Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[jermsknicks]

I am happy either way honestly. RJ would be fun to follow because he's ready to score NOW and still has lots of potential due to his passing ability and room for shooting improvement, and acquiring AD would also be cool because he's not yet hit his prime and is one of the best players in the league.

I can prefer one over the other depending on the day of the week, but the fun part is that there's very little obvious downside to this summer. Sure, things could go wrong or they could divert from the plan and sign Butler and Kemba to maxes, but the big options on the table are all really enticing - even if you gut the youth for AD.

And you know what- thats fair - I cant blame you for it...The only issue I have with AD is his health and I dont think he's an Alpha...
These are my first two reasons for not wanting to trade for him...None the less, we have a lot to look forward to...

Health is my only concern with AD. Dude is legit. He has played at an MVP level in this league... as recently as last season.

All three guys we are targeting (KD + Kyrie + AD) have had their share of injuries, but watch AD be the only one that stays major injury after we acquire him.

Post G.oT. thought....
You know what, let's just wait until AD is a free Agent. F the Pelicans and whatever ransom they want and F them for getting Zion! Let's just lie to KD in the summer and say we will get AD, develop RJ and the rest. Let KP self destruct in Dallas and we cherrish the unprotected pick.

[HarthorneWingo]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837054-knicks-2019-nba-draft-rumors-ny-to-host-tacko-fall-for-1st-private-workout

Knicks 2019 NBA Draft Rumors: NY to Host Tacko Fall for 1st Private Workout
TYLER CONWAY
MAY 19, 2019

Marc Berman of the New York Post reported the Knicks booked Fall's first private workout after coming away impressed with his performance at the NBA Scouting Combine.

Fall, who would be the third 7'7" player in NBA history, broke nearly every combine record for height and length. His 8'2¼" wingspan and 10'2½" standing reach are anthropomorphic records in the NBA combine database.

"With my size, the biggest thing they're always looking for is can he move, run the floor, step out and guard?" Fall told reporters. "I feel I have the ability to do those things. I had the ability to play with great competition [in Chicago], and it was a blessing. Thank God I'm in this position, and I have to take advantage of it. I think I'm doing good and holding my own and not doing anything out of character."

Fall, who was not originally invited to the NBA combine but advanced through the G League combine, impressed scouts with better-than-expected lateral movement.

"I'm showing I can run the floor, have great hands," Fall said. "I came in way better shape than I thought I'd be."
Fall averaged 11.1 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.6 blocks per game during his senior season at UCF. He had a star-making 15-point, six-rebound, three-block game in the Knights' second-round loss to Duke. UCF outscored the Zion Williamson-led Blue Devils with Fall on the floor, but he fouled out after playing only 25 minutes.

NBA teams interested in Fall will see him as a short-minutes bench player rather than anyone who could rise much earlier than the late second round. The best-case scenario for Fall would be carving out a Boban Marjanovic-esque role, where he comes in for short, high-efficiency spells.

The Knicks have the No. 55 overall pick in the second round and could target Fall there.

[bearadonisdna]

Barrett is a franchise changer.
If they keep the pick,

Mitch
Durant
Knox

Walker
Barrett

Seems pretty good with 2 max free agents.
Walker because he is unrestricted.
That's a 50 win team to me.
Barrett can have success playing 3-1 but I think the ball will have to be in his hands to be most effective.

The harden comparison did makes sense to me.

[thebuzzardman]

You're assuming I want to contend immediately. Just because I have a stack of bills in my wallet doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and spend it all.

The underlying assumption in this thread is THIS IS IT, our shot at glory, take it or leave it. I'm not buying that line. I'm willing to see if Mitch and RJ? pan out alongside a FA signing or two, but gutting the team to get AD is just the same old Knicks to me and I'm sick of it.

So...keep the kids...add FAs is cool with you?. If they keep the kids and MAX KD/Kyrie...are you cool with that?

I hear you about gutting the team. I want Mitch to retire here and have his number in the rafter!!! I wouldn't trip on a smaller deal for more talent though. I'm not crazy about Kyrie either way but...I wouldn't be mad if we signed him with KD. I also don't care for KD being 31 but...I'm not afraid that he'll fall off a cliff.

I would also be down with not signing anyone as well. I mean...I want Klay and Kawhi but...that's not happening.

I just hope Perry doesn't mess this up. I want to witness a title some day. The 20 year spiral in the other direction has been brutal.

NO. I've been outspoken today that I don't want Kyrie near this team.

I'm fine with signing KD.

I'm not fine with trading away picks and Mitch for AD.

I'm down with adding a max cat like KD and continuing to build, because if he has 4-5 years in the tank that is more than enough time to be in contention mid-way through his contract with a mix of signings, drafted players and good pick-ups (which this club is perfectly capable of executing now).

And, yes, I agree, we could just hold off one more season and keep our powder dry. I've waited this long, so I'm not on the spend or die bandwagon.

What about Kemba instead of Kyrie? Let's pretend that Durant doesn't have a Kyrie preference, but insists on a vet PG.

[thebuzzardman]

:roll:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837054-knicks-2019-nba-draft-rumors-ny-to-host-tacko-fall-for-1st-private-workout

Knicks 2019 NBA Draft Rumors: NY to Host Tacko Fall for 1st Private Workout
TYLER CONWAY
MAY 19, 2019

Marc Berman of the New York Post reported the Knicks booked Fall's first private workout after coming away impressed with his performance at the NBA Scouting Combine.

Fall, who would be the third 7'7" player in NBA history, broke nearly every combine record for height and length. His 8'2¼" wingspan and 10'2½" standing reach are anthropomorphic records in the NBA combine database.

"With my size, the biggest thing they're always looking for is can he move, run the floor, step out and guard?" Fall told reporters. "I feel I have the ability to do those things. I had the ability to play with great competition [in Chicago], and it was a blessing. Thank God I'm in this position, and I have to take advantage of it. I think I'm doing good and holding my own and not doing anything out of character."

Fall, who was not originally invited to the NBA combine but advanced through the G League combine, impressed scouts with better-than-expected lateral movement.

"I'm showing I can run the floor, have great hands," Fall said. "I came in way better shape than I thought I'd be."
Fall averaged 11.1 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.6 blocks per game during his senior season at UCF. He had a star-making 15-point, six-rebound, three-block game in the Knights' second-round loss to Duke. UCF outscored the Zion Williamson-led Blue Devils with Fall on the floor, but he fouled out after playing only 25 minutes.

NBA teams interested in Fall will see him as a short-minutes bench player rather than anyone who could rise much earlier than the late second round. The best-case scenario for Fall would be carving out a Boban Marjanovic-esque role, where he comes in for short, high-efficiency spells.

The Knicks have the No. 55 overall pick in the second round and could target Fall there.

Why not, and I'm sure the Knicks are as interested at 30 other teams. Feels like these articles are based on Knicks finding Mitch last year.

[ZeroStatic2]

:roll:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837054-knicks-2019-nba-draft-rumors-ny-to-host-tacko-fall-for-1st-private-workout

Knicks 2019 NBA Draft Rumors: NY to Host Tacko Fall for 1st Private Workout
TYLER CONWAY
MAY 19, 2019

Marc Berman of the New York Post reported the Knicks booked Fall's first private workout after coming away impressed with his performance at the NBA Scouting Combine.

Fall, who would be the third 7'7" player in NBA history, broke nearly every combine record for height and length. His 8'2¼" wingspan and 10'2½" standing reach are anthropomorphic records in the NBA combine database.

"With my size, the biggest thing they're always looking for is can he move, run the floor, step out and guard?" Fall told reporters. "I feel I have the ability to do those things. I had the ability to play with great competition [in Chicago], and it was a blessing. Thank God I'm in this position, and I have to take advantage of it. I think I'm doing good and holding my own and not doing anything out of character."

Fall, who was not originally invited to the NBA combine but advanced through the G League combine, impressed scouts with better-than-expected lateral movement.

"I'm showing I can run the floor, have great hands," Fall said. "I came in way better shape than I thought I'd be."
Fall averaged 11.1 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.6 blocks per game during his senior season at UCF. He had a star-making 15-point, six-rebound, three-block game in the Knights' second-round loss to Duke. UCF outscored the Zion Williamson-led Blue Devils with Fall on the floor, but he fouled out after playing only 25 minutes.

NBA teams interested in Fall will see him as a short-minutes bench player rather than anyone who could rise much earlier than the late second round. The best-case scenario for Fall would be carving out a Boban Marjanovic-esque role, where he comes in for short, high-efficiency spells.

The Knicks have the No. 55 overall pick in the second round and could target Fall there.

[thebuzzardman]

What good will it do us if the three of them can't play together for full seasons and deep into the playoffs?

I swear to god this is history repeating itself and you're all burying your heads in the sand if you think the Knicks are not going to get stuck with jinxed injury plagued contracts again.

And, no, Kyrie is not a top 15 player. That was his destiny, but he is not reliable as a player or as a teammate and his value to a franchise is not close to being a top 15 player any longer. He's a head case I would prefer not to have in NYC. I don't care if he is gifted with a sick handle and sometimes can take over games. That doesn't mean he'll be a positive influence on the club. You think he will take directions from KD? Nah, he's another diva we don't need to have around

Kyrie is just the whipped cream on top. KD and AD are franchise level players who are dominant on both ends.

What good will Mitch and RJ being healthy do if they can't lead us into the playoffs anytime soon?

And if they do in the relatively near future, we'd have to pay them in the same neighborhood as these proven elite two way players?

You're assuming I want to contend immediately. Just because I have a stack of bills in my wallet doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and spend it all.

The underlying assumption in this thread is THIS IS IT, our shot at glory, take it or leave it. I'm not buying that line. I'm willing to see if Mitch and RJ? pan out alongside a FA signing or two, but gutting the team to get AD is just the same old Knicks to me and I'm sick of it.

You seemed to be on the side of going for the FA's and now have turned away - or is it more the injury history of Kyrie? Meaning, even with Durant's age you can tolerate him - he's been mostly healthy, latest injury aside?

Here's a hypothetical (which I know won't happen, as the $ don't match)

What if the Knicks could get AD for DSJr, RJ(2019#3) and the Mavs 2021 and 2023 picks?

That's KP (his return) and the 2019 #1 for AD.

And while adding Knox does have the result of shorting the youth movement, would that be the end of the world?

[ZeroStatic2]

the offer from the knicks: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Mavs unprotected pick, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Frank Nitlikina, Dennis Smith Jr.

what pelicans want: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Knicks own Future 1st round pick, Mavericks both picks, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Dennis Smith Jr and they want second rounders too.

and all the knicks fans should say F.U. and Amen.

[awy]

big part of the kp return was cap space in this year btw

[Worst_to_First]

big part of the kp return was cap space in this year btw

That’s right. Getting rid of THJr’s and Courtney Lee’s contracts would have probably cost a first round pick each.

[F N 11]

the offer from the knicks: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Mavs unprotected pick, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Frank Nitlikina, Dennis Smith Jr.

what pelicans want: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Knicks own Future 1st round pick, Mavericks both picks, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Dennis Smith Jr and they want second rounders too.

and all the knicks fans should say F.U. and Amen.

Its a dubb! keep building. I got caught up in this big big 3 BS but when they decide to leave the team is screwed just like post Melo. Look how the heat tried to recover. By giving bloated contracts to people that didnt deserve it.

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[Worst_to_First]

Culver reminds me of Frank. I would not trade down for him. I’ll be pretty mad if we did.

How do you feel about RJ still? He is growing on me a little bit. He is still a very flawed player but I am starting to see some star potential in him. His FIBA tape makes him look like a god

Have been spending the last couple of days trying to acclimatize myself to RJ. LOL it is easier to do so than when we drafted Frank over DSJ wherein I went into full delusion mode and convinced myself that Frank gives me Kawhi vibes.

RJ is a great player and I saw how he dominated in FIBA in giving Canada that gold medal in the under-19 world tournament. That guy has that drive and a winner’s mentality.

The challenge with me is that I still approach things as if we are still in rebuild mode. Hard to predict things with uncertainties surrounding KD and Kyrie and I still think they end up elsewhere (I think Mills already knows what’s up).

So for me DSJ is still in the roster and I am not optimistic of his fit with RJ. Both guys are more effective with the ball in their hands given their scoring and playmaking skills and would benefit from having as much shooters around them as possible.

Aside from potentially jersey number complications LOL I think their overlapping strengths and lack of complementary skills for each other could be a problem in terms of maximizing the lineup on the floor.

Needless to say I like DSJ but if RJ is our guy moving forward we may have to find a different PG to pair up with him. If we are sticking with DSJ I won’t mind trading down this draft in exchange for a better position to get the top prospects in the 2020 draft class.

Full delusion mode Yeah it is much easier to talk yourself into RJ for sure. At least with RJ he is a top prospect unlike Frank who was never on that level.

I think I would still stick with DSJ if we get RJ and see how it goes for a year or two but I do see why you are not optimistic about the fit.

But if there’s a possible way to trade our pick and get Wiseman or Edwards next year... see ya RJ

James Wiseman is a stud. The team that lands him next year is so fortunate.

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[TheGreenArrow]

Im not trading RJ Barrett .

He's untouchable.

[Jeff Van Gully]

And you know what- thats fair - I cant blame you for it...The only issue I have with AD is his health and I dont think he's an Alpha...
These are my first two reasons for not wanting to trade for him...None the less, we have a lot to look forward to...

Health is my only concern with AD. Dude is legit. He has played at an MVP level in this league... as recently as last season.

All three guys we are targeting (KD + Kyrie + AD) have had their share of injuries, but watch AD be the only one that stays major injury after we acquire him.

Post G.oT. thought....
You know what, let's just wait until AD is a free Agent. F the Pelicans and whatever ransom they want and F them for getting Zion! Let's just lie to KD in the summer and say we will get AD, develop RJ and the rest. Let KP self destruct in Dallas and we cherrish the unprotected pick.

we can't get AD as an FA if KD comes and wants to compete. i can't see KD coming alone and waiting. so there goes the cap space. trading for AD is by far the best option for obtaining additional top talent, even if at the expense of youth and draft assets.

[newyorker4ever]

So...keep the kids...add FAs is cool with you?. If they keep the kids and MAX KD/Kyrie...are you cool with that?

I hear you about gutting the team. I want Mitch to retire here and have his number in the rafter!!! I wouldn't trip on a smaller deal for more talent though. I'm not crazy about Kyrie either way but...I wouldn't be mad if we signed him with KD. I also don't care for KD being 31 but...I'm not afraid that he'll fall off a cliff.

I would also be down with not signing anyone as well. I mean...I want Klay and Kawhi but...that's not happening.

I just hope Perry doesn't mess this up. I want to witness a title some day. The 20 year spiral in the other direction has been brutal.

NO. I've been outspoken today that I don't want Kyrie near this team.

I'm fine with signing KD.

I'm not fine with trading away picks and Mitch for AD.

I'm down with adding a max cat like KD and continuing to build, because if he has 4-5 years in the tank that is more than enough time to be in contention mid-way through his contract with a mix of signings, drafted players and good pick-ups (which this club is perfectly capable of executing now).

And, yes, I agree, we could just hold off one more season and keep our powder dry. I've waited this long, so I'm not on the spend or die bandwagon.

What about Kemba instead of Kyrie? Let's pretend that Durant doesn't have a Kyrie preference, but insists on a vet PG.

If Kyrie signs with Brooklyn then i'd like to know what people think about D.Russell running the point for us? We sure would be able to use his shooting and i think he could even play some SG if we wanted to play him with DSJ, Frank or K.Allen. We'd have two southpaws as our starting guards with Russell and Barrett.

PG--D.Russell
SG--RJ.Barrett
SF--K.Knox/K.Durant
PF--K.Durant/K.Knox
C---M.Robinson

[newyorker4ever]

the offer from the knicks: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Mavs unprotected pick, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Frank Nitlikina, Dennis Smith Jr.

what pelicans want: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Knicks own Future 1st round pick, Mavericks both picks, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Dennis Smith Jr and they want second rounders too.

and all the knicks fans should say F.U. and Amen.

That would be very close top doing what Brooklyn did when they made the trade to get P.Pierce, K.Garnett and whatever else they got and gave away their future which D.Ainge has made into a great young team. It wouldn't be as bad because Brooklyn traded for guys at the end of their careers hoping for an instant championship run but it would be pretty bad.

[newyorker4ever]

the offer from the knicks: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Mavs unprotected pick, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Frank Nitlikina, Dennis Smith Jr.

what pelicans want: 3rd pick 2019 (RJ Barrett), Knicks own Future 1st round pick, Mavericks both picks, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, Daymean Dotson, Dennis Smith Jr and they want second rounders too.

and all the knicks fans should say F.U. and Amen.

Its a dubb! keep building. I got caught up in this big big 3 BS but when they decide to leave the team is screwed just like post Melo. Look how the heat tried to recover. By giving bloated contracts to people that didnt deserve it.

There would be a smart way to go about this big 3 without it hurting us in the future. First of all you don't give the Pels all of our 1st round picks in the deal which i don't think we'd have to do anyway so we'd still have to come away with at the very least 4 of the 7 first round picks we have in the next 5 years but if we could come away with 5 then i'm good with that and trading 2 of them to the Pels for AD. Then the real big one here is to absolutely not give any of these guys a no trade clause in any of their contracts we sign them to. I'm actually not sure we'd be able to get away with that with KD and i'd be alright with that cause KD is gonna be great but try to not give any no trade clauses and then if things aren't looking like we were hoping after 3-4 years or whatever then we could easily trade these guys for nice returns on young assets and draft picks.

The no trade clause is what fuqued us in the Melo deal.

[newyorker4ever]

Have been spending the last couple of days trying to acclimatize myself to RJ. LOL it is easier to do so than when we drafted Frank over DSJ wherein I went into full delusion mode and convinced myself that Frank gives me Kawhi vibes.

RJ is a great player and I saw how he dominated in FIBA in giving Canada that gold medal in the under-19 world tournament. That guy has that drive and a winner’s mentality.

The challenge with me is that I still approach things as if we are still in rebuild mode. Hard to predict things with uncertainties surrounding KD and Kyrie and I still think they end up elsewhere (I think Mills already knows what’s up).

So for me DSJ is still in the roster and I am not optimistic of his fit with RJ. Both guys are more effective with the ball in their hands given their scoring and playmaking skills and would benefit from having as much shooters around them as possible.

Aside from potentially jersey number complications LOL I think their overlapping strengths and lack of complementary skills for each other could be a problem in terms of maximizing the lineup on the floor.

Needless to say I like DSJ but if RJ is our guy moving forward we may have to find a different PG to pair up with him. If we are sticking with DSJ I won’t mind trading down this draft in exchange for a better position to get the top prospects in the 2020 draft class.

Full delusion mode Yeah it is much easier to talk yourself into RJ for sure. At least with RJ he is a top prospect unlike Frank who was never on that level.

I think I would still stick with DSJ if we get RJ and see how it goes for a year or two but I do see why you are not optimistic about the fit.

But if there’s a possible way to trade our pick and get Wiseman or Edwards next year... see ya RJ

James Wiseman is a stud. The team that lands him next year is so fortunate.

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Where's he projected to go in mocks?

[BadNewsBarnes]

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Mitch and Tacko on the floor together is an interesting scenario...