Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Thugger HBC]

Frank makes life easier for everyone around him on the defensive end especially Mitchell.

The Knicks had success a few years ago when they had Iman defending the perimeter and Tyson defending the paint.

You're not going to be successful if you don't have anyone to put up a resistance on the opposing team's backcourt, if you choose to have 4 offensive-minded players on the court, and Mitchell having to clean up the mess.

I don't see any playoff teams featuring lineups such as this. A player defense doesn't matter much if they cannot be a threat to score.

Even Mitch will have to demonstrate a jumper.

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Iggy barely plays.

[Clyde_Style]

I don't see any playoff teams featuring lineups such as this. A player defense doesn't matter much if they cannot be a threat to score.

Even Mitch will have to demonstrate a jumper.

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Iggy barely plays.

And Steph can play team defense and affect the passing lanes without being an elite on ball defender

[DowNY]

I'll trade them DSJ, Frank and the #3 pick for C.Sexton, #5 and #26.

Maybe just one of DSJ or Frank but would probably do both.

Then i draft RJ Hunter at #5.

That’s a horrible trade.
I wouldn’t even take 5 & Sexton for 3 by itself. Cavs are the ones desperate, not the Knicks.

The Knicks aren't desperate? They won't be if the offseason works out for them but they're pretty desperate especially after our last couple of 1st round picks haven't been good. The jury is still out on Knox but if it's only offense we get from him and no defense then i don't consider that a great pick unless his offense becomes great and is more then just shooting 3's.

No, Knicks aren’t desperate. Regardless of how the summer goes. The Cavs have the contracts of Love, Tristian Thompson & Clarkson to name a few. Knicks have waaaaaay more flexibility and options. There’s no desperation or panic in that. Cavs can only build through the draft, even if they had cap space (which they don’t)

[N Y K]

Frank makes life easier for everyone around him on the defensive end especially Mitchell.

The Knicks had success a few years ago when they had Iman defending the perimeter and Tyson defending the paint.

You're not going to be successful if you don't have anyone to put up a resistance on the opposing team's backcourt, if you choose to have 4 offensive-minded players on the court, and Mitchell having to clean up the mess.

I don't see any playoff teams featuring lineups such as this. A player defense doesn't matter much if they cannot be a threat to score.

Even Mitch will have to demonstrate a jumper.

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Is that all Iggy does though?

[DrCoach]

I don't see any playoff teams featuring lineups such as this. A player defense doesn't matter much if they cannot be a threat to score.

Even Mitch will have to demonstrate a jumper.

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Iggy barely plays.

Iggy won the game by locking up Lilliard

[Jay10]

I don't see any playoff teams featuring lineups such as this. A player defense doesn't matter much if they cannot be a threat to score.

Even Mitch will have to demonstrate a jumper.

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Iggy barely plays.

Barely plays?

That man has been playing 30+ minutes throughout the playoffs, and last night only played 17 mins probably because of the cheap shot by Chris Paul from a few games ago to the back of his left leg after effects.

[decor17]

What is it that makes people so high on RJ's ceiling? He's got so many problems with things that players generally don't improve on. His BBIQ isn't great, his defensive awareness is poor, not a great motor on D, he gets no steals / blocks, indicating no anticipation - all red flags for a path to stardom. Has there ever been a wing worth maxing that wasn't an all-NBA defender? What exactly is this guy going to look like in people's dream scenario?

He's got an eventual high floor as a volume scorer, but that isn't what we need (nor does anyone in a salary-cap league). If we whiff on FA's then we need a potential superstar. If we get KD, then we need players who can actually support our superstars (efficiency & defense).

The only way I'd be satisfied with RJ is if we use him as a trade piece. So I won't panic if/when we pick him in the draft, but if we actually decide to keep him... Guess I had good reason to be worried when we got that #3 pick.

[Jay10]

I don't see any playoff teams featuring lineups such as this. A player defense doesn't matter much if they cannot be a threat to score.

Even Mitch will have to demonstrate a jumper.

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Is that all Iggy does though?

That's his main job. His job is to stop Harden, Lillard, and McCollum from getting a switch where Steph is defending them.

[Thugger HBC]

Iggy is hiding Steph's weakness against the Trailblazers, and he also did it against the Rockets.

Iggy barely plays.

Barely plays?

That man has been playing 30+ minutes throughout the playoffs, and last night only played 17 mins probably because of the cheap shot by Chris Paul from a few games ago to the back of his left leg after effects.

Because he doesn't play much in the regular season, that's the point. Iggy is literally saved for the postseason, and even with that Iggy isn't in the top 5 why GS is what they are. hasn't been for a while, but when he is contributing he does more than defend.

[N Y K]

What is it that makes people so high on RJ's ceiling? He's got so many problems with things that players generally don't improve on. His BBIQ isn't great, his defensive awareness is poor, not a great motor on D, he gets no steals / blocks, indicating no anticipation - all red flags for a path to stardom. Has there ever been a wing worth maxing that wasn't an all-NBA defender? What exactly is this guy going to look like in people's dream scenario?

He's got an eventual high floor as a volume scorer, but that isn't what we need (nor does anyone in a salary-cap league). If we whiff on FA's then we need a potential superstar. If we get KD, then we need players who can actually support our superstars (efficiency & defense).

The only way I'd be satisfied with RJ is if we use him as a trade piece. So I won't panic if/when we pick him in the draft, but if we actually decide to keep him... Guess I had good reason to be worried when we got that #3 pick.

Ok. You keep worrying.

[King of Canada]

I hope these rumours of us trading down go away. It’s likely just the same old NY media spin for clicks but god damn is it frustrating. Barrett is clearly the guy at the very least for trade value and beyond that as a piece to a slow rebuild.

Well there are some whispers of us being high on Reddish also so take that for what it's worth

I take solace in the tight lippidness of the FO to date

[Jay10]

Iggy barely plays.

Barely plays?

That man has been playing 30+ minutes throughout the playoffs, and last night only played 17 mins probably because of the cheap shot by Chris Paul from a few games ago to the back of his left leg after effects.

Because he doesn't play much in the regular season, that's the point. Iggy is literally saved for the postseason, and even with that Iggy isn't in the top 5 why GS is what they are. hasn't been for a while, but when he is contributing he does more than defend.

Teams aren't attacking Curry on every possession during the regular season.
Iggy gets all his points on fast breaks.

[DowNY]

The funny part about that Mills footage is that he said things in a certain way. “We won’t trade assets for a player we can get for free down the line”.
We can’t get AD for free down the line if we sign 2 max players this year. So to get him, we would have to trade assets if we wanted a big 3.

[alphad0gz]

What is it that makes people so high on RJ's ceiling? He's got so many problems with things that players generally don't improve on. His BBIQ isn't great, his defensive awareness is poor, not a great motor on D, he gets no steals / blocks, indicating no anticipation - all red flags for a path to stardom. Has there ever been a wing worth maxing that wasn't an all-NBA defender? What exactly is this guy going to look like in people's dream scenario?

He's got an eventual high floor as a volume scorer, but that isn't what we need (nor does anyone in a salary-cap league). If we whiff on FA's then we need a potential superstar. If we get KD, then we need players who can actually support our superstars (efficiency & defense).

The only way I'd be satisfied with RJ is if we use him as a trade piece. So I won't panic if/when we pick him in the draft, but if we actually decide to keep him... Guess I had good reason to be worried when we got that #3 pick.

Do you watch any basketball at all?? You actually missed on every single point you feebly attempted to make. He makes mistakes most young players make. There is a reason he was the number 1 college player to start the season. You give NY fans a bad name......

[GONYK]

The funny part about that Mills footage is that he said things in a certain way. “We won’t trade assets for a player we can get for free down the line”.
We can’t get AD for free down the line if we sign 2 max players this year. So to get him, we would have to trade assets if we wanted a big 3.

He was talking about Jimmy Butler.

We would definitely make a move for AD.

26 year old elite 2 way players don't hit the market often.

[GONYK]

He doesn't have to as long as you have at least guy with him who can run a team and teams nowadays are looking for versatility and multiple guys who can do that. The guy I keep comparing him to is Eric Bledsoe, who pretty much had those same issues and concerns about his game especially early in his Clippers career and then in Phoenix. He lands in Milwaukee where they have the versatility and now he's a starting PG on a contender.

Well, regardless of our differing outlooks on Sexton, do you think he's worth trading down for?

It really depends and it's something to think about. I wouldn't dismiss it that quickly though. You gotta think, if Cavs offered the 5h pick and a future 1st, does that future 1st guarantee you a player better than Sexton? You might catch a break and land somebody better but then again you simply might not. There's a risk factor there, even if we can bank on Cavs being a lotto team next year with the way the odds are now there's no guarantee that you will be getting a great pick from them next year.


I wouldn't do it right now because I feel that RJ can still be a key component for an AD trade so for that main reason I wouldn't do it but if AD is no longer in our plans and we are sure that KD and Kyrie are on the way then yeah I gotta take into consideration Sexton as a 6th man and then look at guys like Reddish, Hunter, Culver and how they would fit with those guys.

Oh I'm very open to the idea of trading down.

It would require more unprotected draft capital though, for all the uncertainties you mentioned.

[alphad0gz]

If I'm AD, I play out the year and then chose where I want to go. If I'm NY and I get whispers of that, I don't sign Kyrie. You don't need a big "3" if you have a big "2" and a great supporting cast. I think that's probably even better. I just have visions of Kyrie getting hurt and we get stuck ala Amare'.

[Thugger HBC]

Barely plays?

That man has been playing 30+ minutes throughout the playoffs, and last night only played 17 mins probably because of the cheap shot by Chris Paul from a few games ago to the back of his left leg after effects.

Because he doesn't play much in the regular season, that's the point. Iggy is literally saved for the postseason, and even with that Iggy isn't in the top 5 why GS is what they are. hasn't been for a while, but when he is contributing he does more than defend.

Teams aren't attacking Curry on every possession during the regular season.
Iggy gets all his points on fast breaks.

The success Iggy is having is scheme related, always been been. Same reason why Curry looks remotely sufficient on defense.

Either way, i know you arent claiming GS success on Iggy. he's nowhere near the factor you're making him out to be, and even still Frank cant duplicate that anyway.

[newyorker4ever]

Trust the process yes!!!!

You seem to be good on the internet with going back and finding things so maybe you can help me out with something i asked on here yesterday and something i think we'd all be very interested to know?

So supposedly the Pels aren't interested in K.Knox so i want to know if that's just them playing with us to get us to up our offer and if they do really like K.Knox, or at least if D.Griffin does. So if i'm correct then D.Griffin was working for like ESPN or NBA TV last year and covering the draft and i'd like to find out what he had to say about K.Knox before the draft and after we drafted him to see if he did like him and think he had good/great upside but i'm not good on the computer and wouldn't know how to even go back and find those videos of what they were all saying about Knox. I think D.Griffin was actually on a panel covering the draft while it was going on and pretty sure it was for NBA TV but not 100 on that.

Here's one link that should help. click the video to the right of the knicks pick. Griffin analysis is the last portion of the video.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2018/board#/

Okay so Griffin basically said he's got the body type to be a good defender and already likes his shot but think he takes too many contested 2 point shots but says in a couple years he thinks Knicks fans will feel bad that they booed him. Sounds to me like Griffin believes the kid has a chance at being a good player so to go from that to now saying they aren't interested is just a ploy to get us to offer more in a trade for AD.

Thank you Thugger

[Jay10]

Because he doesn't play much in the regular season, that's the point. Iggy is literally saved for the postseason, and even with that Iggy isn't in the top 5 why GS is what they are. hasn't been for a while, but when he is contributing he does more than defend.

Teams aren't attacking Curry on every possession during the regular season.
Iggy gets all his points on fast breaks.

The success Iggy is having is scheme related, always been been. Same reason why Curry looks remotely sufficient on defense.

Either way, i know you arent claiming GS success on Iggy. he's nowhere near the factor you're making him out to be, and even still Frank cant duplicate that anyway.

He's a factor when he's defending the opposing team's back court.
Frank can't duplicate defending the opposing team's point guard and shooting guard?