Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Chanel Bomber]

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Of course they aren’t, statistically Knox may have been one of the three worst players in the NBA last season. That’s without mentioning the horrific body language, the motor issues and the obnoxious comments about us « stupid » Knicks fans. The Pelicans know this. He reminds me so much of Bargs.

what was his comment about Knick fans? did not hear it.

"Yeah, a lot of fans, they always say some dumb stuff. You see it all the time with the tanking and want us to lose, stuff like that. It's kind of stupid. They're not really true New Yorkers. Real Knicks fans know that we're trying to just take this year to just develop us young guys and then next year hopefully make a push."

https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/kevin-knox-is-disturbed-by-some-knicks-fans/

[god shammgod]

knox hit the 3 at a decent clip post all-star. 35 percent. he becomes passable on defense and he can be a role player at the very least.

[newyorker4ever]

Dsjr will be easier to move than Frank and his services will no longer be needed because trier, durant, kyrie and barrett can all make plays with the ball in their hands and score more efficiently than dsjr. Ofcourse I am assuming Barrett can somewhat live up to his potential.

You're also assuming Kyrie stays healthy. I'm not a big DSJ fan but if Kyrie did go down then i'd feel much better if we had DSJ ready to come in the game over Frank. I love Frank and that Frank has the defense and can guard at least 3 positions but i don't trust him to run an offense. I wouldn't even care if he didn't get his shot better if he could at least run the offense and with his defense then i'd be fine with him over DSJ. I did really like what K.Allen showed in his time with us but we don't know if he's one of those guys that played well because he was playing on a bad team or if he could do what he did for us on a good team to because if he can then i'm definitely down with having him playing some PG.

[BowlRips]

they have to waive lance thomas before they sign kd & kyrie though, no ?

those other guys don't have guaranteed contracts so they don't work. we were discussing this a day ago.

Yeah, but as long as he's waived before May 30th none of his salary is guaranteed

We're still about 2 mil short of a KD max and a non KD max. We'd have enough room if KD didn't have enough veterancy to get the next level of max, but it's just what it is

Not true.
With Lance gone and all the young ones staying, we are about 150k short of a KD max and a Kyrie max.

[Orange Mamba]

We better win the summer league championship this year with RJ and Mitch

[Fat]

if you can get a late first or early second for frank i think you do it.

would love to Pick up schrofield or cameron johnson if available

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[DOT]

they have to waive lance thomas before they sign kd & kyrie though, no ?

those other guys don't have guaranteed contracts so they don't work. we were discussing this a day ago.

Yeah, but as long as he's waived before May 30th none of his salary is guaranteed

We're still about 2 mil short of a KD max and a non KD max. We'd have enough room if KD didn't have enough veterancy to get the next level of max, but it's just what it is

Not true.
With Lance gone and all the young ones staying, we are about 150k short of a KD max and a Kyrie max.

Here's where I'm getting my numbers from

Spoiler:

The part where it says cap space on the bottom left is without taking Trier's 3.5 million into account. We have 1.6 mil extra without Trier's option picked up minus 3.5 is about 2 mil short

[god shammgod]

We better win the summer league championship this year with RJ and Mitch

if they're here

[Fat]

We better win the summer league championship this year with RJ and Mitch

Kevin knox steps up his game in summer league, add RJ and mitch to that how can we lose

[newyorker4ever]

i still feel like he's referencing the same story. Maybe I see something most don't. But in terms of what we would get back via a trade and what we need if we get KD + kyrie i trade DSJ 10 times out of 10 before frank.

Neither Trier or Dotson bring what Frank does which we will need.

i'm just curious how they do the ad trade then. wouldn't they need frank to match salaries ? i keep asking it but nobody seems to have the answer. doesn't that make a kd/kyrie/ad scenario impossible ?

front the sounds of it and maybe its just me...they seem to really like Mitch (and pelicans want him). And they want to develop a team. They just don't want to go big 3 IMO. Maybe thats a gut feeling but I get the sense they would rather go two max guys and then mix and match the rest with developing young players and supplementing the rest with vets and maybe a trade.

I'd be real interested to see what David Griffin had to say about Kevin Knox before and after last years draft because i'm pretty sure he was doing the draft for NBA TV or ESPN. They're supposedly not high on K.Knox but i'm wondering if that's just a play to get us to throw in more in any AD talks or whatever. I'm not very good on a computer to know what i'd have to do to go back that far and find out where he was working and what shows he was doing about the draft before and after the draft but i'm pretty damn sure he was on some of those shows covering the draft and would love to see what he had to say about Knox before he played for us last year.

[Polk377]

Dsjr will be easier to move than Frank and his services will no longer be needed because trier, durant, kyrie and barrett can all make plays with the ball in their hands and score more efficiently than dsjr. Ofcourse I am assuming Barrett can somewhat live up to his potential.

You're also assuming Kyrie stays healthy. I'm not a big DSJ fan but if Kyrie did go down then i'd feel much better if we had DSJ ready to come in the game over Frank. I love Frank and that Frank has the defense and can guard at least 3 positions but i don't trust him to run an offense. I wouldn't even care if he didn't get his shot better if he could at least run the offense and with his defense then i'd be fine with him over DSJ. I did really like what K.Allen showed in his time with us but we don't know if he's one of those guys that played well because he was playing on a bad team or if he could do what he did for us on a good team to because if he can then i'm definitely down with having him playing some PG.

Frank doesn't have a problem running the offense and getting the right man the ball. His problem has always been aggression to get his own and knocking down open shots. Smith needs the ball to be effective and players around him to space the floor. Both bring something different to the table and have a place here. Assuming we get Barrett, Frank can be an effective off ball defender to pair with him and DSJ can be an effective 6th man that can either run next to Kyrie or handle the PG duties.

[newyorker4ever]

We better win the summer league championship this year with RJ and Mitch

Not sure Mitch will play SL next year. Not sure we need him to because he proved himself legit last year and don't wanna take any injury chances with him. Maybe he will but i don't think he will.

[newyorker4ever]

Dsjr will be easier to move than Frank and his services will no longer be needed because trier, durant, kyrie and barrett can all make plays with the ball in their hands and score more efficiently than dsjr. Ofcourse I am assuming Barrett can somewhat live up to his potential.

You're also assuming Kyrie stays healthy. I'm not a big DSJ fan but if Kyrie did go down then i'd feel much better if we had DSJ ready to come in the game over Frank. I love Frank and that Frank has the defense and can guard at least 3 positions but i don't trust him to run an offense. I wouldn't even care if he didn't get his shot better if he could at least run the offense and with his defense then i'd be fine with him over DSJ. I did really like what K.Allen showed in his time with us but we don't know if he's one of those guys that played well because he was playing on a bad team or if he could do what he did for us on a good team to because if he can then i'm definitely down with having him playing some PG.

Frank doesn't have a problem running the offense and getting the right man the ball. His problem has always been aggression to get his own and knocking down open shots. Smith needs the ball to be effective and players around him to space the floor. Both bring something different to the table and have a place here. Assuming we get Barrett, Frank can be an effective off ball defender to pair with him and DSJ can be an effective 6th man that can either run next to Kyrie or handle the PG duties.

I agree with everything besides saying Frank can run the offense. He looks scared on offense especially when he gets the ball. All he does is stand around the 3 point line and looks to get that ball out of his hands as fast as he possibly can. Not saying he can't learn to cause he is young and hasn't played much but i'm definitely not seeing whatever it is you're seeing.

[mpharris36]

His ortg is off the charts in his return. It isn't solely on his defense.

agreed but he also came into the league when he was 23...he's 26 now.

Frank is 20. I'm not saying Frank is even near those levels but its how I would like to see him developed as. Brogden can't be a main distributor but he plays off stars well because he can play both on and off ball and defend multiple positions well. Versatility at its finest

Brog is a highly efficient scorer. He's always been this way. He certainly can defend well, but that's not why he is as important as he is. This comparison honestly isn't fair for Frank.

im honestly not comparing him. I'm saying truly if we can develop him this is what I can see he might have a similar impact and where the league is trending. Bigger guards that can guard multiple positions and can play on and off. Don't get me wrong the way Franks offense has been lately he has a long way to get to those levels offensively and he may never get to that specific level. But people were happy with what Josh Okogie brought to the table as the 20th pick and he has very little offensive skills. I think when you put a team together of better offensive players and we would be acquiring 2 of the best potentially in the offseason you might start seeing the benefit of guys with different skills sets.

[mpharris36]

knox hit the 3 at a decent clip post all-star. 35 percent. he becomes passable on defense and he can be a role player at the very least.

another guy that went from having to do a lot to now being able to focus on a few areas where he can improve from.

His catch and shoot wasn't that atrocious. Better players = more open shots = better shooting %

[mpharris36]

Ish Smith? That's baiting.

thats a reach but thats a low end change of pace PG you can have come off the bench and can live with IMO. They exist all over the

[Thugger HBC]

agreed but he also came into the league when he was 23...he's 26 now.

Frank is 20. I'm not saying Frank is even near those levels but its how I would like to see him developed as. Brogden can't be a main distributor but he plays off stars well because he can play both on and off ball and defend multiple positions well. Versatility at its finest

Brog is a highly efficient scorer. He's always been this way. He certainly can defend well, but that's not why he is as important as he is. This comparison honestly isn't fair for Frank.

im honestly not comparing him. I'm saying truly if we can develop him this is what I can see he might have a similar impact and where the league is trending. Bigger guards that can guard multiple positions and can play on and off. Don't get me wrong the way Franks offense has been lately he has a long way to get to those levels offensively and he may never get to that specific level. But people were happy with what Josh Okogie brought to the table as the 20th pick and he has very little offensive skills. I think when you put a team together of better offensive players and we would be acquiring 2 of the best potentially in the offseason you might start seeing the benefit of guys with different skills sets.

We're trading Frank, no need to discuss this.

[mpharris36]

Brog is a highly efficient scorer. He's always been this way. He certainly can defend well, but that's not why he is as important as he is. This comparison honestly isn't fair for Frank.

im honestly not comparing him. I'm saying truly if we can develop him this is what I can see he might have a similar impact and where the league is trending. Bigger guards that can guard multiple positions and can play on and off. Don't get me wrong the way Franks offense has been lately he has a long way to get to those levels offensively and he may never get to that specific level. But people were happy with what Josh Okogie brought to the table as the 20th pick and he has very little offensive skills. I think when you put a team together of better offensive players and we would be acquiring 2 of the best potentially in the offseason you might start seeing the benefit of guys with different skills sets.

We're trading Frank, no need to discuss this.

i believe our guys are smarter then that but we shall see

[Polk377]

You're also assuming Kyrie stays healthy. I'm not a big DSJ fan but if Kyrie did go down then i'd feel much better if we had DSJ ready to come in the game over Frank. I love Frank and that Frank has the defense and can guard at least 3 positions but i don't trust him to run an offense. I wouldn't even care if he didn't get his shot better if he could at least run the offense and with his defense then i'd be fine with him over DSJ. I did really like what K.Allen showed in his time with us but we don't know if he's one of those guys that played well because he was playing on a bad team or if he could do what he did for us on a good team to because if he can then i'm definitely down with having him playing some PG.

Frank doesn't have a problem running the offense and getting the right man the ball. His problem has always been aggression to get his own and knocking down open shots. Smith needs the ball to be effective and players around him to space the floor. Both bring something different to the table and have a place here. Assuming we get Barrett, Frank can be an effective off ball defender to pair with him and DSJ can be an effective 6th man that can either run next to Kyrie or handle the PG duties.

I agree with everything besides saying Frank can run the offense. He looks scared on offense especially when he gets the ball. All he does is stand around the 3 point line and looks to get that ball out of his hands as fast as he possibly can. Not saying he can't learn to cause he is young and hasn't played much but i'm definitely not seeing whatever it is you're seeing.

He isn't looking to get his own so he isn't standing around dribbling the ball. He puts the ball in motion and looks to get the ball to the open man. Dribbling the ball for 24 seconds isn't running an offense.

[Thugger HBC]

im honestly not comparing him. I'm saying truly if we can develop him this is what I can see he might have a similar impact and where the league is trending. Bigger guards that can guard multiple positions and can play on and off. Don't get me wrong the way Franks offense has been lately he has a long way to get to those levels offensively and he may never get to that specific level. But people were happy with what Josh Okogie brought to the table as the 20th pick and he has very little offensive skills. I think when you put a team together of better offensive players and we would be acquiring 2 of the best potentially in the offseason you might start seeing the benefit of guys with different skills sets.

We're trading Frank, no need to discuss this.

i believe our guys are smarter then that but we shall see

Too many signs and rumors predict otherwise. Frank is pretty much gone.