Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[PhillyPhilly]

Show me the statistics that demonstrate he had good years in Detroit. He got a big contract because the Lakers were trying to get in the good graces of Klutch. And the reason there is no point in talking with you is because you still cannot grasp the simple concept that if you want KCP so badly, just advocate for him to be the target of the MLE and move Redick to 6th man.

But otherwise, there is no money with which to sign KCP even if you let Redick walk unless your love of him goes so deep that you also want to let one of Harris or Butler walk to make it possible.

Well what if KCP would take 8-10m to come to Philly? Wouldn't that be less than what JJ would get? Also KCP was near on averaging 14 ppg for two or three years before joining LA so lets not act like he was a scrub. If we keep JJ as a sixth man then fine, but we need a new SG to take a step forward and I hope Brand agrees.

WE DON'T HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN ANYONE FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LET HARRIS OR BUTLER WALK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

And those two years where KCP average 14ppg came with a TS% of 52%. Redick's career TS% is 60% and holding steady. So Redick got you more points more efficiently. And $8-10 million is what people are assuming Redick will get. I don't think anyone is advocating for giving him much, if any, more.

Well like I said, you're the expert. But what if JJ walks? Then what?

Also KCP percentages are obviously effected by te fact that he tries to score in many more ways than JJ.

[Slacktard]

Can we maybe after two years of playoffs realize we need to stop looking at what a player does in the regular season and instead look for players who fit playoff basketball and primarily half-court offense?

Reddick has a pretty lengthy career history of being limited in playoff basketball and his impact becomes less offensively, with his defensively liability a bigger problem.

I don't think KCP is the answer at all though.

[BullyKing]

Well what if KCP would take 8-10m to come to Philly? Wouldn't that be less than what JJ would get? Also KCP was near on averaging 14 ppg for two or three years before joining LA so lets not act like he was a scrub. If we keep JJ as a sixth man then fine, but we need a new SG to take a step forward and I hope Brand agrees.

WE DON'T HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN ANYONE FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LET HARRIS OR BUTLER WALK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

And those two years where KCP average 14ppg came with a TS% of 52%. Redick's career TS% is 60% and holding steady. So Redick got you more points more efficiently. And $8-10 million is what people are assuming Redick will get. I don't think anyone is advocating for giving him much, if any, more.

Well like I said, you're the expert. But what if JJ walks? Then what?

Also KCP percentages are obviously effected by te fact that he tries to score in many more ways than JJ.

I'm not an expert. I just try to have an understanding of the situation I'm commenting on. Many people have tried explaining the cap situation to you for days.

For example, I wouldn't argue that someone's percentages are affected by the fact that they try to score in more ways because: (1) TS% somewhat takes that into account, and (2) the more ways such as driving and mid-range shots should be made at a HIGHER percentage than someone that depends on the lower percentage three ball.

[PhillyPhilly]

WE DON'T HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN ANYONE FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LET HARRIS OR BUTLER WALK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

And those two years where KCP average 14ppg came with a TS% of 52%. Redick's career TS% is 60% and holding steady. So Redick got you more points more efficiently. And $8-10 million is what people are assuming Redick will get. I don't think anyone is advocating for giving him much, if any, more.

Well like I said, you're the expert. But what if JJ walks? Then what?

Also KCP percentages are obviously effected by te fact that he tries to score in many more ways than JJ.

I'm not an expert. I just try to have an understanding of the situation I'm commenting on. Many people have tried explaining the cap situation to you for days.

For example, I wouldn't argue that someone's percentages are affected by the fact that they try to score in more ways because: (1) TS% somewhat takes that into account, and (2) the more ways such as driving and mid-range shots should be made at a HIGHER percentage than someone that depends on the lower percentage three ball.

1. No, I haven't had any discussions of late about the cap so that's a lie

2. KCP is nine years younger than JJ and been developing In the league at a time when JJ has been In his prime. Regardless though I already said it's about getting a guy who has a MORE WELL ROUNDED GAME than just a shooter. So the TS percentage means nothing really. I mean hows Korvers TS%? Would you have him over KCP?

[smittybanton]

Can we maybe after two years of playoffs realize we need to stop looking at what a player does in the regular season and instead look for players who fit playoff basketball and primarily half-court offense?

Reddick has a pretty lengthy career history of being limited in playoff basketball and his impact becomes less offensively, with his defensively liability a bigger problem.

I don't think KCP is the answer at all though.

MLE: I believe Tomas Satoransky is that guy. 35-40% from the bean, pg skills to run pnr with ben or joel, not a sieve on defense, length at 6'6.

BE: With no second string anchor, our defense without joel on the floor was perfectly childish. Cant afford Dedmon, who gets bullied a bit. 6'11 Thomas Bryant Jr. has more upside and could be cheaper?

MIN: A likely minimum salary forward who at least thinks he can get his own shot is Mario Hezonja. Still young, if he can't flourish inbetween Ben and Joel, he needs to go back home. Could replace James Ennis?

[Foshan]

Can we maybe after two years of playoffs realize we need to stop looking at what a player does in the regular season and instead look for players who fit playoff basketball and primarily half-court offense?

Reddick has a pretty lengthy career history of being limited in playoff basketball and his impact becomes less offensively, with his defensively liability a bigger problem.

I don't think KCP is the answer at all though.

MLE: I believe Tomas Satoransky is that guy. 35-40% from the bean, pg skills to run pnr with ben or joel, not a sieve on defense, length at 6'6.

BE: With no second string anchor, our defense without joel on the floor was perfectly childish. Cant afford Dedmon, who gets bullied a bit. 6'11 Thomas Bryant Jr. has more upside and could be cheaper?

MIN: A likely minimum salary forward who at least thinks he can get his own shot is Mario Hezonja. Still young, if he can't flourish inbetween Ben and Joel, he needs to go back home. Could replace James Ennis?

I like all of those options... the question will be if they are available at those prices. Nice work

[BullyKing]

I wonder if we could steal Maxi Kleber from Dallas. Shot 35% from 3 while protecting the rim at the same rate as Joel. There are a lot of interesting low cost RFAs.

[tsmith]

Anyone saying that we should let JJ walk I ask you to go rewatch the games he didn't play. The spacing is ruined without him. Even when he's cold teams still can't sag off him. That gravity effect he brings is irreplaceable in a team with two below average shooters in your starting lineup.

[Tomjas]

James Ennis has opted out

[FlyingArrow]

James Ennis has opted out

Not surprising. Not sure how I feel about trying to bring him back. He'll probably get an offer we can't beat anyway, but his 3pct wasn't as high as we need it to be. Good energy guy, and a good surprise this year. I expected him to play like JSimmons did, and vice versa.

[PhillyPhilly]

Anyone saying that we should let JJ walk I ask you to go rewatch the games he didn't play. The spacing is ruined without him. Even when he's cold teams still can't sag off him. That gravity effect he brings is irreplaceable in a team with two below average shooters in your starting lineup.

Is JJ the only shooter In the league or something? Why are folks so desperate to keep a 35 year old guy who can't defend to save his life?

KCP, Lamb, Ross and Bullock can all hit threes at a decent clip and also score In different ways. We need a better back court to go further in the playoffs, it's that simple imo.

[FlyingArrow]

Anyone saying that we should let JJ walk I ask you to go rewatch the games he didn't play. The spacing is ruined without him. Even when he's cold teams still can't sag off him. That gravity effect he brings is irreplaceable in a team with two below average shooters in your starting lineup.

Is JJ the only shooter In the league or something? Why are folks so desperate to keep a 35 year old guy who can't defend to save his life?

KCP, Lamb, Ross and Bullock can all hit threes at a decent clip and also score In different ways. We need a better back court to go further in the playoffs, it's that simple imo.

Because we have his Bird rights and because he's one of the best 3pt shooters in the league. We need *more* 3pt shooters. Letting JJ walk just means we have yet another hole to fill. Our resources to fill those holes are very limited:

* MLE and BAE (assuming we stay under the apron)
* Or just a lower MLE without a BAE (if we go over the apron)
* Draft picks
* Minimum contracts
* Trades, but matching salary is tough: two small trade exceptions and JSimmons' contract if we guarantee it. (We're likely only getting anything worthwhile in a trade if we trade away picks.)
* Player development (i.e. Zhaire, Shake, Bolden)
* Re-sign our own guys

There are no guarantees coming from draft picks or minimum contracts or player development. Hopefully we get something, but can't bank on it. That leaves us basically with our own guys and just TWO free agents from the exceptions - and not expensive free agents, either. We already have some big needs: backup center, backup wing (especially now that Ennis opted out). Backup PG would also be nice. If we also need a starting SG because JJ walks, then that probably immediately becomes our biggest need - and takes up the MLE that we'd like to use on a backup center.

[PhilasFinest]

James Ennis has opted out

Not surprising. Not sure how I feel about trying to bring him back. He'll probably get an offer we can't beat anyway, but his 3pct wasn't as high as we need it to be. Good energy guy, and a good surprise this year. I expected him to play like JSimmons did, and vice versa.

Yea id let Ennis bounce if he gets an offer from anywhere else. Anything more then the Min is too much for him IMO.

Dont get me wrong, he played well in the playoffs.....but we can do better, and there's guys like him all over the place. (Draft,G-League,Etc) You dont pay 8th-9th men.

We need more scoring and shooting off the bench.Ennis is not a reliable offensive player.Id rather give Zhaire and Shake minutes TBH and adjust with a min salary player if need be via the Buyout market.

[PhillyPhilly]

Anyone saying that we should let JJ walk I ask you to go rewatch the games he didn't play. The spacing is ruined without him. Even when he's cold teams still can't sag off him. That gravity effect he brings is irreplaceable in a team with two below average shooters in your starting lineup.

Is JJ the only shooter In the league or something? Why are folks so desperate to keep a 35 year old guy who can't defend to save his life?

KCP, Lamb, Ross and Bullock can all hit threes at a decent clip and also score In different ways. We need a better back court to go further in the playoffs, it's that simple imo.

Because we have his Bird rights and because he's one of the best 3pt shooters in the league. We need *more* 3pt shooters. Letting JJ walk just means we have yet another hole to fill. Our resources to fill those holes are very limited:

* MLE and BAE (assuming we stay under the apron)
* Or just a lower MLE without a BAE (if we go over the apron)
* Draft picks
* Minimum contracts
* Trades, but matching salary is tough: two small trade exceptions and JSimmons' contract if we guarantee it. (We're likely only getting anything worthwhile in a trade if we trade away picks.)
* Player development (i.e. Zhaire, Shake, Bolden)
* Re-sign our own guys

There are no guarantees coming from draft picks or minimum contracts or player development. Hopefully we get something, but can't bank on it. That leaves us basically with our own guys and just TWO free agents from the exceptions - and not expensive free agents, either. We already have some big needs: backup center, backup wing (especially now that Ennis opted out). Backup PG would also be nice. If we also need a starting SG because JJ walks, then that probably immediately becomes our biggest need - and takes up the MLE that we'd like to use on a backup center.

Even if folks wan't to keep him as a 6th man I don't care, just as long as we have a better SG who can mesh with Ben better and has an all round game. Look around at the teams left and they have backcourts with pairs that can both defend and score. I just think we need that because what has been a real weakness for this team this season? Guard after guard going off.

[FlyingArrow]

* MLE and BAE (assuming we stay under the apron)
* Or just a lower MLE without a BAE (if we go over the apron)
* Draft picks
* Minimum contracts
* Trades, but matching salary is tough: two small trade exceptions and JSimmons' contract if we guarantee it. (We're likely only getting anything worthwhile in a trade if we trade away picks.)
* Player development (i.e. Zhaire, Shake, Bolden)
* Re-sign our own guys

Even if folks wan't to keep him as a 6th man I don't care, just as long as we have a better SG who can mesh with Ben better and has an all round game. Look around at the teams left and they have backcourts with pairs that can both defend and score. I just think we need that because what has been a real weakness for this team this season? Guard after guard going off.

Even if we find another starting SG, I think we should try to bring JJ back for a bench role.

A new starting SG would be nice, but is it the biggest need? If we can manage to stay below the apron, we get about $9M with the MLE. That FA will probably be the best new player we bring in. Backup C or new SG with that money? BAE (again, if we stay below the apron) will be around $3 or 4M. What slot do we fill with that money?

[sixers4real]

Let’s say we bring back Butler for max and Harris for near max

C - Embiid (27.3M) / Bolden (1.7M)
PF - Harris (~30 M) /
SF - Butler (32.4M) /
SG - / Smith (3M)
PG - Simmons (8.1M) /

Around 102M.
That’s what we have after Jimmy and Harris re-sign. Let’s say we also bring back Redick (10M) and Scott (5M). We will need to sing 7 more players using rookies / MLE / vets.

C - Embiid (27.3M) / MLE (5M) / Bolden (1.7M)
PF - Harris (~30 M) / Scott (5M) / 2nd round pick (under 1M)
SF - Butler (32.4M) / 1st round pick (1.6M) / vet (1M)
SG - Redick (10M) / Smith (3M) / vet (2M)
PG - Simmons (8.1M) / vet (2M) / 2nd round pick (under 1M)

Around 132 MIL. Thats less salary then 4 NBA teams currently have right now. Warriors (145M), Thunder (142M), Raptors (136M), Blazers (133M). Interesting that 3 on them are playing in the Conference Finals.

If we are about to resign both Jimmy and Harris, I see no point in letting Redick or Scott walk. And we better hope that if Elton Brand and Josh Harris decide to pay Jimmy and Harris, they find some nice back up players for Embiid and Simmons.

Next summer Simmons max will take place, now that can get really expensive. But I guess with that core we have to win at least one title in the next 5 years.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ugh, I guess let Ennis walk. He really angered me at times, but he did some really good things for us too. Hope he gets paid.

[youngcrev]

I wonder if we could steal Maxi Kleber from Dallas. Shot 35% from 3 while protecting the rim at the same rate as Joel. There are a lot of interesting low cost RFAs.

I've liked Kleber in the limited amount of time I've seen him. He kinda fits that mold of what we hoped Bolden could be. Switchable big that can block some shots, run in transition, and stretch the floor. He moves well enough that you could play him with Jo. Being that he's restricted, I'm not sure he'll be that low cost though. I guess it maybe depends on their plans for Dwight Powell

[youngcrev]

Ugh, I guess let Ennis walk. He really angered me at times, but he did some really good things for us too. Hope he gets paid.

He had the rare distinction on our bench of being playable in the playoffs, so for that, I thank him. I think some silly team gives him a Jonathon Simmons type of contract, so I'd say congrats and good luck to him.

I'd like to think that worst case Zhaire could come in a fill that role for from day 1 next year. Ennis shot .306 from 3, so that shouldn't be tough to match. If it translates from college, he should be able to check off the offensive rebounding category too. And I don't see him being a worse man to man defender. I feel like the only possible hiccup between him being able to do everything Ennis can and more would be getting down the defensive rotations.

[BullyKing]

I wonder if we could steal Maxi Kleber from Dallas. Shot 35% from 3 while protecting the rim at the same rate as Joel. There are a lot of interesting low cost RFAs.

I've liked Kleber in the limited amount of time I've seen him. He kinda fits that mold of what we hoped Bolden could be. Switchable big that can block some shots, run in transition, and stretch the floor. He moves well enough that you could play him with Jo. Being that he's restricted, I'm not sure he'll be that low cost though. I guess it maybe depends on their plans for Dwight Powell

Yeah I have my concerns about that also. The other hope is to hit him with an early offer sheet and hope the Mavs decline to match while they still have bigger hopes with their cap space.