Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[SelbyCobra]

We better win the summer league championship this year with RJ and Mitch

Not sure Mitch will play SL next year. Not sure we need him to because he proved himself legit last year and don't wanna take any injury chances with him. Maybe he will but i don't think he will.

He has already said he is (and is going to be taking threes).

[KnixinSix]

We're trading Frank, no need to discuss this.

i believe our guys are smarter then that but we shall see

Too many signs and rumors predict otherwise. Frank is pretty much gone.

Pels may have made it clear they have no interest in him in the deal.

[Thugger HBC]

i believe our guys are smarter then that but we shall see

Too many signs and rumors predict otherwise. Frank is pretty much gone.

Pels may have made it clear they have no interest in him in the deal.

His salary is needed to make a trade work.

[Richard4444]

I would be very surprised if Frank stays after draft night.

Now, we are U$2M short to keep Dotson and Trier.

I think we will trade Frank at draft night for 1 or 2 Second Round Pick.

If Frank is gone, will have space to sign Trier and make a aditional U$ 2,2M cap space to sign cheap contracts.

[KnixinSix]

Too many signs and rumors predict otherwise. Frank is pretty much gone.

Pels may have made it clear they have no interest in him in the deal.

His salary is needed to make a trade work.

It would seem that way but possibly Thomas can be included or a few lower salary guys like Jenkins, Allen, Ellenson etc.

I don't see them trying to trade him away and losing the opportunity to trade for AD all of a sudden like that.

[Thugger HBC]

Pels may have made it clear they have no interest in him in the deal.

His salary is needed to make a trade work.

It would seem that way but possibly Thomas can be included or a few lower salary guys like Jenkins, Allen, Ellenson etc.

I don't see them trying to trade him away and losing the opportunity to trade for AD all of a sudden like that.

I don't think he's traded before they use the cap space, unless it's for assets to be included in such a potential deal.

[mpharris36]

We're trading Frank, no need to discuss this.

i believe our guys are smarter then that but we shall see

Too many signs and rumors predict otherwise. Frank is pretty much gone.

i mean the only guy to really report frank is on the block is berman. Begley who is more in tune hasnt. We shall see.

Perry is all about value. Trading a 20 year old lottery pick at his lowest value isn't shroud management. At least not in my eyes. If you can get good value for him then so be it...move him...but I don't believe you can at this point.

Most of our young players haven't performed but they are young. Frank more so especially on the offensive end. But knox, dsj time here the lottery picks haven't been impressive. The 2nd rounders and undrafted guys have actually performed better (mitch/trier). Dotson was solid as well I guess.

but overall I would personally like to see them all in there new roles before we sold them for well below value.

whatever happens I do trust perry until he does something stupid.

[Worst_to_First]

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I can’t see any possible trades with the Cavs unless they are willing to do unprotected pick swaps.

[awy]

lmao trade rj to cavs for 2 future firsts lmao

[thebuzzardman]

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Ah, a conjecture article based on a conjecture piece by Berman, with no source.

Not that I disagree, this will probably happen. Just the above isn't journalism. It's just rehashing another another hack's piece.

[Juggynaut]

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I can’t see any possible trades with the Cavs unless they are willing to do unprotected pick swaps.

#3 for #5, top 5 protected 2020, and #26.

Would be a solid offer and similar to the Luka draft trade deal.

[Worst_to_First]

That would make some sense. they seem to really like Trier and Dotson. If you can get a pick for Frank, that's a plus as well.

I mean, I get it, between the 3 SGs on our roster he is the worst overall and most expensive

I just think it's a mistake trading someone that versatile defensively who is already really good on that side of the ball. If he had a consistent 3 pointer, he'd be a starter on most teams

I trust Perry's ability to make trades, and he gets a lot more leeway in the sense that he hit twice on 2nds/undrafted guys last year, so obviously I hope who we draft is better but I don't like it right now

The Spurs have the 19th and 29th picks.

For Frank’s sake I want to see him go to San Antonio.

[thebuzzardman]

That would make some sense. they seem to really like Trier and Dotson. If you can get a pick for Frank, that's a plus as well.

If they trade DSJr, which seems to be necessary to get AD, who is the backup PG? Kadeem Allen? I mean, he played well, but wouldn't the Knicks want to retain a backup PG with a little more upside?

[Thugger HBC]

i believe our guys are smarter then that but we shall see

Too many signs and rumors predict otherwise. Frank is pretty much gone.

i mean the only guy to really report frank is on the block is berman. Begley who is more in tune hasnt. We shall see.

Perry is all about value. Trading a 20 year old lottery pick at his lowest value isn't shroud management. At least not in my eyes. If you can get good value for him then so be it...move him...but I don't believe you can at this point.

Most of our young players haven't performed but they are young. Frank more so especially on the offensive end. But knox, dsj time here the lottery picks haven't been impressive. The 2nd rounders and undrafted guys have actually performed better (mitch/trier). Dotson was solid as well I guess.

but overall I would personally like to see them all in there new roles before we sold them for well below value.

whatever happens I do trust perry until he does something stupid.

I'm not really referring to trades rumors totally, just in the front office time here. They've acquired numerous guards via trades, g-league etc, and spent this season draft pick on a forward, and free agency of a wing player as well. Frank may still be here, but it's seems more of a formality of an eventual exit. The good is they haven't gifted him to anyone, but then imo they may value the contract s much if not more than the player.

[awy]

What is wrong with you? You have real RJ issues and need help. The fact you rate Beal so high is another symptom. The guy is Eric Gordon. Good, but not a top 2 on a championship team. RJ has a single concerning weakness, and that is his jumper. Wade shot UNDER 30% for most of his career and finished at 29%. He was 32 and 35% in college at 21 and 22 years old. Obviously your analytical skills and objectivity is severely lacking. BY ALL accounts, RJ has a very real possibility to be the best player in the draft.

RJ has no elite level nba skills or tools. i dont rate beal that highly but he’s far more impactful than rj on a good team.

only delusional people think rj will be the best player from this draft.

Very few people have elite NBA skills coming in. Usually, the best have one ready skill and the potential to develop others. RJ has several to be honed. Unless you just haven't been paying attention, RJ was considered the consensus #1 until about a third of the way through the year and then #2. Ja blew up at the end and the fact that he and RJ are considered about equal in terms of potential says a lot. Zion is exciting and spectacular but he is no lock to be a perennial allstar, especially since it's his uncommon athleticism that sets him apart. He doesn't create his own shot and....lets just agree to disagree. I am thrilled to have either Ja or RJ. Both will be allstars.

zion has like a 95 percentile ppp on isos and pnr ballhandler possessions. k just didnt let him handle.

rj is below average on isos and about 60% on pnrs which isnt great when you are running it with zion

[thebuzzardman]

If it's about money, it comes down to him vs DSJ or Knox

I understand why they'd get rid of him over them, Knox has the highest potential out of them and is Perry's own pick and it looks bad on you if you dump a guy you drafted 9th overall one year prior

If we knew Kyrie or Kemba were coming, it'd make more sense to trade DSJ as he'd be redundant and can't really play together with them, but we don't know for sure on draft night

So logically that leaves you with Frank. It makes sense, I just don't like it personally

i don't think they view frank as a starter so either one would be coming off the bench in that scenario

But Frank would provide more versatility off the bench in that scenario cause you can play him next to anybody at any position, whereas DSJ would only really be effective when Kyrie/Kemba aren't on the court at the same time as him

This is where I fall, dependent on Frank tightening up his jumper. He could give spot minutes at 1,2,3, or at least defend those positions and open up the substitution pattern. Also, I'd figure the Pels are asking for DSJr and Knox along with RJ - because DSJr is better than Frank, and also I believe his salary (or Franks) is needed in the deal.

So, I'm also aware this is my opinion and might not be the FO's, but I see a few variables in play. Are the Knicks trading for AD? Who do the Pels want - would it be an either or of Knox or DSJr (I say it's both)? If the AREN'T trading for AD, Frank might be moved to give all the $ that Durant and Kyrie want and any sort of pick isn't $. There is also a consideration that although I think Frank provides flexibility behind 1,2,3 for defense etc, the Knicks might value DSJr behind Kyrie, even if it's in a reduced role for a season or two.

[Richard4444]

That would make some sense. they seem to really like Trier and Dotson. If you can get a pick for Frank, that's a plus as well.

If they trade DSJr, which seems to be necessary to get AD, who is the backup PG? Kadeem Allen? I mean, he played well, but wouldn't the Knicks want to retain a backup PG with a little more upside?

Frank is not a PG. He dont have the handling, agressive, leadership skills, emotional control to be a PG. His vision and passing are good but overrated. He could be a good wing.

[Worst_to_First]

RJ will have a good shot in challenging Zion for ROY if he ends up with the Cavs. He is also a good fit with Sexton.

[eagle54]

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I can’t see any possible trades with the Cavs unless they are willing to do unprotected pick swaps.

#3 for #5, top 5 protected 2020, and #26.

Would be a solid offer and similar to the Luka draft trade deal.

No thanks, keep RJ , pick 5 it's not the same level and the protection is bad for us.

[HerSports85]

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