished by having to gut their roster in order to keep this player just because he became an all star.

Thoughts?

I can see it being hard to keep track of maybe another GM can track that so you get a list after every season? When it comes to fairness I think the game will become unbalanced if you have young superstars getting paid $113 for seven years while everyone else is paying top dollar for that kind of talent in FA. If you have three or four of those perennial all-stars and you're paying less than $400 a year for all of them that's pretty unbeatable.

Just an idea to balance the game, but if people are cool with paying Giannis type players $113 for seven years in a couple years it is what it is.

I do get what you’re saying but I think you’re looking at it from an actual NBA type of salary structure. Considering IRL you can go well over the cap to resign or extend your own players, what is the difference between what you said could happen and what the 76ers could have done IRL? If they hit on Noel, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz etc they could have conceivably kept them all too. We have a hard cap in place where generally rookies take a year to really show up and perform.

And it still takes a team to scout and draft exceptionally well and then manage their cap expertly to end up in the situation you brought up. I still don’t believe that teams will be able to offer max extensions to everyone, especially early on.

I’m going to leave it open though until the draft for more discussion. We will vote on whatever majority wants at draft time.

[bishnykfan]

I can see it being hard to keep track of maybe another GM can track that so you get a list after every season? When it comes to fairness I think the game will become unbalanced if you have young superstars getting paid $113 for seven years while everyone else is paying top dollar for that kind of talent in FA. If you have three or four of those perennial all-stars and you're paying less than $400 a year for all of them that's pretty unbeatable.

Just an idea to balance the game, but if people are cool with paying Giannis type players $113 for seven years in a couple years it is what it is.

On the flip side though, the top teams that paid the top talent right now are winning because they paid the high prices and their strategy worked. As a result they either blew all of their picks in trades or only have later picks due to their success. If they now want to access that young top talent they'll need to make trades for high picks or keep their remaining picks and lose some games just like IRL. I like the strategy that some have of building slower and/or taking on bad contracts to receive multiple picks. To flip the whole thing on it's head now would screw over those that didn't try to win it all in years 1 and 2.

How would it screw over those that didn't try to win it all in years 1 and 2? Y'all set up to dominate for five years and then y'all break up the team. Also extensions is just now being introduced into the game, you didn't even know you could keep them for another three years until this week so suggesting changes to it isn't flipping the game on its head.

I do agree with what you are saying in theory. From what I heard for the past year though is that teams that are bad wouldn’t be able to keep their draft picks beyond their initial rookie contracts (which basically gives them three years of production).

In a hard cap world, how can a team do what the 76ers could have done? Or maybe a better scenario, the Thunder? Now, if a team drafts Durant, Harden and Westbrook in consecutive drafts, they are almost guaranteed to lose two of the three players after their rookie deals because of the hard cap. This proposal just gives them the opportunity to delay UFA a bit for the very top players if they are smart about the way they manage their cap space. I think it would be a good thing to reward good scouting, drafting and cap management?

And honestly, I don’t see it being used a ton before teams realize that those extra dollars will add up.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Teams should def be awarded for drafting well, and it will make draft picks more valuable which I think is good. I like the premise.

[Mecca]

1 win away from the NBA Finals. TREYVERSON SZN. He was worth his weight in gold in these playoffs.

[El Poochio]

DOES THAT MEAN SIAKAM INELIGIBLE FOR EXTENSION????

[El Poochio]

I am also thinking we should have like 3 seasons in span of 1, maybe sprinkle some BAT, All Time BAT in there

Why the need for 80 games and all the grinding, just shorten it, seems like a more optimized way and better use of time, maybe a NCAA type tourny with the saved time on top of shortened season

[HEZI]

Lets talk trades

Anybody looking to make moves hit me up

[wackbone]

It's always the start of the offseason when you start thinking over your team and what potential moves you could make...

[wackbone]

I am also thinking we should have like 3 seasons in span of 1, maybe sprinkle some BAT, All Time BAT in there

Why the need for 80 games and all the grinding, just shorten it, seems like a more optimized way and better use of time, maybe a NCAA type tourny with the saved time on top of shortened season

Hmmmmm

[King of Canada]

I am also thinking we should have like 3 seasons in span of 1, maybe sprinkle some BAT, All Time BAT in there

Why the need for 80 games and all the grinding, just shorten it, seems like a more optimized way and better use of time, maybe a NCAA type tourny with the saved time on top of shortened season

Hmmmmm

Here's a shot of Pooch on a lazy day

[wackbone]

I am also thinking we should have like 3 seasons in span of 1, maybe sprinkle some BAT, All Time BAT in there

Why the need for 80 games and all the grinding, just shorten it, seems like a more optimized way and better use of time, maybe a NCAA type tourny with the saved time on top of shortened season

Hmmmmm

Here's a shot of Pooch on a lazy day

I’m just quoting him so he looks at his PMs haha

[NewEra]

When can we start trading?

[King of Canada]

Hmmmmm

Here's a shot of Pooch on a lazy day

I’m just quoting him so he looks at his PMs haha

I’m waiting for him to propose that we have a season each day

[bishnykfan]

ANNOUNCEMENT


All 2018 second round draft picks need to have their third year options picked up by Saturday June 8th at noon. The following teams have players that have this option year available to them if they choose. Let me know via PM if you want to pick up the third year. No response will be viewed as a declination of the players third year option.

Atlanta- Landry Shamet - OPTION PICKED UP $9
Boston- Billy Preston - OPTION DECLINED $5
Brooklyn- Mo Wagner
Cleveland- Grayson Allen
Cleveland- Malik Newman
Dallas- Rodions Kurucs - OPTION PICKED UP $2
Denver- Chimeze Metu
Denver- Devonte Graham
Denver- Kelan Martin
Detroit- Gary Trent Jr. - OPTION PICKED UP $5
Houston- Jerome Robinson - OPTION PICKED UP $11
Indiana- Jacob Evans - OPTION PICKED UP $10
Indiana- Josh Okogie - OPTION PICKED UP $9
Indiana- Justin Jackson - OPTION DECLINED $8
LA Clippers- Rawle Alkins - OPTION DEFERRED (E.L.)
LA Lakers- Shake Milton - OPTION PICKED UP $10
LA Lakers- Isaac Bonga - OPTION PICKED UP $9
Memphis- Hamidou Diallo
New Orleans- De'Anthony Melton
New Orleans- Omari Spellman
New Orleans- Svi Mykhailiuk
New York- Bruce Brown - OPTION PICKED UP $7
New York- Alize Johnson - OPTION PICKED UP $4
Phoenix- Anfernee Simons
Phoenix- Trevon Duval
Sacramento- Kostas Antetokounmpo
San Antonio- Tony Carr
San Antonio- Kevin Hervey



Also, I will need to know what teams want to do with all Exempt List players by Monday June 10th. Teams with players on the EL have the option to keep their current contract frozen or take a year off of the players current deal. Each team will need to let me know via PM, by noon on the 10th if they want to keep that players contract as is. No response will mean the players deal will be frozen.

Atlanta- Kadeem Allen - LOSES A YEAR
Boston- Billy Preston - LOSES A YEAR
Boston Brandan Wright - LOSES A YEAR
Boston- Jarrett Jack - LOSES A YEAR
Brooklyn- Tarik Black
Brooklyn- Jawun Evans
Charlotte- Trevon Bluett
Charlotte- Issue Sanon
Chicago- Manu Ginobili - LOSES A YEAR
Cleveland- Jonah Bolden
Cleveland- Malik Newman
Dallas- Aleksandar Vezenkov - LOSES A YEAR
Dallas- Nigel Williams-Goss - LOSES A YEAR
Dallas- Matt Barnes - LOSES A YEAR
Denver- Kelan Martin
Denver- Kenrich Williams
Houston- Edy Tavares - LOSES A YEAR
Indiana- Kendrick Nunn - CONTRACT FREEZES
LA Clippers- Rawle Alkins - CONTRACT FREEZES
LA Lakers- Tony Allen - LOSES A YEAR
Miami- David Lee
New Orleans- Gary Clark
New York- Alpha Kaba - LOSES A YEAR
Oklahoma City- Edmond Sumner
Orlando- Kobi Simmons
Phoenix- Trevon Duval
Portland- Anthony Bennett
San Antonio- Kevin Hervey
Toronto- Tyler Ulis - LOSES A YEAR
Washington- Allonzo Trier

[bringbackhoffa]

Come on detroit

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[bishnykfan]

When can we start trading?

Trades can be done anytime but they can't be announced until just before the draft. As soon as the BaF Finals are finished, the 2018-19 season is complete and we will transition to the 2019-20 season. I will let you know the date when moves are allowed to be made official when we know when this season will finish.