Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Worst_to_First]

Sounds like the Hawks are locked in on Cam Reddish

Cam Reddish and Jaxson Hayes should be their targets.

I don’t think they should be the ones going for Bol Bol. Collins is not a Center and I think Hayes complement him better.

I don't think Cam is there at 8.

I think with the way the lottery played out Cam can be there at 8 if he is ranked last among fellow wings like Hunter and Culver and if the top 3 PGs all go in front of him.

I think with the way the lottery played out there is a chance Cam could fall to 8. It depends on how he stacks against his fellow wings like Hunter and Culver and if the 3 top PG’s in the draft go in front of him.

[Capn'O]

Been hyping him up since last summer. If the Knicks decided to trade down for him I wouldn’t even be mad. Dude is a nasty scorer

Earlier in the season I couldn’t bring myself to get enamored with Culver as I believe lower ranked guys like KPJr and Langford were the ones with abilities that could translate to the NBA.

Culver’s lack of burst on top of his inconsistent shooting worries me in terms of his potential to be a great player in the league.

Culver reminds me of Frank. I would not trade down for him. I’ll be pretty mad if we did.

How do you feel about RJ still? He is growing on me a little bit. He is still a very flawed player but I am starting to see some star potential in him. His FIBA tape makes him look like a god

Culver is more like SGA, who is a bit like Frank in that he is long, limited burst, heady beyond his years, and can make good reads on both ends but unlike Frank also knows how to get his own offense and doesn't turn into a pumpkin all the time. I'm VERY high on Culver but definitely don't see an elite ceiling. He's just very likely to hit a high outcome. If Little or Porter had his head for the game they'd be at the top of the draft.

[jermsknicks]

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Let the kid go somewhere where he can be a ball mover and great defender. People don’t appreciate him here. I see his impact but all people see is scoring. It will be a huge mistake.

Then all we will hear is knicks defense this Knicks defense that.

Appreciate? He wasn't on the court long enough last year to appreciate. It was a big problem we had to throw Mudiay and Allen out there instead of him. It was like everyone was developing around him while he sat. He had the one good game vs the Warriors and fans were expecting more after that.

I don't want to lose him for nothing, but let's not act like he earned any minutes off of last year's season.

Is anyone against him playing in the summer league again? He should be headed back if he stays on our roster.

[WargamesX]

Cam Reddish and Jaxson Hayes should be their targets.

I don’t think they should be the ones going for Bol Bol. Collins is not a Center and I think Hayes complement him better.

I don't think Cam is there at 8.

I think with the way the lottery played out Cam can be there at 8 if he is ranked last among fellow wings like Hunter and Culver and if the top 3 PGs all go in front of him.

I think with the way the lottery played out there is a chance Cam could fall to 8. It depends on how he stacks against his fellow wings like Hunter and Culver and if the 3 top PG’s in the draft go in front of him.

I think based on his ability shining the most in workouts and his potential some team will take him before 8. You are right he's going to have to show out compared to his fellow players.

[Knick4Real]

$1 Million? Oh hell naw, more like $75 mil. RJ actually has more skill than Zion, Zion is just a Athletic freak of nature. People talk about RJ not being able to shoot, well Zion can't shoot past three feet. I was an RJ > Zion stan half the season and felt that Coach K was making him the #1 option for a reason. Coach K was putting the ball in RJ's hands and allowing him to run the team.

Don't get caught up on numbers in an analogy, especially since it has nothing to do with the actual players.

The point was, we were hoping to win the grand prize and we didn't. People have a right to be disappointed.

Oh I know bro and I understand why people were upset, but I'm sorry if my company came to me and said hey you have a 14% of becoming CEO of our company (I work for AT&T) or 12.7% chance of becoming a supervisor do you think I should be excited?

I have no idea if you "personally" would be excited.

However, I "personally" wouldn't blame you if you were disappointed.

[Worst_to_First]

I don't think Cam is there at 8.

I think with the way the lottery played out Cam can be there at 8 if he is ranked last among fellow wings like Hunter and Culver and if the top 3 PGs all go in front of him.

I think with the way the lottery played out there is a chance Cam could fall to 8. It depends on how he stacks against his fellow wings like Hunter and Culver and if the 3 top PG’s in the draft go in front of him.

I think based on his ability shining the most in workouts and his potential some team will take him before 8. You are right he's going to have to show out compared to his fellow players.

I forgot that Brandon Clarke at the 6th pick to Phoenix is a possibility as well.

[DowNY]

I’d love to know how we would trade for AD (after signing 2 max players) without the contract of Frank to throw in it.

Would we keep Lance as the salary trade bait?

[Worst_to_First]

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Yeah I guess this is what separates Garland from White in terms of PG prospect rankings.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Yeah I guess this is what separates Garland from White in terms of PG prospect rankings.

For me, that catch and shoot is encouraging. That's the skill he'll most likely need if he plays with any other star. The other thing that encourages me about White is his size. He seems above average for a guard and that should allow him to switch and stay on the floor more and not get hunted down.

[symbiotic]

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How I feel about the people tripping about the lottery after getting #3.

This video is stupid!

I don't know many fans who were actually bashing RJ the player or whoever lands at #3. The "tripping" came from us never getting a break for so long and getting SO CLOSE to finally being in the driver's seat (with #1) only to get disappointed yet again.

Sure, the #3 pick is still good and way better than #5 or anywhere else we could have landed. However, if I had a chance to win a $100 million grand prize but ended up only winning 3rd place with $1 million, of course, $1 million is still very good and better than nothing -- but I'm still gonna be disappointed I didn't win the grand prize. It's only natural.

To call fans "clowns" for being disappointed and not jumping for joy over the #3 pick as quick as some were able to do is stupid.

So RJ Barrett is only 1% as good as Zion Williamson??? That's a little harsh, no?

[Worst_to_First]

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Yeah I guess this is what separates Garland from White in terms of PG prospect rankings.

For me, that catch and shoot is encouraging. That's the skill he'll most likely need if he plays with any other star. The other thing that encourages me about White is his size. He seems above average for a guard and that should allow him to switch and stay on the floor more and not get hunted down.

In my ideal two-PG lineups I would like to have Coby White at the 2 and function as secondary playmaker if need be.

[Worst_to_First]

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Wait RJ Barrett is projected to have the finishing ability of James Harden, the passing ability of Jalen Rose and the isolation prowess of Carmelo Anthony?

How the heck is this kid not going #1?

[TBri1974]

I'm getting on the Barrett bandwagon. Draft Barrett and trade DSJ for a PF who plays defense, can get up and down the court and hit a decent shot to open things up for Mitch, Knox and Barrett down under.

Frankly, I am already excited by a lineup of:
Frank/Trier
Barrett/Dotson/Trier
Knox/Barrett
PF (?)
Mitch/Kornet

You slide Dotson into the starter position, Barrett to SF and Knox to PF to play small ball.

I respectfully think you've got all these guys playing out of position with the exception of Mitch.

Frank doesn't have the ball-handling skills nor the ability to make quick decisions to play PG. He's a SG through and through. As is Zo.

I think Barrett with his size and current lack of outside shooting would better off playing SF. And Knox doesn't have the foot speed to hang with most NBA wings, defensively or offensively. I think he's a small-ball 4.

Not that positions really matter, but skillsets define roles and balance is key. I don't think these guys have the skillset to play together the way to you put this line-up together, especially in the pace-and-space era.

I disagree, but I respect your opinion. Alternatively we keep DSJ, move the lineup to:

DSJ/Frank/Trier
Dotson/Frank/Trier
Barret/Dotson
Knox/
Mitch/Kornet

And figure out how to use our FA money to bring in young players with high upside on cap friendly deals, hoping to strike gold. I liked the 1st lineup better, because Knox is the only one with questionable defense. If we play the above, we are subpar on defense at the PG and PF slots.

[TBri1974]

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Wait RJ Barrett is projected to have the finishing ability of James Harden, the passing ability of Jalen Rose and the isolation prowess of Carmelo Anthony?

How the heck is this kid not going #1?

Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything, but the comparisons of Zion are not nearly as flattering as those given to Barrett and Ja Morant. I think Zion is a lot more like a young Larry Johnson with a little Lebron court vision mixed in than Rodney Rogers and Lamar Odom (although that Rogers comparison coms up often as someone with size and athleticism).

[thebuzzardman]

So, let's talk a bit about RJ, in terms of his projection and some perceived or real flaws.

I'm not going to go into every perceived flaw - that his shooting could be better or decision making or going right, but one specific area/s.

So, something of a knock on RJ is he's more straight line athleticism who lacks wiggle, which would keep him from being elite and the straight line athleticism would be more easily countered at the NBA level. I'd assume for now I THINK it could be added that if his jumper is inconsistent, teams would also play off him, so that's an extra step for the defender to counter that athleticism, plus the obvious that there are more tall, fast, strong guys in the NBA.

As an aside, while I see that lack of wiggle that Spencer and others have referred to, as well as being shot happy at times, one video pointed out that RJ has a really good, long 2nd stride he uses creatively, with explosion, with a euro step. I think that move alone bodes well he's not busting at the NBA level, along with being 6'7" and really athletic and a decent all around game. I get the arguments over how high his potential, ceiling vs floor etc, but not a bust. That's crazy talk.

Anyway, here's the question to those good amateur scouts on here and people with a better long term memory about player attributes:

"Have any low wiggle, straight line scoring wing ever had a very good NBA career? I guess we can narrow it to guards, as I figure RJ would play the 2 on the Knicks"

"Has any low wiggle player developed it after a few years? By the time a guy reaches the NBA, even if as young as 18/19, is that more good court vision - either you have it by now or you don't"

Just a little discussion around RJ, with the assumption the Knicks draft him and don't trade him away - which I have no idea what happens, and would be happy with the right kind of AD trade and happy without AD

[br7knicks]

i wanna learn more about hunter. best perimeter defender in the draft?

[KnixinSix]

So, let's talk a bit about RJ, in terms of his projection and some perceived or real flaws.

I'm not going to go into every perceived flaw - that his shooting could be better or decision making or going right, but one specific area/s.

So, something of a knock on RJ is he's more straight line athleticism who lacks wiggle, which would keep him from being elite and the straight line athleticism would be more easily countered at the NBA level. I'd assume for now I THINK it could be added that if his jumper is inconsistent, teams would also play off him, so that's an extra step for the defender to counter that athleticism, plus the obvious that there are more tall, fast, strong guys in the NBA.

As an aside, while I see that lack of wiggle that Spencer and others have referred to, as well as being shot happy at times, one video pointed out that RJ has a really good, long 2nd stride he uses creatively, with explosion, with a euro step. I think that move alone bodes well he's not busting at the NBA level, along with being 6'7" and really athletic and a decent all around game. I get the arguments over how high his potential, ceiling vs floor etc, but not a bust. That's crazy talk.

Anyway, here's the question to those good amateur scouts on here and people with a better long term memory about player attributes:

"Have any low wiggle, straight line scoring wing ever had a very good NBA career? I guess we can narrow it to guards, as I figure RJ would play the 2 on the Knicks"

"Has any low wiggle player developed it after a few years? By the time a guy reaches the NBA, even if as young as 18/19, is that more good court vision - either you have it by now or you don't"

Just a little discussion around RJ, with the assumption the Knicks draft him and don't trade him away - which I have no idea what happens, and would be happy with the right kind of AD trade and happy without AD

If they have a really explosive first step and drive it can compensate. Harden in my opinion is kind of like this. He isnt a shifty jitterbug like Iverson or Westbrook.

[whocares1]

So, let's talk a bit about RJ, in terms of his projection and some perceived or real flaws.

I'm not going to go into every perceived flaw - that his shooting could be better or decision making or going right, but one specific area/s.

So, something of a knock on RJ is he's more straight line athleticism who lacks wiggle, which would keep him from being elite and the straight line athleticism would be more easily countered at the NBA level. I'd assume for now I THINK it could be added that if his jumper is inconsistent, teams would also play off him, so that's an extra step for the defender to counter that athleticism, plus the obvious that there are more tall, fast, strong guys in the NBA.

As an aside, while I see that lack of wiggle that Spencer and others have referred to, as well as being shot happy at times, one video pointed out that RJ has a really good, long 2nd stride he uses creatively, with explosion, with a euro step. I think that move alone bodes well he's not busting at the NBA level, along with being 6'7" and really athletic and a decent all around game. I get the arguments over how high his potential, ceiling vs floor etc, but not a bust. That's crazy talk.

Anyway, here's the question to those good amateur scouts on here and people with a better long term memory about player attributes:

"Have any low wiggle, straight line scoring wing ever had a very good NBA career? I guess we can narrow it to guards, as I figure RJ would play the 2 on the Knicks"

"Has any low wiggle player developed it after a few years? By the time a guy reaches the NBA, even if as young as 18/19, is that more good court vision - either you have it by now or you don't"

Just a little discussion around RJ, with the assumption the Knicks draft him and don't trade him away - which I have no idea what happens, and would be happy with the right kind of AD trade and happy without AD

I can’t think of any “low wiggle” players that have succeeded unless they added something to their game like a long range shot or some isolation dribble moves to create space. He will benefit from the increased pace + his reputation for going to rim will get him some whistles.

[br7knicks]

If they trade DSJr, which seems to be necessary to get AD, who is the backup PG? Kadeem Allen? I mean, he played well, but wouldn't the Knicks want to retain a backup PG with a little more upside?

Frank is not a PG. He dont have the handling, agressive, leadership skills, emotional control to be a PG. His vision and passing are good but overrated. He could be a good wing.

He can defend PG better than the other PG's, except maybe Kadeem, who let's call equal. There are reasons the team might retain him, even on a KD etc squad. There are reasons they would trade him.

I'd agree the FO has shown signs they'll probably trade him. Add all the different factors together, and trading him for a low first pick seems likely - it frees up money, still brings back an asset. It's a way of recouping a pick if picks to to the Pels; or to even add to the deal instead of another - based on timing.

i want to keep frank.

but i definitely want to keep allen. he was one of the few knicks who DESERVES to be brought back. and as a backup PG, i'd rather not have a young guy who wants upside. i want a smart, hustling, established PG who can run the second unit where there are no stars.

allen was a better perimeter defender than frank, too. he was smarter, and not overly aggressive. frank would also check out, mentally, whereas allen was gung-ho and played angry. knicks need more guys like that.

you don't need an all-star at every position, and an all-star at every position on the bench

[F N 11]

Been saying RJ from day one. Dude is not only a good ball player he’s a leader/ Alpha and we need that.