Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[stuporman]

Merry Pills hate everything Phil did and Frank is a huge reminder of him....

[Dantares]

Dsjr will be easier to move than Frank and his services will no longer be needed because trier, durant, kyrie and barrett can all make plays with the ball in their hands and score more efficiently than dsjr. Ofcourse I am assuming Barrett can somewhat live up to his potential.

[Tron Carter]

Dsjr will be easier to move than Frank and his services will no longer be needed because trier, durant, kyrie and barrett can all make plays with the ball in their hands and score more efficiently than dsjr. Ofcourse I am assuming Barrett can somewhat live up to his potential.

I agree we can get better value for dsj his role is going to get extremely redundant with who we’ll have on our roster.

[F N 11]

I want to see DSJ succeed I do but he just wouldn’t be aggressive enough.

[Capn'O]

I see some warming up to the trade down scenario......

Ha! Are you also one of the few?

[Capn'O]

Re: Frank - they also would likely save $$$ with a trade. It is what it is. They were never really interested in developing him as a playmaker.

[Thugger HBC]

I see some warming up to the trade down scenario......

Ha! Are you also one of the few?

As I scroll past the voting options I see....

"You voted for this option".

[DOT]

That would make some sense. they seem to really like Trier and Dotson. If you can get a pick for Frank, that's a plus as well.

I mean, I get it, between the 3 SGs on our roster he is the worst overall and most expensive

I just think it's a mistake trading someone that versatile defensively who is already really good on that side of the ball. If he had a consistent 3 pointer, he'd be a starter on most teams

I trust Perry's ability to make trades, and he gets a lot more leeway in the sense that he hit twice on 2nds/undrafted guys last year, so obviously I hope who we draft is better but I don't like it right now

That consistent three might be harder to find than defense, but from how things appear to looking, the stakes are rising.

Players have to prove they can perform now. Frank really hasn't done that consistently on either side of the ball. His defense actually regressed from his rookie season. I don't have an issue with him staying, but I doubt the team is about to wait and see if he can develop into the hope.

Frank wont be a sticking point in acquiring Davis.

I mean, it's easier to improve shooting than defense. Bad shooters become good shooters all the time

And I don't think he regressed so much as we had him defending wings instead of point guards. His PnR defense was still statistically elite this year, 25% of PnRs where he defended the ball handler ended in a turnover, that's pretty good imo

I agree he shouldn't be the sticking point in acquiring 2 maxes or AD, I just don't think we should trade him just to trade him. I'll consider a late first a good enough trade, but if we're just dumping him for like the 40th pick, I don't think that's good value

[god shammgod]

That would make some sense. they seem to really like Trier and Dotson. If you can get a pick for Frank, that's a plus as well.

I mean, I get it, between the 3 SGs on our roster he is the worst overall and most expensive

I just think it's a mistake trading someone that versatile defensively who is already really good on that side of the ball. If he had a consistent 3 pointer, he'd be a starter on most teams

I trust Perry's ability to make trades, and he gets a lot more leeway in the sense that he hit twice on 2nds/undrafted guys last year, so obviously I hope who we draft is better but I don't like it right now

That consistent three might be harder to find than defense, but from how things appear to looking, the stakes are rising.

Players have to prove they can perform now. Frank really hasn't done that consistently on either side of the ball. His defense actually regressed from his rookie season. I don't have an issue with him staying, but I doubt the team is about to wait and see if he can develop into the hope.

Frank wont be a sticking point in acquiring Davis.

the loss of his salary might be

[DOT]

Re: Frank - they also would likely save $$$ with a trade. It is what it is. They were never really interested in developing him as a playmaker.

If it's about money, it comes down to him vs DSJ or Knox

I understand why they'd get rid of him over them, Knox has the highest potential out of them and is Perry's own pick and it looks bad on you if you dump a guy you drafted 9th overall one year prior

If we knew Kyrie or Kemba were coming, it'd make more sense to trade DSJ as he'd be redundant and can't really play together with them, but we don't know for sure on draft night

So logically that leaves you with Frank. It makes sense, I just don't like it personally

[god shammgod]

Re: Frank - they also would likely save $$$ with a trade. It is what it is. They were never really interested in developing him as a playmaker.

If it's about money, it comes down to him vs DSJ or Knox

I understand why they'd get rid of him over them, Knox has the highest potential out of them and is Perry's own pick and it looks bad on you if you dump a guy you drafted 9th overall one year prior

If we knew Kyrie or Kemba were coming, it'd make more sense to trade DSJ as he'd be redundant and can't really play together with them, but we don't know for sure on draft night

So logically that leaves you with Frank. It makes sense, I just don't like it personally

i don't think they view frank as a starter so either one would be coming off the bench in that scenario

[Deeeez Knicks]

Re: Frank - they also would likely save $$$ with a trade. It is what it is. They were never really interested in developing him as a playmaker.

If it's about money, it comes down to him vs DSJ or Knox

I understand why they'd get rid of him over them, Knox has the highest potential out of them and is Perry's own pick and it looks bad on you if you dump a guy you drafted 9th overall one year prior

If we knew Kyrie or Kemba were coming, it'd make more sense to trade DSJ as he'd be redundant and can't really play together with them, but we don't know for sure on draft night

So logically that leaves you with Frank. It makes sense, I just don't like it personally

i think right now they would not be able to pickup Triers option and sign Durant and another max. If they are looking to move Frank for a pick, i think the reason would be so they could keep Trier on his option.

[Thugger HBC]

I mean, I get it, between the 3 SGs on our roster he is the worst overall and most expensive

I just think it's a mistake trading someone that versatile defensively who is already really good on that side of the ball. If he had a consistent 3 pointer, he'd be a starter on most teams

I trust Perry's ability to make trades, and he gets a lot more leeway in the sense that he hit twice on 2nds/undrafted guys last year, so obviously I hope who we draft is better but I don't like it right now

That consistent three might be harder to find than defense, but from how things appear to looking, the stakes are rising.

Players have to prove they can perform now. Frank really hasn't done that consistently on either side of the ball. His defense actually regressed from his rookie season. I don't have an issue with him staying, but I doubt the team is about to wait and see if he can develop into the hope.

Frank wont be a sticking point in acquiring Davis.

I mean, it's easier to improve shooting than defense. Bad shooters become good shooters all the time

And I don't think he regressed so much as we had him defending wings instead of point guards. His PnR defense was still statistically elite this year, 25% of PnRs where he defended the ball handler ended in a turnover, that's pretty good imo

I agree he shouldn't be the sticking point in acquiring 2 maxes or AD, I just don't think we should trade him just to trade him. I'll consider a late first a good enough trade, but if we're just dumping him for like the 40th pick, I don't think that's good value

We can agree to disagree here, but I will state one point....

Most late 1sts don't pan out as NBA players, so if you're cool with that being a good enough trade, then that contradicts the view on Frank.

[DOT]

Re: Frank - they also would likely save $$$ with a trade. It is what it is. They were never really interested in developing him as a playmaker.

If it's about money, it comes down to him vs DSJ or Knox

I understand why they'd get rid of him over them, Knox has the highest potential out of them and is Perry's own pick and it looks bad on you if you dump a guy you drafted 9th overall one year prior

If we knew Kyrie or Kemba were coming, it'd make more sense to trade DSJ as he'd be redundant and can't really play together with them, but we don't know for sure on draft night

So logically that leaves you with Frank. It makes sense, I just don't like it personally

i don't think they view frank as a starter so either one would be coming off the bench in that scenario

But Frank would provide more versatility off the bench in that scenario cause you can play him next to anybody at any position, whereas DSJ would only really be effective when Kyrie/Kemba aren't on the court at the same time as him

[DOT]

That consistent three might be harder to find than defense, but from how things appear to looking, the stakes are rising.

Players have to prove they can perform now. Frank really hasn't done that consistently on either side of the ball. His defense actually regressed from his rookie season. I don't have an issue with him staying, but I doubt the team is about to wait and see if he can develop into the hope.

Frank wont be a sticking point in acquiring Davis.

I mean, it's easier to improve shooting than defense. Bad shooters become good shooters all the time

And I don't think he regressed so much as we had him defending wings instead of point guards. His PnR defense was still statistically elite this year, 25% of PnRs where he defended the ball handler ended in a turnover, that's pretty good imo

I agree he shouldn't be the sticking point in acquiring 2 maxes or AD, I just don't think we should trade him just to trade him. I'll consider a late first a good enough trade, but if we're just dumping him for like the 40th pick, I don't think that's good value

We can agree to disagree here, but I will state one point....

Most late 1sts don't pan out as NBA players, so if you're cool with that being a good enough trade, then that contradicts the view on Frank.

I'm saying that relative to his trade value, I wouldn't be too mad at that

I think a late first has as much chance if not less of panning out as Frank who has already shown NBA level defense, but if we're gonna trade him, I won't view a late first as a major step down the way a mid to late 2nd would be

[Thugger HBC]

I mean, it's easier to improve shooting than defense. Bad shooters become good shooters all the time

And I don't think he regressed so much as we had him defending wings instead of point guards. His PnR defense was still statistically elite this year, 25% of PnRs where he defended the ball handler ended in a turnover, that's pretty good imo

I agree he shouldn't be the sticking point in acquiring 2 maxes or AD, I just don't think we should trade him just to trade him. I'll consider a late first a good enough trade, but if we're just dumping him for like the 40th pick, I don't think that's good value

We can agree to disagree here, but I will state one point....

Most late 1sts don't pan out as NBA players, so if you're cool with that being a good enough trade, then that contradicts the view on Frank.

I'm saying that relative to his trade value, I wouldn't be too mad at that

I think a late first has as much chance if not less of panning out as Frank who has already shown NBA level defense, but if we're gonna trade him, I won't view a late first as a major step down the way a mid to late 2nd would be

Fam, this doesn't make sense if you have a regard of Frank being an NBA player now or in the future.

Now, if you don't it makes perfect sense.

[HEZI]

Even if you take DSJ out of the picture, there is still no minutes for Frank in the rotation. Dotson, Trier, RJ Barrett?

Dude is gonna be buried on the bench next season if he's still on the team

[god shammgod]

If it's about money, it comes down to him vs DSJ or Knox

I understand why they'd get rid of him over them, Knox has the highest potential out of them and is Perry's own pick and it looks bad on you if you dump a guy you drafted 9th overall one year prior

If we knew Kyrie or Kemba were coming, it'd make more sense to trade DSJ as he'd be redundant and can't really play together with them, but we don't know for sure on draft night

So logically that leaves you with Frank. It makes sense, I just don't like it personally

i don't think they view frank as a starter so either one would be coming off the bench in that scenario

But Frank would provide more versatility off the bench in that scenario cause you can play him next to anybody at any position, whereas DSJ would only really be effective when Kyrie/Kemba aren't on the court at the same time as him

teams play 2 points together all the time now. the only thing that makes it hard is the same thing that makes playing frank hard, lack of a jump shot. it probably has nothing to do with any of this anyway. they probably feel this is their last chance to cash in on frank and with dennis there's still time. i don't expect either of them to be here long term.

[DOT]

We can agree to disagree here, but I will state one point....

Most late 1sts don't pan out as NBA players, so if you're cool with that being a good enough trade, then that contradicts the view on Frank.

I'm saying that relative to his trade value, I wouldn't be too mad at that

I think a late first has as much chance if not less of panning out as Frank who has already shown NBA level defense, but if we're gonna trade him, I won't view a late first as a major step down the way a mid to late 2nd would be

Fam, this doesn't make sense if you have a regard of Frank being an NBA player now or in the future.

Now, if you don't it makes perfect sense.

I don't get how it doesn't

I like Frank, but we need to trade him

His trade value is pretty low at this point, and I don't think many teams would offer us a late first for him

I wouldn't want to trade him for a late first if we didn't need the salary or if there wasn't an easier way to get it. If we were passing on free agents next year and just developing players, I wouldn't be for trading him for a late first because I think he has a better chance of panning out than a late first

I'm looking at this in context of where the franchise is, and where we think we're gonna be in a month and a half

[god shammgod]

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