The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[AirP.]

Our future potential for championships will depend on Ben. He's the one with the most room to grow. Embiid, Butler and Tobias are pretty much at their ceiling. Not saying they can't improve incrementally... they can. But if Ben can truly learn to be a point guard that controls the ball in crunch time, if he can develop a credible jumper and finish with more aggressiveness and skill around the basket, Sixers will be a perennial title contender, a lot like we were in the 80s.

This is odd to hear again, this is the same argument I kept hearing 2 seasons ago on A.Wiggins before he got his max contract(and with him coming off a 23 ppg season), at that time he showed little to no improvement on his game, you know, much like Simmons and Simmons, much like Wiggins will get paid the max based on their "potential". If you can get a great player in their prime for Simmons DO IT and solidify your future instead of rolling the dice because sometimes you end up really hurting your franchise. Your timeline is Embiid and you're "hoping" Simmons becomes good enough next to him to have his own timeline for the franchise.

[CoreyGallagher]

Simmons would be getting paid the max because of what he can already do. Unlike Wiggins was.

[phillynative]

Can someone dig up his brother and his accolades .What merits him to be able to train ben simmons shooting?

If the sixers do hire simmons a shooting coach wouldn't his brothers training interfere with that? I dont understand this

[Slacktard]

It seems like Evan Turner put a helluva lot more time into working on his shooting and never really got good, so not sure why this thought exists that Simmons can flip a switch. Especially when Simmons is significantly worse.

[CoreyGallagher]

Have no idea how much work either put in. The only reps we see players consistently do is pre-game, and shooting is all Ben works on then.

[PhillyPhilly]

It seems like Evan Turner put a helluva lot more time into working on his shooting and never really got good, so not sure why this thought exists that Simmons can flip a switch. Especially when Simmons is significantly worse.

Was Turner shooting with his wrong hand though?

That's what keeps my hope alive. If Ben sees sense and makes the change, then he'll have a much better chace of being successful imo.

[AirP.]

Simmons would be getting paid the max because of what he can already do. Unlike Wiggins was.

Wiggins was 22 at the time having 2 20+ ppg seasons already (but he didn't really have any improvement to his game). Wiggins had a lot of value at that point, Wiggins and Dunn could have netted Minnesota Butler, but their owner refused to let Wiggins be traded and ended up letting Thibs trade LaVine and swap picks(7 for 16) which cost them Markkanan.

I don't expect to see Simmons being an adequate outside shooter in 2 offseasons, it's possible but with his lack of improvements from his rookie year to his 2nd year, it seems unlikely.

[AirP.]

It seems like Evan Turner put a helluva lot more time into working on his shooting and never really got good, so not sure why this thought exists that Simmons can flip a switch. Especially when Simmons is significantly worse.

Was Turner shooting with his wrong hand though?

That's what keeps my hope alive. If Ben sees sense and makes the change, then he'll have a much better chace of being successful imo.

Even if he's shooting with his wrong hand, it's going to take a while before he can get good with his other hand and feel comfortable enough in games to take shots with it on a regular basis.

[CoreyGallagher]

Wiggins has always been a hugely negative player. Simmons is a hugely positive player.

[Bum Adebayo]

Except against elite teams, where he is negative. But yeah, no comparison with Wiggins, who is beyond trash.

[kuclas]

Sometimes I wish Ben would play like Lamar odem especially when odem came into the league. Difference being odem had a jump shot and Ben doesn’t. And Ben is faster.

But very similar ball handling skills and height.

[sixerswillrule]

I've found the solution - https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/05/16/police-arrest-man-who-claims-playing-basketball-naked-enhances-his-skill-level/

[PhillyPhilly]

To all those who don't understand what I mean when I talk about Ben twisting the ball with his left palm In his release motion, here is a video of someone explaining it (it's at the start of the video)

Watch on YouTube

The mechanics are just all over the place. The form has his right arm straight and his left arm is at a weird angle which is why he contrives to twist he ball on release instead of pushing it forward with the tips of his hand like he does with his right hand push shots. He can put up as many reps as he likes but if he continues to use that form and release then he will NEVER, and i mean NEVER get a reliable jumper from eight feet, let alone fifteen or more. So we should all pray that Ben sees sense, because he's been using that same technique for years with no results to speak of. This is why I believe he should switch to shooting with his dominant hand and use his right handed push shot as the platform to build his jumper. Because that shot has a form and release which is conducive to getting a proper jumpshot which would In turn increase his chances of landing them regularly. And this is why Ben working with proper shooting coaches is VITAL because no respectable shooting coach would advise him to shoot like that tbh, none at all.

[Kobblehead]

Having multiple standout aspects of your game and being a positive on the court is great. That's awesome for a rookie contract player and during the regular season.

That stops being cute when you're due for a payday and you don't have the skillset to impact games that matter.

[76ciology]

How ben should play

Watch on YouTube

[sixers hoops]

Can someone dig up his brother and his accolades .What merits him to be able to train ben simmons shooting?

If the sixers do hire simmons a shooting coach wouldn't his brothers training interfere with that? I dont understand this

He has been a basketball coach for multiple programs at the college level and has experience working with young players in player development. However, I am not aware of any success stories he has had rebuilding jumpshots. I would be more comfortable using a shooting coach with a track record of improving NBA players shots.

[phillynative]

Can someone dig up his brother and his accolades .What merits him to be able to train ben simmons shooting?

If the sixers do hire simmons a shooting coach wouldn't his brothers training interfere with that? I dont understand this

He has been a basketball coach for multiple programs at the college level and has experience working with young players in player development. However, I am not aware of any success stories he has had rebuilding jumpshots. I would be more comfortable using a shooting coach with a track record of improving NBA players shots.

Exactly. Are the sixers going to allow this. It boggles my mind .

[sixers hoops]

Can someone dig up his brother and his accolades .What merits him to be able to train ben simmons shooting?

If the sixers do hire simmons a shooting coach wouldn't his brothers training interfere with that? I dont understand this

He has been a basketball coach for multiple programs at the college level and has experience working with young players in player development. However, I am not aware of any success stories he has had rebuilding jumpshots. I would be more comfortable using a shooting coach with a track record of improving NBA players shots.

Exactly. Are the sixers going to allow this. It boggles my mind .

I don’t know about nba contracts, but they prob can’t tell him to not practice with his brother in his free time. If they wanted to they could ban his brother from the facility, but that not going to, and shouldn’t, happen.

However, after Fultz’ personal coach screwed him up, teams should prob have input regarding who in providing instruction to their players. Kawhi was receiving medical treatment from a doctor who worked for the Sixers, while he was being paid millions by the Spurs.

Ultimately, you can only have so much control over a player’s decision when he is not at a team function, which is difficult since you are investing multi-millions in the player.

I picture Brett Brown as Jackie Child’s, Ben as Kramer, and Ben’s brother as kramer’s Caddy. “I been coaching basketball for 30 years, and you’re listening to your brother???”

The Sixers can provide coaches with a better coaching resume than Ben’s brother, but they can’t force him to want to work with them.

[PhillyPhilly]

Well Dennis Scott said he has plans to work with Ben this summer and he has a track record of helping Brogdon improve his jumper so that's a positive at least. I cannot see Dennis allowing Ben to continue using that same form and release, no way.

[Kobblehead]

Malcolm Brogdon attempted 507 collegiate threes and shot 87.6% from the free throw line at Virginia. He had an elite level shooting profile for a shooting coach to steer in the right direction.