Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[mpharris36]

So who do we like with our 55 pick?

Aubrey Dawkins. Especially if DSJ and Frank are included in any trades.

i like that name...really balled out. See him as a nice guard/forward off the bench.

[GONYK]

some youth? Mills might pull something similar to what the Knicks gave up for Carmelo.

The Knicks might end up with a soon to be 31 year old, a 26 year old, and a bunch of veterans, who might be one injury away from having to retire.

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

That extra slot is going to Kyrie.
Davis isn't Top 5 in the league

[iLLmatic860]

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

That extra slot is going to Kyrie.
Davis isn't Top 5 in the league

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[GONYK]

That extra slot is going to Kyrie.
Davis isn't Top 5 in the league

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Kawahi
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If we're taking age and defensive impact into account, the list gets reshuffled pretty quickly

[Thugger HBC]

As much as folks around here talk about defense, defense defense, y'all sure have no trouble throwing bad defenders in the top 5 with no regard or shame.

[DowNY]

Hahahaha that's pretty funny....wait a minute....are you serious?

I love D.Hunter and think he'll be really good and feel the same about D.Garland.

Yes, on both counts.

I don't even like DSJ, but Colin was barely an NBA player for most of last season. What has Sexton done to prove otherwise?

Here’s what I would do. I would consider trading 3 for 5 and 22. I would let the world know we are drafting Garland at 5 to scare Phoenix. And trade 5 for 6 with Phoenix with who would give us a heavily protected 2020 less protected 2021 and unprotected 2022. Draft pick.
That leaves us with both Dallas picks, a Phoenix pick number 6 and 22 in this years draft. I would offer 6 and 22 plus both Dallas picks and DSJ for AD.

Now we have Phoenix pick still as well as both of all our own. To draft young talent on a team of
Mitch
AD
KD
Dotson
Kyrie

That’s a dynasty right there for many years to come.


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Why in the world would Pelicans want 6 & 22 instead of 3? The whole selling point is that RJ can be someone who takes pressure off of Zion & also make the NBA transition more comfortable for Zion since they’re already friends and have chemistry. Not to mention, this draft is known to be a 3 man draft.

[KnixinSix]

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If we're taking age and defensive impact into account, the list gets reshuffled pretty quickly

True that.

[DowNY]

Dudes be trying to use NFL draft logic in the NBA. It really blows my mind.

[KnixinSix]

Yes, on both counts.

I don't even like DSJ, but Colin was barely an NBA player for most of last season. What has Sexton done to prove otherwise?

Here’s what I would do. I would consider trading 3 for 5 and 22. I would let the world know we are drafting Garland at 5 to scare Phoenix. And trade 5 for 6 with Phoenix with who would give us a heavily protected 2020 less protected 2021 and unprotected 2022. Draft pick.
That leaves us with both Dallas picks, a Phoenix pick number 6 and 22 in this years draft. I would offer 6 and 22 plus both Dallas picks and DSJ for AD.

Now we have Phoenix pick still as well as both of all our own. To draft young talent on a team of
Mitch
AD
KD
Dotson
Kyrie

That’s a dynasty right there for many years to come.


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Why in the world would Pelicans want 6 & 22 instead of 3? The whole selling point is that RJ can be someone who takes pressure off of Zion & also make the NBA transition more comfortable for Zion since they’re already friends and have chemistry. Not to mention, this draft is known to be a 3 man draft.

Salient points.

[bleedblue3303]

Yes, on both counts.

I don't even like DSJ, but Colin was barely an NBA player for most of last season. What has Sexton done to prove otherwise?

Here’s what I would do. I would consider trading 3 for 5 and 22. I would let the world know we are drafting Garland at 5 to scare Phoenix. And trade 5 for 6 with Phoenix with who would give us a heavily protected 2020 less protected 2021 and unprotected 2022. Draft pick.
That leaves us with both Dallas picks, a Phoenix pick number 6 and 22 in this years draft. I would offer 6 and 22 plus both Dallas picks and DSJ for AD.

Now we have Phoenix pick still as well as both of all our own. To draft young talent on a team of
Mitch
AD
KD
Dotson
Kyrie

That’s a dynasty right there for many years to come.


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Why in the world would Pelicans want 6 & 22 instead of 3? The whole selling point is that RJ can be someone who takes pressure off of Zion & also make the NBA transition more comfortable for Zion since they’re already friends and have chemistry. Not to mention, this draft is known to be a 3 man draft.

For the same reason Atlanta wanted multiple picks.


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[Chanel Bomber]

I do want to add, the context of Mills speaking on the podium in that video was in reference to Jimmy Butler specifically, whom is an upcoming free agent.

Unless, you don't believe the Knicks have had any discussions with the Pels, they will certainly up some youth and picks in such a deal.

some youth? Mills might pull something similar to what the Knicks gave up for Carmelo.

The Knicks might end up with a soon to be 31 year old, a 26 year old, and a bunch of veterans, who might be one injury away from having to retire.

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

I think there's a scenario where this ends in a way that's similar to the Melo trade.

Amar'e was an aging All-NBA player with health concerns. But he was considered one of the best players in the league at the time. Not on KD's level obviously, but he was All-NBA second team when he signed with the Knicks. He was younger than KD too.

I think we forget how good Melo was. AD is more efficient obviously, but on the other hand he doesn't have Melo's playmaking skills. I don't view AD as a top 5 player in the league. He doesn't have the consistent impact that Curry, Harden, KD, LeBron, Kawhi and I would argue Jokic, Lillard and Embiid have. I honestly believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think AD's a top 5 player. I'm not sure how he fits with Durant either. Sure they fit, but they won't make each other better at all.

Also the Knicks also had capspace after stretching Billups back then, and used it on Tyson Chandler who was a major free agent signing.

I respectfully think you're underestimating the risk behind the KD-AD strategy. I could pay dividends but it could also backfire worse than the Amar'e/Melo/Chandler moves. Especially when you consider KD's volatile character.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Heat fan here.

Watching that video where he says he is not going to trade draft picks, and that they won't change their plan for "something shiny" that comes up.... that's dumb as f.


Imagine if, in the summer of 2004, when Shaq became available.... Pat Riley said the same thing. At the time, the Heat had a plan too. We had a rookie Dwyane Wade making noise in the playoffs, a very young team of talent with guys like a young Caron Butler, Udonis Haslem, a young Lamar Odom, etc....

but Riley said oh hell naw... and got on the phone with the Lakers and traded half the team to get Shaq to Miami.

MIami paired Shaq with a then rookie Wade, and in Wade's 2nd year, they reach the ECF and go up 3-2 on the Pistons....and would have finished off the Pistons if not for a freak rib injury to Wade. That Miami team with a healthy Wade could have gone on to beat the Spurs too. The very next year, Miami wins the championship.

You telling me you don't change plans when a superstar franchise player of Anthony Davis' caliber shows up?

You trade whatever you have to trade to get AD in a Knicks uniform. ESPECIALLY when you have Kevin Durant looking around the league for a new team...

if the Knicks get Anthony Davis.... then you pretty much a lock to get Kevin Durant. KD + AD, and then you hype up the fact that the Knicks have not won a championship in 46 years.... so Kevin Durant can fix his rep by helping a "bad franchise" win a championship, ala Lebron with the Cavs.

[Mecca]

I'm all set. I want Culver or Garland and I'm straight.

[Zenzibar]

So who do we like with our 55 pick?

Aubrey Dawkins. Especially if DSJ and Frank are included in any trades.

i like that name...really balled out. See him as a nice guard/forward off the bench.

Absolutely MP.
He has great pedigree, a senior, a shot that's pure "Allan Houston-esques".
Would be solid in a role between the youngsters and the vets. Almost beat Duke by himself.

[Thugger HBC]

some youth? Mills might pull something similar to what the Knicks gave up for Carmelo.

The Knicks might end up with a soon to be 31 year old, a 26 year old, and a bunch of veterans, who might be one injury away from having to retire.

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

I think there's a scenario where this ends in a way that's similar to the Melo trade.

Amar'e was an aging All-NBA player with health concerns. But he was considered one of the best players in the league at the time. Not on KD's level obviously, but he was All-NBA second team when he signed with the Knicks. He was younger than KD too.

I think we forget how good Melo was. AD is more efficient obviously, but on the other hand he doesn't have Melo's playmaking skills. I don't view AD as a top 5 player in the league. He doesn't have the consistent impact that Curry, Harden, KD, LeBron, Kawhi and I would argue Jokic, Lillard and Embiid have. I honestly believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think AD's a top 5 player. I'm not sure how he fits with Durant too. Sure they fit, but they won't make each other better at all.

Also the Knicks also had capspace after stretching Billups back then, and used it on Tyson Chandler who was a major free agent signing.

I respectfully think you're underestimating the risk behind the KD-AD strategy. I could pay dividends but it could also backfire worse than the Amar'e/Melo/Chandler moves.

No offense but the large emphasizes a highly inaccurate post.

[GONYK]

some youth? Mills might pull something similar to what the Knicks gave up for Carmelo.

The Knicks might end up with a soon to be 31 year old, a 26 year old, and a bunch of veterans, who might be one injury away from having to retire.

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

I think there's a scenario where this ends in a way that's similar to the Melo trade.

Amar'e was an aging All-NBA player with health concerns. But he was considered one of the best players in the league at the time. Not on KD's level obviously, but he was All-NBA second team when he signed with the Knicks. He was younger than KD too.

I think we forget how good Melo was. AD is more efficient obviously, but on the other hand he doesn't have Melo's playmaking skills. I don't view AD as a top 5 player in the league. He doesn't have the consistent impact that Curry, Harden, KD, LeBron, Kawhi and I would argue Jokic, Lillard and Embiid have. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think AD's a top player. I'm not sure how he fits with Durant too. Sure they fit, but they won't make each other better at all.

Also the Knicks also had capspace after stretching Billups back then, and used it on Tyson Chandler who was a major free agent signing.

I respectfully think you're underestimating the risk behind the KD-AD strategy. I could pay dividends but it could also backfire worse than the Amar'e/Melo/Chandler moves.

Risks and all, it probably has a higher potential success rate than the alternative. It gives the Knicks an incredible foundation.

Pills could find ways to screw things up anyway, but that would be separate issues from whether or not KD and AD are true franchise level players that put you in the contention conversation.

[HEZI]

You guys are trippin man. Impact? AD is on a lotto team and they aren't a lotto team because of him. You saw what Lebron looked like when he went to the Lakers? The King of the East goes to a packed Western Conference and plays on a team that just isn't built to win and we saw the results. That can happen for all those star players you guys listed.

Curry on last years Knicks would make the Knicks look like what exactly? Lebron? Giannis? Harden? Kawhi?

We would still be a trash team, so their impact wouldn't be felt on a bad team regardless of how good they are. AD is an elite NBA player with incredible skills, it doesn't matter where you rank him in the top 5 or top 10 there is no ignoring his skills and the impact those skills can have if the team is built the right way around him, which the Pelicans very clearly were not.

[DowNY]

Here’s what I would do. I would consider trading 3 for 5 and 22. I would let the world know we are drafting Garland at 5 to scare Phoenix. And trade 5 for 6 with Phoenix with who would give us a heavily protected 2020 less protected 2021 and unprotected 2022. Draft pick.
That leaves us with both Dallas picks, a Phoenix pick number 6 and 22 in this years draft. I would offer 6 and 22 plus both Dallas picks and DSJ for AD.

Now we have Phoenix pick still as well as both of all our own. To draft young talent on a team of
Mitch
AD
KD
Dotson
Kyrie

That’s a dynasty right there for many years to come.


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Why in the world would Pelicans want 6 & 22 instead of 3? The whole selling point is that RJ can be someone who takes pressure off of Zion & also make the NBA transition more comfortable for Zion since they’re already friends and have chemistry. Not to mention, this draft is known to be a 3 man draft.

For the same reason Atlanta wanted multiple picks.


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Atlanta? What trade are you talking about? Luka?
The Mavs picks & ours should be enough.
Hawks and NO are in 2 different positions.
Hawks didn’t already have a #1 pick & damn sure don’t have a Jrue Holiday to trade separately.
We’re not trading for the #1 pick. We’re trading for a player that has a year left on his contract and brings leverage to only the Knicks and Lakers.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

some youth? Mills might pull something similar to what the Knicks gave up for Carmelo.

The Knicks might end up with a soon to be 31 year old, a 26 year old, and a bunch of veterans, who might be one injury away from having to retire.

That would give the Knicks 2 of the top 5 players in the league, with an additional max slot to build the team with another top 15 player or add some depth.

It's nowhere near the Melo trade.

I think there's a scenario where this ends in a way that's similar to the Melo trade.

Amar'e was an aging All-NBA player with health concerns. But he was considered one of the best players in the league at the time. Not on KD's level obviously, but he was All-NBA second team when he signed with the Knicks. He was younger than KD too.

I think we forget how good Melo was. AD is more efficient obviously, but on the other hand he doesn't have Melo's playmaking skills. I don't view AD as a top 5 player in the league. He doesn't have the consistent impact that Curry, Harden, KD, LeBron, Kawhi and I would argue Jokic, Lillard and Embiid have. I honestly believe you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think AD's a top 5 player. I'm not sure how he fits with Durant either. Sure they fit, but they won't make each other better at all.

Also the Knicks also had capspace after stretching Billups back then, and used it on Tyson Chandler who was a major free agent signing.

I respectfully think you're underestimating the risk behind the KD-AD strategy. I could pay dividends but it could also backfire worse than the Amar'e/Melo/Chandler moves. Especially when you consider KD's volatile character.

Amare Stoudemire, when he signed with the Knicks, was nowhere near a top 5 player in the league. Not even top 15. He was coming off a microfracture surgery that destroyed his knee when he was with the Suns.

Amare may have been an All-Star, but nowhere near the caliber of an Anthony Davis (top 5 in the NBA) or a Kevin Durant (top 2)

[Mecca]

Knox was so bad this past year that Mitch almost has to be in any deal for AD.

Pels are about to be fire too.

DSJ - Frank
Jrue - Kenrich Williams
Culver - Knox
Zion - Diallo
Mitch - Okafor

WOW

Do y'all understand how crazy that squad is? Could go either Culver, Garland or Barrett at 3.