Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[mhunt]

I'd love to see JJ coming off the bench next season. A more well rounded guy who can play some D & attack the basket would be ideal as the starter. A guy like Redick has a role but I also think he's a big reason we see so much of that dribble handoff stuff because it's the only way they can free up JJ for his shots. You have to scheme him open.

[BullyKing]

I wonder if there is a way we could convince Butler and/or Harris to take slightly less than the max. If we give them 31.2 instead of 32.4, they'd earn the same as they could from anyone else over the length of the contract given we can offer bigger annual raises. Then you give them the 5th year as the additional sweetner. If they would go for that, you'd probably have room to bring back Scott for around $4 a year, Redick for $9 million a year, and still be able to use the full MLE and BAE while staying under the apron.

[AirP.]

I wonder if there is a way we could convince Butler and/or Harris to take slightly less than the max. If we give them 31.2 instead of 32.4, they'd earn the same as they could from anyone else over the length of the contract given we can offer bigger annual raises. Then you give them the 5th year as the additional sweetner. If they would go for that, you'd probably have room to bring back Scott for around $4 a year, Redick for $9 million a year, and still be able to use the full MLE and BAE while staying under the apron.

The 76ers are over the cap, at this point asking players to take a cut only helps the owner(which I understand is a possible issue). If you're willing to offer less to Harris and Butler, do the same with Simmons and see how that goes.

[BullyKing]

In the don't wake me up from this dream department, I also wonder if we could somehow convince Kawhi to sign here, whether Toronto would do a double sign and trade for Tobias rather than let Kawhi leave for nothing. Would allow us to keep the same plans we've been discussing but with Kawhi instead of Tobias and not have to renounce everyone.

[BullyKing]

I wonder if there is a way we could convince Butler and/or Harris to take slightly less than the max. If we give them 31.2 instead of 32.4, they'd earn the same as they could from anyone else over the length of the contract given we can offer bigger annual raises. Then you give them the 5th year as the additional sweetner. If they would go for that, you'd probably have room to bring back Scott for around $4 a year, Redick for $9 million a year, and still be able to use the full MLE and BAE while staying under the apron.

The 76ers are over the cap, at this point asking players to take a cut only helps the owner(which I understand is a possible issue). If you're willing to offer less to Harris and Butler, do the same with Simmons and let me know how that goes.

No, it doesn't help the owners because I'm proposing to still spend the money. It allows them to add to the team while still giving the players the more than they could get anywhere else.

[AirP.]

I'd love to see JJ coming off the bench next season. A more well rounded guy who can play some D & attack the basket would be ideal as the starter. A guy like Redick has a role but I also think he's a big reason we see so much of that dribble handoff stuff because it's the only way they can free up JJ for his shots. You have to scheme him open.

Zhaire Smith?

[AirP.]

I wonder if there is a way we could convince Butler and/or Harris to take slightly less than the max. If we give them 31.2 instead of 32.4, they'd earn the same as they could from anyone else over the length of the contract given we can offer bigger annual raises. Then you give them the 5th year as the additional sweetner. If they would go for that, you'd probably have room to bring back Scott for around $4 a year, Redick for $9 million a year, and still be able to use the full MLE and BAE while staying under the apron.

The 76ers are over the cap, at this point asking players to take a cut only helps the owner(which I understand is a possible issue). If you're willing to offer less to Harris and Butler, do the same with Simmons and let me know how that goes.

No, it doesn't help the owners because I'm proposing to still spend the money. It allows them to add to the team while still giving the players the more than they could get anywhere else.

Chicago told Butler they were going to build around him when he signed and a couple of years later was traded, not sure why he'd take a cut in pay which would make him more desirable in a trade away from the team he took a cut for.

I think if you offer less then the max to start off negotiations you probably lose Butler, I feel he sees the money as respect from the organization.

[BullyKing]

The 76ers are over the cap, at this point asking players to take a cut only helps the owner(which I understand is a possible issue). If you're willing to offer less to Harris and Butler, do the same with Simmons and let me know how that goes.

No, it doesn't help the owners because I'm proposing to still spend the money. It allows them to add to the team while still giving the players the more than they could get anywhere else.

Chicago told Butler they were going to build around him when he signed and a couple of years later was traded, not sure why he'd take a cut in pay which would make him more desirable in a trade away from the team he took a cut for.

I think if you offer less then the max to start off negotiations you probably lose Butler, I feel he sees the money as respect from the organization.

0-2 on reading comprehension. It's not a pay cut. It's more than he's making now and more than he could get from anyone else.

[AirP.]

No, it doesn't help the owners because I'm proposing to still spend the money. It allows them to add to the team while still giving the players the more than they could get anywhere else.

Chicago told Butler they were going to build around him when he signed and a couple of years later was traded, not sure why he'd take a cut in pay which would make him more desirable in a trade away from the team he took a cut for.

I think if you offer less then the max to start off negotiations you probably lose Butler, I feel he sees the money as respect from the organization.

0-2 on reading comprehension. It's not a pay cut. It's more than he's making now and more than he could get from anyone else.

It's a pay cut from what he could get.

[BullyKing]

Chicago told Butler they were going to build around him when he signed and a couple of years later was traded, not sure why he'd take a cut in pay which would make him more desirable in a trade away from the team he took a cut for.

I think if you offer less then the max to start off negotiations you probably lose Butler, I feel he sees the money as respect from the organization.

0-2 on reading comprehension. It's not a pay cut. It's more than he's making now and more than he could get from anyone else.

It's a pay cut from what he could get.

0-3. It's not a pay cut if the Sixers are unwilling to offer one of those guys the full 5 year max.

[SixthStreet]

In the don't wake me up from this dream department, I also wonder if we could somehow convince Kawhi to sign here, whether Toronto would do a double sign and trade for Tobias rather than let Kawhi leave for nothing. Would allow us to keep the same plans we've been discussing but with Kawhi instead of Tobias and not have to renounce everyone.

I love the idea, but Ujiri probably has better plans in a Kawhi-less pivot than an overpaid Harris. A lesser GM could probably be talked into a deal like that.

That said, Harris is better than DeRozan. You never know!


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[sixers4real]

Is it possible we bring back:
Jimmy (Max)
Harris (almost max)
Redick (9M?)
Scott (7M?)
Ennis (7M?)

AND find someone for MLE and BAE? I know we will be in luxury tax, but can we do it by the NBA rules if Josh Harris approves?

[BullyKing]

Is it possible we bring back:
Jimmy (Max)
Harris (almost max)
Redick (9M?)
Scott (7M?)
Ennis (7M?)

AND find someone for MLE and BAE? I know we will be in luxury tax, but can we do it by the NBA rules if Josh Harris approves?

no. The closest possible is to get Scott for about $5 million and let Ennis walk.

[sixers4real]

Is it possible we bring back:
Jimmy (Max)
Harris (almost max)
Redick (9M?)
Scott (7M?)
Ennis (7M?)

AND find someone for MLE and BAE? I know we will be in luxury tax, but can we do it by the NBA rules if Josh Harris approves?

no. The closest possible is to get Scott for about $5 million and let Ennis walk.

Could you please explain why? How that works?

[BullyKing]

Is it possible we bring back:
Jimmy (Max)
Harris (almost max)
Redick (9M?)
Scott (7M?)
Ennis (7M?)

AND find someone for MLE and BAE? I know we will be in luxury tax, but can we do it by the NBA rules if Josh Harris approves?

no. The closest possible is to get Scott for about $5 million and let Ennis walk.

Could you please explain why? How that works?

There are multiple issues but the simplest explanation is that we are not allowed to offer Scott more than about $5 million or Ennis more than about $2 million with using our the MLE and BAE on them, meaning it would be unavailable to use on other players in addition.

[sixers4real]

no. The closest possible is to get Scott for about $5 million and let Ennis walk.

Could you please explain why? How that works?

There are multiple issues but the simplest explanation is that we are not allowed to offer Scott more than about $5 million or Ennis more than about $2 million with using our the MLE and BAE on them, meaning it would be unavailable to use on other players in addition.

Thanks man for explaining. Appreciate that.
Does that mean we do not have bird rights for these two players, right? But we do have on Redick?
And once we max Jimmy and Tobias, we can only operate with MLE, BAE and minimums, since we will be over the cap, am I right?

[BullyKing]

Could you please explain why? How that works?

There are multiple issues but the simplest explanation is that we are not allowed to offer Scott more than about $5 million or Ennis more than about $2 million with using our the MLE and BAE on them, meaning it would be unavailable to use on other players in addition.

Thanks man for explaining. Appreciate that.
Does that mean we do not have bird rights for these two players, right? But we do have on Redick?
And once we max Jimmy and Tobias, we can only operate with MLE, BAE and minimums, since we will be over the cap, am I right?

More or less correct. We do not have any Bird rights for Ennis or Scott so we are only able to offer them pretty much what they made last year without using one of the cap exceptions (and neither are good enough to justify doing that). We have early bird rights on Redick, which allows us to offer him up to 175% of what he made last year. Given how much he was paid, easiest to think of it as permitting us to sign Redick for whatever we want since there is no way he will get almost double what he got last year.

If you assume you can get Scott for $5.2 million or less (reasonable but not a certainty), we can resign Tobias, Butler and Redick. We can then use the MLE and BAE and minimums but we'd be getting really close to the apron. The apron is about six million over the luxury tax line and you cannot exceed it under any circumstance and would apply to us once we use the MLE.

[SixthStreet]

I'm thinking that the apron isn't really the target. I doubt ownership will be willing to go into the tax this year because there's no doubt we will the following year so delaying the repeater clock is important.

[sixers4real]

There are multiple issues but the simplest explanation is that we are not allowed to offer Scott more than about $5 million or Ennis more than about $2 million with using our the MLE and BAE on them, meaning it would be unavailable to use on other players in addition.

Thanks man for explaining. Appreciate that.
Does that mean we do not have bird rights for these two players, right? But we do have on Redick?
And once we max Jimmy and Tobias, we can only operate with MLE, BAE and minimums, since we will be over the cap, am I right?

More or less correct. We do not have any Bird rights for Ennis or Scott so we are only able to offer them pretty much what they made last year without using one of the cap exceptions (and neither are good enough to justify doing that). We have early bird rights on Redick, which allows us to offer him up to 175% of what he made last year. Given how much he was paid, easiest to think of it as permitting us to sign Redick for whatever we want since there is no way he will get almost double what he got last year.

If you assume you can get Scott for $5.2 million or less (reasonable but not a certainty), we can resign Tobias, Butler and Redick. We can then use the MLE and BAE and minimums but we'd be getting really close to the apron. The apron is about six million over the luxury tax line and you cannot exceed it under any circumstance and would apply to us once we use the MLE.

Thank you a lot. Now I wish we really run it back. And hope EB somehow drafts some nice rookies, at least one. Zhaire Smith is willing to take Ennis role, and Embiid Simmons and Bolden improve their games.

[FlyingArrow]

If we cross the apron, we can still use the MLE but it's for a smaller amount. We'd lose the BAE, though.