Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Thugger HBC]

The league has moved on from defense/non scoring players. They become liabilities as the stakes get raised.

[god shammgod]

zion a rodney rogers/odom/josh smith hybrid. that seems harsh as hell.

[god shammgod]

The league has moved on from defense/non scoring players. They become liabilities as the stakes get raised.

you really can't have too many guys who can't shoot 3s anymore. toronto is basically losing because of this.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm saying that relative to his trade value, I wouldn't be too mad at that

I think a late first has as much chance if not less of panning out as Frank who has already shown NBA level defense, but if we're gonna trade him, I won't view a late first as a major step down the way a mid to late 2nd would be

Fam, this doesn't make sense if you have a regard of Frank being an NBA player now or in the future.

Now, if you don't it makes perfect sense.

I don't get how it doesn't

I like Frank, but we need to trade him

His trade value is pretty low at this point, and I don't think many teams would offer us a late first for him

I wouldn't want to trade him for a late first if we didn't need the salary or if there wasn't an easier way to get it. If we were passing on free agents next year and just developing players, I wouldn't be for trading him for a late first because I think he has a better chance of panning out than a late first

I'm looking at this in context of where the franchise is, and where we think we're gonna be in a month and a half

Understand, it makes sense now.

[HarthorneWingo]

The league has moved on from defense/non scoring players. They become liabilities as the stakes get raised.

you really can't have too many guys who can't shoot 3s anymore. toronto is basically losing because of this.

Ever hear of "3 and D"?

[Thugger HBC]

The league has moved on from defense/non scoring players. They become liabilities as the stakes get raised.

you really can't have too many guys who can't shoot 3s anymore. toronto is basically losing because of this.

Yup, Philly lost because one of their best players refuses to shoot period. Houston has a non scoring option making 15 mil now.

These teams aren't losing because lack of defense. All those teams can get a stop. They cant score.

Offense always beats defense. There are no ties in the NBA, this isn't the NFL.

[HEZI]

The league has moved on from defense/non scoring players. They become liabilities as the stakes get raised.

I wouldn't say moved on but teams just arent investing in them like that. You find these type of guys in the 2nd round and even undrafted .

[DOT]

The league has moved on from defense/non scoring players. They become liabilities as the stakes get raised.

you really can't have too many guys who can't shoot 3s anymore. toronto is basically losing because of this.

Ever hear of "3 and D"?

Except Frank isn't a 3 and D player, he's just a defender

Yeah you hope his 3 pointer comes around, and I think it's not as far off as people suggest, but he's not a rotation player on a good team until it does, and that might be next year, 2 years from now, 3 years from now, and if we're trying to compete next year, having 4.5 mil tied up in his development is a hindrance more than anything

[mpharris36]

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is this referencing the same report berman has been referencing for months now?

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

They also will look into offers for Ntilikina to see if they can add another early second-round or late first-round pick.

Ntilikina has been a disappointment in his first two seasons and will make $5 million next season.

Moving Ntilikina would give the Knicks plenty of space to enforce the option clauses of Trier and Damyean Dotson without affecting their room for the two max contracts to land Durant and Kyrie Irving, whom many league insiders feel have talked about forming a Knicks tandem.

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

[HEZI]

Guys like Torrey Craig can provide defense on a playoff team for a fraction of the cost and no pick invested. Even a guy like Kenrich Williams can provide similar value. These type of players can be found easily

[Thugger HBC]

is this referencing the same report berman has been referencing for months now?

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

They also will look into offers for Ntilikina to see if they can add another early second-round or late first-round pick.

Ntilikina has been a disappointment in his first two seasons and will make $5 million next season.

Moving Ntilikina would give the Knicks plenty of space to enforce the option clauses of Trier and Damyean Dotson without affecting their room for the two max contracts to land Durant and Kyrie Irving, whom many league insiders feel have talked about forming a Knicks tandem.

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

What are you basing the bold on?

[mpharris36]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

[god shammgod]

is this referencing the same report berman has been referencing for months now?

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

They also will look into offers for Ntilikina to see if they can add another early second-round or late first-round pick.

Ntilikina has been a disappointment in his first two seasons and will make $5 million next season.

Moving Ntilikina would give the Knicks plenty of space to enforce the option clauses of Trier and Damyean Dotson without affecting their room for the two max contracts to land Durant and Kyrie Irving, whom many league insiders feel have talked about forming a Knicks tandem.

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

i'm just curious how they do the ad trade then. wouldn't they need frank to match salaries ? i keep asking it but nobody seems to have the answer. doesn't that make a kd/kyrie/ad scenario impossible ?

[mpharris36]

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

What are you basing the bold on?

defense.

Dotson is a shooter and Trier is a 6th man type iso scorer. Both are needed but if you also have Kyrie you now have good versatility from your guards but you have no one that can defend multiple positions and defend them well.

[HarthorneWingo]

you really can't have too many guys who can't shoot 3s anymore. toronto is basically losing because of this.

Ever hear of "3 and D"?

Except Frank isn't a 3 and D player, he's just a defender

Yeah you hope his 3 pointer comes around, and I think it's not as far off as people suggest, but he's not a rotation player on a good team until it does, and that might be next year, 2 years from now, 3 years from now, and if we're trying to compete next year, having 4.5 mil tied up in his development is a hindrance more than anything

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular as neither shammy or Thug did. I thought we were speaking generically. They're out there.

[mpharris36]

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

i'm just curious how they do the ad trade then. wouldn't they need frank to match salaries ? i keep asking it but nobody seems to have the answer. doesn't that make a kd/kyrie/ad scenario impossible ?

front the sounds of it and maybe its just me...they seem to really like Mitch (and pelicans want him). And they want to develop a team. They just don't want to go big 3 IMO. Maybe thats a gut feeling but I get the sense they would rather go two max guys and then mix and match the rest with developing young players and supplementing the rest with vets and maybe a trade.

[KnixinSix]

is this referencing the same report berman has been referencing for months now?

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

They also will look into offers for Ntilikina to see if they can add another early second-round or late first-round pick.

Ntilikina has been a disappointment in his first two seasons and will make $5 million next season.

Moving Ntilikina would give the Knicks plenty of space to enforce the option clauses of Trier and Damyean Dotson without affecting their room for the two max contracts to land Durant and Kyrie Irving, whom many league insiders feel have talked about forming a Knicks tandem.

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

I get what you mean since he is a good compliment to Kyrie. More pass first and elite defensively. If Pels have no interest (and we could still match up salaries with other players) I wouldnt be opposed to this.

[Thugger HBC]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

His ortg is off the charts in his return. It isn't solely on his defense.

[god shammgod]

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

i'm just curious how they do the ad trade then. wouldn't they need frank to match salaries ? i keep asking it but nobody seems to have the answer. doesn't that make a kd/kyrie/ad scenario impossible ?

front the sounds of it and maybe its just me...they seem to really like Mitch (and pelicans want him). And they want to develop a team. They just don't want to go big 3 IMO. Maybe thats a gut feeling but I get the sense they would rather go two max guys and then mix and match the rest with developing young players and supplementing the rest with vets and maybe a trade.

they have been talking that "not giving away the youth, skipping steps stuff" but why even entertain an ad trade then ? you can't do it without giving away a lot of assets.

[DOT]

Ever hear of "3 and D"?

Except Frank isn't a 3 and D player, he's just a defender

Yeah you hope his 3 pointer comes around, and I think it's not as far off as people suggest, but he's not a rotation player on a good team until it does, and that might be next year, 2 years from now, 3 years from now, and if we're trying to compete next year, having 4.5 mil tied up in his development is a hindrance more than anything

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular as neither shammy or Thug did. I thought we were speaking generically. They're out there.

They're talking about guys like Frank that aren't shooters

There's plenty of 3 + D guys out there, and plenty of bad defenders that shoot 3s, but not that many bad shooters that defend that get minutes on contenders any more