OT: TV and Movies (with spoilers)

[crkone]

Spoiler:

If they make a show about the adventures of Arya like those old Hercules and Xena Warrior Princess shows, that'd be cool.

[RRyder823]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

I've been lowering my expectations for 2 seasons and still was disappointed

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[emunney]

I keep coming back to:

Spoiler:

- Jon kills Dany (which none of the fallout was shown, could have been intense if he immediately regretted it, tried to escape KL, unsullied are hunting for him, he confesses to Davos what he did, etc.)
- Tyrion is then brought to the council as a prisoner
- Greyworm demands justice for Jon/Tyrion
- They come to the conclusion that a king/queen should decide and realize they have none
- Greyworm tells them to pick one
- Tyrion then tells everyone who to pick without Greyworm saying anything
- Everyones cool with Bran
- Bran then says that Jon should be let go
- Greyworm then says no. DUDE YOU JUST TOLD THEM YOURE COOL WITH THEM PICKING A KING AND THEY DID AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING THE KING NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT CAUSE HE'S THE KING NOW

Spoiler:

Eh, he had an audience with the King, lobbying is fair game. To me the thing that demands an explanation is: how did it come to be that they were holding him prisoner and didn't just kill him right away. Also did I miss it or did they decline to discuss that Jon was the rightful heir?

[midranger]

I keep coming back to:

Spoiler:

- Jon kills Dany (which none of the fallout was shown, could have been intense if he immediately regretted it, tried to escape KL, unsullied are hunting for him, he confesses to Davos what he did, etc.)
- Tyrion is then brought to the council as a prisoner
- Greyworm demands justice for Jon/Tyrion
- They come to the conclusion that a king/queen should decide and realize they have none
- Greyworm tells them to pick one
- Tyrion then tells everyone who to pick without Greyworm saying anything
- Everyones cool with Bran
- Bran then says that Jon should be let go
- Greyworm then says no. DUDE YOU JUST TOLD THEM YOURE COOL WITH THEM PICKING A KING AND THEY DID AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING THE KING NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT CAUSE HE'S THE KING NOW

Spoiler:

Eh, he had an audience with the King, lobbying is fair game. To me the thing that demands an explanation is: how did it come to be that they were holding him prisoner and didn't just kill him right away?

Spoiler:

Yup. They were ready to kill Jon in the street for him trying to stop the execution of some random soldier. Yet, he kills their queen and he's taken prisoner? The show was terrible.

[Ayt]

I keep coming back to:

Spoiler:

- Jon kills Dany (which none of the fallout was shown, could have been intense if he immediately regretted it, tried to escape KL, unsullied are hunting for him, he confesses to Davos what he did, etc.)
- Tyrion is then brought to the council as a prisoner
- Greyworm demands justice for Jon/Tyrion
- They come to the conclusion that a king/queen should decide and realize they have none
- Greyworm tells them to pick one
- Tyrion then tells everyone who to pick without Greyworm saying anything
- Everyones cool with Bran
- Bran then says that Jon should be let go
- Greyworm then says no. DUDE YOU JUST TOLD THEM YOURE COOL WITH THEM PICKING A KING AND THEY DID AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING THE KING NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT CAUSE HE'S THE KING NOW

Spoiler:

Eh, he had an audience with the King, lobbying is fair game. To me the thing that demands an explanation is: how did it come to be that they were holding him prisoner and didn't just kill him right away?

Spoiler:

Yep. Idiotic. The Greyworm portrayed throughout the show would have killed Jon if the show had any internal logic. His character turned out to be pathetic and pointless.

[crkone]

Spoiler:

[Siefer]

GoT:

Spoiler:

The episode was...fine I guess, relative to what came before. The Jon/Dany scene made the best of a bad narrative situation, and Clarke was great, just like she's been all season. I also enjoyed the send off for the (non tree wizard) Stark kids on a character, and thematic level. Everything in-between was predictably bad, even with Dinklage trying his damndest to give those South Parkesque "we've all learned something today" speeches some weight.

In the end, most of the broad beats were okay, but as has been said over and over, the show stopped doing the work, and just started checking boxes. Even in S5 and S6, when the dialogue notably dropped off, the show was still interested in doing the character and narrative work, and it still mostly landed. The reaction would be so different right now if we'd coasted to the finish line on even S5 quality.

[Whiteman]

That was awful.

[Bucksfan28]

Re: The Grey Worm/Jon stuff

Spoiler:

Arguably the most unforgivable writing gaffe of the show. You can do a lot of mental gymnastics with previous lapses that D&D had, but Jon's capture fallout has so many holes I wouldn't have time to list them all out.

[HaroldinGMinor]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

I've been lowering my expectations for 2 seasons and still was disappointed

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I guess I'm curious what you were expecting or what would have made it not disappointing? To me the way the last two seasons set up there was literally no way for this to be a satisfying ending. It was always going to feel rushed. I'd have been shocked had it been anything else.

[ReasonablySober]

Shazam. Good, fun, movie.

[Bucksfan28]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

I've been lowering my expectations for 2 seasons and still was disappointed

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I guess I'm curious what you were expecting or what would have made it not disappointing? To me the way the last two seasons set up there was literally no way for this to be a satisfying ending. It was always going to feel rushed. I'd have been shocked had it been anything else.

To be fair the beginning of the season had some quality material. That may have given some false optimism even with the rushed pace.

[MiltownHawkeye]

but people were obviously gonna crucify the writers no matter how the show ended.

I don't really see what the basis is for this statement. They ended the show poorly and I don't even see how you can say they made an effort. D&D made the conscious decision to wrap things up in 13 episode when the story probably demanded 2-3 more seasons and HBO would have given it to them.

Sure there will always be people who complain that their pet theories didn't come true, but those people (book fanatics) have been there for years now. What you're seeing is people who just wanted a decently-written end to the story or hell, even just a little bit of genuine tension.

And yeah I'll play the "casual fans helped ruin the show" card all day. Season 7 was a complete and utter disaster from a storytelling standpoint, but the visual effects/production value (which has remained top-notch as you pointed out) gave D&D a buffer for criticism for some reason. If D&D decided to listen to the people who called out Beyond the Wall for what it was (a jump the shark moment) and not the people blindly defending it then maybe Season 8 turns out differently.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Shazam. Good, fun, movie.

I liked it a lot. They probably could've cut like 10 minutes off the ending but that's my only real complaint.

[RRyder823]

I'm not gonna defend GoT but if you were disappointed in that finale then that's on you for not recalibrating your expectations like 9 episodes ago.

I've been lowering my expectations for 2 seasons and still was disappointed

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I guess I'm curious what you were expecting or what would have made it not disappointing? To me the way the last two seasons set up there was literally no way for this to be a satisfying ending. It was always going to feel rushed. I'd have been shocked had it been anything else.

I was simply hoping for an ending where I wasnt laughing out loud during supposedly serious points. Also giving everyone outside of one character a fairytale ending was pretty much the antithesis of the show

I should add that a simple way to not have it feel quite as rushed (although that was unavoidable as a whole when they decided to shorten the seasons) was to actually kill off characters earlier in the season/seasons when they had a chance so they wouldn't have to attempt to tie up 15 story lines in one episode

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[Ron Swanson]

If D&D decided to listen to the people who called out Beyond the Wall for what it was (a jump the shark moment) and not the people blindly defending it then maybe Season 8 turns out differently.

Nah, this relatively new idea that writers and producers should "listen" to the fans is terrible. You can like or hate the end product, but let the actual film creators have creative control and freedom without these dumb, rabid social media campaigns demanding they change stuff. There's a difference between actual fan-service (a complaint that I felt was way overblown) and simply disagreeing with the direction they went with certain characters.

[midranger]

I mean the first two episodes of this six episode season were just fluff/nonsense.

[Ayt]

"I know a killer when I see one." Ya think, Arya?

[StickeeFingaz]

I keep coming back to:

Spoiler:

- Jon kills Dany (which none of the fallout was shown, could have been intense if he immediately regretted it, tried to escape KL, unsullied are hunting for him, he confesses to Davos what he did, etc.)
- Tyrion is then brought to the council as a prisoner
- Greyworm demands justice for Jon/Tyrion
- They come to the conclusion that a king/queen should decide and realize they have none
- Greyworm tells them to pick one
- Tyrion then tells everyone who to pick without Greyworm saying anything
- Everyones cool with Bran
- Bran then says that Jon should be let go
- Greyworm then says no. DUDE YOU JUST TOLD THEM YOURE COOL WITH THEM PICKING A KING AND THEY DID AND THEN YOU'RE TELLING THE KING NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT CAUSE HE'S THE KING NOW

Spoiler:

Eh, he had an audience with the King, lobbying is fair game. To me the thing that demands an explanation is: how did it come to be that they were holding him prisoner and didn't just kill him right away. Also did I miss it or did they decline to discuss that Jon was the rightful heir?

Spoiler:

It was never even mentioned by the people determining who the new king should be, which is insane to me. Like Sam, wanna mention anything here?

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[Dick Tate]

I really appreciate how much money and time this thread saves me. I watched every episode of Lost until missing the start of the final season. Was going to wait and buy the dvd set but after reading the thread, passed on the purchase.

Ditched HBO about 10+ years ago. This thread reaffirms my satisfaction with that decision.