2019 Draft Class

PhilBlackson · Post #3581 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu May 16, 2019 7:06 pm

Personally like Hunter & Bol's upsides more than Ja and RJ. I'm sure I'll be wrong in one of their cases though lol

ruffian253 · Post #3582 » by **ruffian253** » Fri May 17, 2019 2:07 am

Clarkes NBA comparison would be Shawn Marion, undersized, but makes up for being undersize with with by his explosiveness off the jump and timing on the defensive end. Has a great spin move on the offensive end and can be creative with finishing around basket, but cant do much after 2-3 dribbles. Todays comparison can probably be a more athletic and explosive draymond, harkless, j. Bell, and probably can develop offensively into jeff green or one of the morris twins

clyde21 · Post #3583 » by **clyde21** » Fri May 17, 2019 3:00 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Personally like Hunter & Bol's upsides more than Ja and RJ. I'm sure I'll be wrong in one of their cases though lol

Bol has the highest upside of anyone in this draft not named Zion

i like Hunter but his upside isn't quite what Ja's or RJ's is.

Roddy B for 3 · 7/1/2019 (I broke a mirror on 7-1-2012)

ruffian253 wrote:Clarkes NBA comparison would be Shawn Marion, undersized, but makes up for being undersize with with by his explosiveness off the jump and timing on the defensive end. Has a great spin move on the offensive end and can be creative with finishing around basket, but cant do much after 2-3 dribbles. Todays comparison can probably be a more athletic and explosive draymond, harkless, j. Bell, and probably can develop offensively into jeff green or one of the morris twins

Shawn Marion was a world class perimeter defender. Can Clarke be above average for a wing definding other wings?

clyde21 · Post #3585 » by **clyde21** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:07 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
ruffian253 wrote:Clarkes NBA comparison would be Shawn Marion, undersized, but makes up for being undersize with with by his explosiveness off the jump and timing on the defensive end. Has a great spin move on the offensive end and can be creative with finishing around basket, but cant do much after 2-3 dribbles. Todays comparison can probably be a more athletic and explosive draymond, harkless, j. Bell, and probably can develop offensively into jeff green or one of the morris twins

Shawn Marion was a world class perimeter defender. Can Clarke be above average for a wing definding other wings?

did you see Clarke's agility numbers so far? he's posting guard #s.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #3586 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:49 am

doordoor123 wrote:https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190515/iowa-state-mens-basketball-talen-horton-tucker-charged-pleads-guilty-to-misdemeanor-theft

Wonder how this hurts his stock

His combine has been really good so far. If anything, the story is a good sign of his steals averages going forward.

elias808 · Post #3587 » by **elias808** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:56 am

PerkinsFor3 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190515/iowa-state-mens-basketball-talen-horton-tucker-charged-pleads-guilty-to-misdemeanor-theft

Wonder how this hurts his stock

His combine has been really good so far. If anything, the story is a good sign of his steals averages going forward.

We got a winner!

Post #3588 » by **GimmeDat** » Fri May 17, 2019 8:26 am

PerkinsFor3 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190515/iowa-state-mens-basketball-talen-horton-tucker-charged-pleads-guilty-to-misdemeanor-theft

Wonder how this hurts his stock

His combine has been really good so far. If anything, the story is a good sign of his steals averages going forward.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #3589 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Fri May 17, 2019 8:41 am

In all seriousness, I'm very interested in Talen Horton-Tucker's stock. As someone who's a big fan of Gary Harris types, he's nearing lottery range for me. Harris should've been drafted waaaaaay higher in 2014 as well (and there are more parallels between these drafts).

No-Man · Post #3590 » by **No-Man** » Fri May 17, 2019 9:22 am

Bol Bol's upside is so theoretical really

PhilBlackson · Post #3591 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri May 17, 2019 2:36 pm

I think the top end of this draft is better than what the media is giving credit for.

kobe808lak · Post #3592 » by **kobe808lak** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:11 pm

Does anyone think the Knicks pass on RJ? I'm just not seeing it with his game.. he seems like a low IQ chucker. It is just measurables and factoring in his age that he is viewed this highly?

Bad decision making and low % shooting are pretty big red flags to me.

Maybe it's just this draft class being unimpressive..

clyde21 · Post #3593 » by **clyde21** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:37 pm

kobe808lak wrote:Does anyone think the Knicks pass on RJ? I'm just not seeing it with his game.. he seems like a low IQ chucker. It is just measurables and factoring in his age that he is viewed this highly?

Bad decision making and low % shooting are pretty big red flags to me.

Maybe it's just this draft class being unimpressive..

he can be a bit of a chucker but I think he improved quite a bit in that aspect as the year progressed. he needs to improve his decision making in both half court sets and transition overall.

that said, hell no he's not overrated. if anything he's actually gotten a bit underrated (and this is coming from a guy who wasn't too high on him coming in). this Duke team was just not a good fit for him schematically or from a personnel standpoint, and was still able to be extremely productive. he's a walking 20pt scorer in the NBA, has that 'dog' and u can see it in how he's developed as a rebounder, can playmake some and potentially be secondary ball handler as a wing down the line.

top 3 are locked in at this point - Zion, Ja and RJ. no way the Knicks pass on him.

clyde21 · Post #3594 » by **clyde21** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:38 pm

Schmitz/Givony love this guy

Read on Twitter

nolang1 · Post #3595 » by **nolang1** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:52 pm

kobe808lak wrote:Does anyone think the Knicks pass on RJ? I'm just not seeing it with his game.. he seems like a low IQ chucker. It is just measurables and factoring in his age that he is viewed this highly?

Bad decision making and low % shooting are pretty big red flags to me.

Maybe it's just this draft class being unimpressive..

They could definitely trade the pick if they've got big free agents coming. I don't think RJ (like most rookies) will be able to help a winning team next year.

eminence · Post #3596 » by **eminence** » Sat May 18, 2019 12:01 am

Not perfectly done, but a decent reminder of how very average NBA drafts usually wind up being. I'd suggest talking all of your current projections and turning them down one notch.

Coeur · Post #3597 » by **Coeur** » Sat May 18, 2019 2:47 am

clyde21 wrote:Schmitz/Givony love this guy

Read on Twitter

Yeah I can’t figure out how he’s not being hyped as a teens-20’s guy. Hoping he’s just another Denver Nug 2nd round pick

predators · Post #3598 » by **predators** » Sat May 18, 2019 3:19 am

ruffian253 wrote:Clarkes NBA comparison would be Shawn Marion, undersized, but makes up for being undersize with with by his explosiveness off the jump and timing on the defensive end. Has a great spin move on the offensive end and can be creative with finishing around basket, but cant do much after 2-3 dribbles. Todays comparison can probably be a more athletic and explosive draymond, harkless, j. Bell, and probably can develop offensively into jeff green or one of the morris twins

Shawn Marion doesn't have an official wingspan measurement, but I'm going to go out on limb and say its significantly longer than Clarke's 6'8". Draymond/Harkless have 7' + wingspans. Honestly Clarke should not have measured if he knew it was going to be that bad, it's going to cost him lot of money. He has a similar standing reach as Klay Thompson.

Stillwater · Post #3599 » by **Stillwater** » Sat May 18, 2019 3:21 am

Coeur wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Schmitz/Givony love this guy

Read on Twitter

Yeah I can’t figure out how he’s not being hyped as a teens-20’s guy. Hoping he’s just another Denver Nug 2nd round pick

He's been a solid player in a pro league for awhile and seeing him ball out against 2nd or 3rd tier college kids is still impressive, but not that impressive. I think he has always been a potential late first and for a couple teams the combine could make them more comfortable going mid 1st. I think his floor is 35 at this point.

PhilBlackson · Post #3600 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat May 18, 2019 5:49 pm

kobe808lak wrote:Does anyone think the Knicks pass on RJ? I'm just not seeing it with his game.. he seems like a low IQ chucker. It is just measurables and factoring in his age that he is viewed this highly?

Bad decision making and low % shooting are pretty big red flags to me.

Maybe it's just this draft class being unimpressive..

IMO it's all depends on if they think they'll be able to trade for AD or not.

The top priority for Griffin from here on out will be to keep Zion happy. Easiest way to do so is bring in his bff. People can go on about usage etc, but that's on COACHING to change that. Having RJ ensures a happy, healthy lockerroom for the next 7 years at minimum and makes it INCREDIBLY difficult to leave behind what would become probably his tightest friendship in his life at that point and nothing is more important for the Pelicans than trying to root Zion into the foundation of the organization.

As for Barrett as a prospect, I'm almost becoming baffled why so many here are treating him like a finished product. No he will never reach the ridiculous hype of being a transformative superstar that some analysts tried to bestow on him as a highschool player but equally he's not capped out as a 18 year old lol

His shot will continue to improve as he refines his mechanics and he's already shown a more advanced understanding of basketball schematics, spacing and footwork than many of his draft class counterparts that's allowed him to be a near 23ppg scorer in college which is no small feat. He can still turn out to be one of the best players in this draft (not THE best).

But yes I can certainly see the Knicks passing on him if either Griffin let's them know he has someone else in mind or NY just takes a player they believe in more (ie/ any of Hunter, Garland, Bol, Culver etc could easily turn out to be the better player).