Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[DOT]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

His ortg is off the charts in his return. It isn't solely on his defense.

Yeah, Brogdan's efficiency is elite, dude had a 50/40/90 season

I'm a huge Frankophile, but I don't see him being that good on offense

I say he can be a friendlier Marcus Smart

[Deeeez Knicks]

it's from an article he wrote yesterday

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

i'm just curious how they do the ad trade then. wouldn't they need frank to match salaries ? i keep asking it but nobody seems to have the answer. doesn't that make a kd/kyrie/ad scenario impossible ?

They could put Trier in instead, right?

Trier seems to be good friends with Durant though so i think we are looking to keep him

[Thugger HBC]

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

What are you basing the bold on?

defense.

Dotson is a shooter and Trier is a 6th man type iso scorer. Both are needed but if you also have Kyrie you now have good versatility from your guards but you have no one that can defend multiple positions and defend them well.

I'm of the belief that there are quite a few players who be thrilled to come in and defend for the minimum if we had Durant Kyrie and AD, and could likely make a bucket too. Those types are littered around the league.

[Juco24]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

His ortg is off the charts in his return. It isn't solely on his defense.

Brogden was also the go to SCORER @ Uva. Frank hasn't been asked to score at any level that I know of

[mpharris36]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

His ortg is off the charts in his return. It isn't solely on his defense.

agreed but he also came into the league when he was 23...he's 26 now.

Frank is 20. I'm not saying Frank is even near those levels but its how I would like to see him developed as. Brogden can't be a main distributor but he plays off stars well because he can play both on and off ball and defend multiple positions well. Versatility at its finest

[KnixinSix]

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

i'm just curious how they do the ad trade then. wouldn't they need frank to match salaries ? i keep asking it but nobody seems to have the answer. doesn't that make a kd/kyrie/ad scenario impossible ?

They could put Trier in instead, right?

Trier seems to be good friends with Durant though so i think we are looking to keep him

Lance Thomas as a one year filler. Or a bunch of the guys they signed mid season Ellenson Jenkins Allen Billy etc I think there are ways to work it. I don't know if we can keep BOTH Frank and Trier though its likely one or the other.

[god shammgod]

they have to waive lance thomas before they sign kd & kyrie though, no ?

those other guys don't have guaranteed contracts so they don't work. we were discussing this a day ago.

[Thugger HBC]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

His ortg is off the charts in his return. It isn't solely on his defense.

agreed but he also came into the league when he was 23...he's 26 now.

Frank is 20. I'm not saying Frank is even near those levels but its how I would like to see him developed as. Brogden can't be a main distributor but he plays off stars well because he can play both on and off ball and defend multiple positions well. Versatility at its finest

Brog is a highly efficient scorer. He's always been this way. He certainly can defend well, but that's not why he is as important as he is. This comparison honestly isn't fair for Frank.

[TBri1974]

I'm getting on the Barrett bandwagon. Draft Barrett and trade DSJ for a PF who plays defense, can get up and down the court and hit a decent shot to open things up for Mitch, Knox and Barrett down under.

Frankly, I am already excited by a lineup of:
Frank/Trier
Barrett/Dotson/Trier
Knox/Barrett
PF (?)
Mitch/Kornet

You slide Dotson into the starter position, Barrett to SF and Knox to PF to play small ball.

[Thugger HBC]

I'll allow the comparison since Brog was a 2nd round pick. I keep saying you can find Frank type defenders anywhere.

[mpharris36]

What are you basing the bold on?

defense.

Dotson is a shooter and Trier is a 6th man type iso scorer. Both are needed but if you also have Kyrie you now have good versatility from your guards but you have no one that can defend multiple positions and defend them well.

I'm of the belief that there are quite a few players who be thrilled to come in and defend for the minimum if we had Durant Kyrie and AD, and could likely make a bucket too. Those types are littered around the league.

that also dont have major flaws in there game? I mean hey im not directly committed to any young player currently on the roster. I'm just saying personally if I had the choice I would keep Frank and deal DSJ for two reasons.

1. You would undoubtidly would get more value for DSJ at this point (big factor).
2. I honestly believe its easy to find a flawed instant offense guard (those guys might be undersized) but I think as the game has changed you can find that change of pace back point guard that can score and slash. That Ish Smith type is littered around the league.

[HEZI]

defense.

Dotson is a shooter and Trier is a 6th man type iso scorer. Both are needed but if you also have Kyrie you now have good versatility from your guards but you have no one that can defend multiple positions and defend them well.

I'm of the belief that there are quite a few players who be thrilled to come in and defend for the minimum if we had Durant Kyrie and AD, and could likely make a bucket too. Those types are littered around the league.

that also dont have major flaws in there game? I mean hey im not directly committed to any young player currently on the roster. I'm just saying personally if I had the choice I would keep Frank and deal DSJ for two reasons.

1. You would undoubtidly would get more value for DSJ at this point (big factor).
2. I honestly believe its easy to find a flawed instant offense guard (those guys might be undersized) but I think as the game has changed you can find that change of pace back point guard that can score and slash. That Ish Smith type is littered around the league.

melo gonna come for your head right now

[Thugger HBC]

DSJ is a goner if we get Davis, Frank is as well. I'm not trying to justify one staying over the other, it makes no sense.

They would both be gone and if somehow either stayed, they both come off the bench in very limited roles.

[DOT]

they have to waive lance thomas before they sign kd & kyrie though, no ?

those other guys don't have guaranteed contracts so they don't work. we were discussing this a day ago.

Yeah, but as long as he's waived before May 30th none of his salary is guaranteed

We're still about 2 mil short of a KD max and a non KD max. We'd have enough room if KD didn't have enough veterancy to get the next level of max, but it's just what it is

[Thugger HBC]

Ish Smith? That's baiting.

[Chanel Bomber]

I'm getting on the Barrett bandwagon. Draft Barrett and trade DSJ for a PF who plays defense, can get up and down the court and hit a decent shot to open things up for Mitch, Knox and Barrett down under.

Frankly, I am already excited by a lineup of:
Frank/Trier
Barrett/Dotson/Trier
Knox/Barrett
PF (?)
Mitch/Kornet

You slide Dotson into the starter position, Barrett to SF and Knox to PF to play small ball.

I respectfully think you've got all these guys playing out of position with the exception of Mitch.

Frank doesn't have the ball-handling skills nor the ability to make quick decisions to play PG. He's a SG through and through. As is Zo.

I think Barrett with his size and current lack of outside shooting would better off playing SF. And Knox doesn't have the foot speed to hang with most NBA wings, defensively or offensively. I think he's a small-ball 4.

Not that positions really matter, but skillsets define roles and balance is key. I don't think these guys have the skillset to play together the way to you put this line-up together, especially in the pace-and-space era.

[Capn'O]

malcolm brogden versatility is why I think you need to develop frank. That is the type of player he can be on a winning type team or some version of that. Brogden was even guarding kawhi at times for the Bucks...that is the type of versatility you need in todays NBA.

Or the old version of Iggy. That's the supreme upside hope.

[god shammgod]

they have to waive lance thomas before they sign kd & kyrie though, no ?

those other guys don't have guaranteed contracts so they don't work. we were discussing this a day ago.

Yeah, but as long as he's waived before May 30th none of his salary is guaranteed

We're still about 2 mil short of a KD max and a non KD max. We'd have enough room if KD didn't have enough veterancy to get the next level of max, but it's just what it is

i know that part. responding to the other post, we can't use lance in a trade after we sign kd/kyrie even if we trade frank first i believe for a late 1st. i'm not doing the math but i don't think it works.

and actually 1 mill of lance is guaranteed.

[Chanel Bomber]

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Of course they aren’t, statistically Knox may have been one of the three worst players in the NBA last season. That’s without mentioning the horrific body language, the motor issues and the obnoxious comments about us « stupid » Knicks fans. The Pelicans know this. He reminds me so much of Bargs.

relax. he’s super raw,young, and inefficient but he is NOTHING like Bargs who literally never gave af about anything.

Your approach is reasonable. But so far I haven't seen anything that proves Knox really gives a f*** either.

[DOT]

they have to waive lance thomas before they sign kd & kyrie though, no ?

those other guys don't have guaranteed contracts so they don't work. we were discussing this a day ago.

Yeah, but as long as he's waived before May 30th none of his salary is guaranteed

We're still about 2 mil short of a KD max and a non KD max. We'd have enough room if KD didn't have enough veterancy to get the next level of max, but it's just what it is

i know that part. responding to the other post, we can't use lance in a trade after we sign kd/kyrie even if we trade frank first i believe for a late 1st. i'm not doing the math but i don't think it works.

and actually 1 mill of lance is guaranteed.

Oh, no absolutely not. Math isn't even close to being right on that one

KFS says that Lance's 1 mil only becomes guaranteed if we waive him after May 30th, if we waive him before then it's non guaranteed

Either way I don't think it makes a difference, we have enough wiggle room for that