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Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1661 » by F N 11 » Tue May 21, 2019 12:19 pm

How is RJ going to get that #5 from DSJ :lol:
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1662 » by Tron Carter » Tue May 21, 2019 12:20 pm

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no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.


OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.

Wiggins is a horrendous defender , rj is a pretty good defender


RJ was a bad defender at duke. I trust he’ll be better then Wiggins but he definitely wasn’t a good defender.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1663 » by knickstape21 » Tue May 21, 2019 12:20 pm

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no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.


OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.


go ahead and play revisionist history it doesn’t make your analysis any less wrong. RJ did play selfishly at duke, especially in the tournament and it’s an issue he needs to work on. just because you can’t admit that and rebuttal with a worthless blanket statement like “every single star throws bad passes, takes bad shot” just highlights a lack of objectivity for a player you’re convinced the knicks will draft.

we see right through you.


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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1664 » by Tron Carter » Tue May 21, 2019 12:21 pm

knickstape21 wrote:
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OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.


go ahead and play revisionist history it doesn’t make your analysis any less wrong. RJ did play selfishly at duke, especially in the tournament and it’s an issue he needs to work on. just because you can’t admit that and rebuttal with a worthless blanket statement like “every single star throws bad passes, takes bad shot” just highlights a lack of objectivity for a player you’re convinced the knicks will draft.

we see right through you.


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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1665 » by knickstape21 » Tue May 21, 2019 12:30 pm

Anyone interested in having a real conversation about the prospects in this draft? I’d really just like to talk ball, but these little gnats are getting in the way.

RJ needs more wiggle to his game also. Handle is good, but needs to learn to create more separation. I think he has the work ethic and athleticism to develop it. We’ve seen some flashes here and there of sweet step backs and crosses, but not nearly enough.

Defense needs work as well. Loses focus on defense a little too much, but again, shows flashes of both on and off ball defense.

Most underrated factor RJ would bring to the Knicks is energy. We lack it. He has it.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1666 » by F N 11 » Tue May 21, 2019 12:51 pm

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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1667 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue May 21, 2019 1:08 pm

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knickstape21 wrote:
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no it’s not a cop out answer it’s reality. Y’all just want to get defensive and distort reality because we’re in the range to select him.

we see right through y’all. be happy we have an opportunity to draft him but don’t try and bs us we’ve been watching him all season. He has serious issues with tunnel vision and his decision making he’s not the perfect prospect.


OF COURSE HES NOT THE PERFECT PROSPECT. HELLO!! “We see right through y’all” - nice answer bro. Complete lack of creativity in a response with no substance.

Ok so he has “tunnel vision” and throws a pass or two a game that make you scratch your head, but have you been watching the playoffs? Every single star player throws bad passes, takes a bad shot, doesn’t rotate on defense here and there, etc.

And you can believe me or not, but I have watched all season I don’t need a damn Tron Carter telling me what I did and didn’t do lol.

Back to the main point. RJ is not a selfish basketball player. Bad shots and some bad passes doesn’t give him that title. It would have been selfish of him NOT to be aggressive cause his team needed it in the worst of way.


go ahead and play revisionist history it doesn’t make your analysis any less wrong. RJ did play selfishly at duke, especially in the tournament and it’s an issue he needs to work on. just because you can’t admit that and rebuttal with a worthless blanket statement like “every single star throws bad passes, takes bad shot” just highlights a lack of objectivity for a player you’re convinced the knicks will draft.

we see right through you.


I'm not trying to get involved in your guys spat here... but RJ played some of his best team ball in the tournament. Not a good example for RJ's selfish tendencies.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1668 » by Juco24 » Tue May 21, 2019 1:14 pm

knickstape21 wrote:Anyone interested in having a real conversation about the prospects in this draft? I’d really just like to talk ball, but these little gnats are getting in the way.

RJ needs more wiggle to his game also. Handle is good, but needs to learn to create more separation. I think he has the work ethic and athleticism to develop it. We’ve seen some flashes here and there of sweet step backs and crosses, but not nearly enough.

Defense needs work as well. Loses focus on defense a little too much, but again, shows flashes of both on and off ball defense.

Most underrated factor RJ would bring to the Knicks is energy. We lack it. He has it.


As I said earlier... I remember Wade @ Marquette - RJ has a similar game. And RJ's a winner... has won at every level. Take a look at how close his stats are to Wade's as a sophomore. RJ's going to be good. Maybe not immediately but within a couple of years. Too much personal support to go along with abilities to not be good.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1669 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue May 21, 2019 1:22 pm

Juco24 wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:Anyone interested in having a real conversation about the prospects in this draft? I’d really just like to talk ball, but these little gnats are getting in the way.

RJ needs more wiggle to his game also. Handle is good, but needs to learn to create more separation. I think he has the work ethic and athleticism to develop it. We’ve seen some flashes here and there of sweet step backs and crosses, but not nearly enough.

Defense needs work as well. Loses focus on defense a little too much, but again, shows flashes of both on and off ball defense.

Most underrated factor RJ would bring to the Knicks is energy. We lack it. He has it.


As I said earlier... I remember Wade @ Marquette - RJ has a similar game. And RJ's a winner... has won at every level. Take a look at how close his stats are to Wade's as a sophomore. RJ's going to be good. Maybe not immediately but within a couple of years. Too much personal support to go along with abilities to not be good.


Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1670 » by GONYK » Tue May 21, 2019 1:39 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:Anyone interested in having a real conversation about the prospects in this draft? I’d really just like to talk ball, but these little gnats are getting in the way.

RJ needs more wiggle to his game also. Handle is good, but needs to learn to create more separation. I think he has the work ethic and athleticism to develop it. We’ve seen some flashes here and there of sweet step backs and crosses, but not nearly enough.

Defense needs work as well. Loses focus on defense a little too much, but again, shows flashes of both on and off ball defense.

Most underrated factor RJ would bring to the Knicks is energy. We lack it. He has it.


As I said earlier... I remember Wade @ Marquette - RJ has a similar game. And RJ's a winner... has won at every level. Take a look at how close his stats are to Wade's as a sophomore. RJ's going to be good. Maybe not immediately but within a couple of years. Too much personal support to go along with abilities to not be good.


Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...

In your opinion, what separates Barret from Tyreke Evans as a prospect?
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Post#1671 » by Capn'O » Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm

GONYK wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
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As I said earlier... I remember Wade @ Marquette - RJ has a similar game. And RJ's a winner... has won at every level. Take a look at how close his stats are to Wade's as a sophomore. RJ's going to be good. Maybe not immediately but within a couple of years. Too much personal support to go along with abilities to not be good.


Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...

In your opinion, what separates Barret from Tyreke Evans as a prospect?


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Post#1672 » by BBALLER4FR » Tue May 21, 2019 1:48 pm

Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...

In your opinion, what separates Barret from Tyreke Evans as a prospect?


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Post#1673 » by mgiangra » Tue May 21, 2019 1:51 pm

I’m sure i’m not the only one who feels this way but I rather draft rj and develop him along with other young players like mitch and keep our first round picks than gut our depth chart like the melo trade by going for AD and be back at square one in 5 years starting a new rebuild.
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Post#1674 » by thebuzzardman » Tue May 21, 2019 1:51 pm

GONYK wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
As I said earlier... I remember Wade @ Marquette - RJ has a similar game. And RJ's a winner... has won at every level. Take a look at how close his stats are to Wade's as a sophomore. RJ's going to be good. Maybe not immediately but within a couple of years. Too much personal support to go along with abilities to not be good.


Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...

In your opinion, what separates Barret from Tyreke Evans as a prospect?


Substance use? As in "lack of"?
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Post#1675 » by thebuzzardman » Tue May 21, 2019 1:51 pm

Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...

In your opinion, what separates Barret from Tyreke Evans as a prospect?


Lack of cocaine?


I responded before I saw this accurate post :D
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Post#1676 » by TheGreenArrow » Tue May 21, 2019 1:53 pm

Kyrie
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Thats a very versatile lineup. Best team in the league imo outside of the warriors.
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Re: Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond 

Post#1677 » by GONYK » Tue May 21, 2019 1:57 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:In your opinion, what separates Barret from Tyreke Evans as a prospect?


Lack of cocaine?


I responded before I saw this accurate post :D


I don't blame either of you for making the obvious joke, but the question remains.
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Post#1678 » by Juco24 » Tue May 21, 2019 1:58 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
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knickstape21 wrote:Anyone interested in having a real conversation about the prospects in this draft? I’d really just like to talk ball, but these little gnats are getting in the way.

RJ needs more wiggle to his game also. Handle is good, but needs to learn to create more separation. I think he has the work ethic and athleticism to develop it. We’ve seen some flashes here and there of sweet step backs and crosses, but not nearly enough.

Defense needs work as well. Loses focus on defense a little too much, but again, shows flashes of both on and off ball defense.

Most underrated factor RJ would bring to the Knicks is energy. We lack it. He has it.


As I said earlier... I remember Wade @ Marquette - RJ has a similar game. And RJ's a winner... has won at every level. Take a look at how close his stats are to Wade's as a sophomore. RJ's going to be good. Maybe not immediately but within a couple of years. Too much personal support to go along with abilities to not be good.


Think the differences there are that Wade had a knack for getting to the line more which helped his efficiency stay afloat, but the trade off is that RJ seems way more comfortable shooting from range than Wade ever did, so the hope would be that even though RJ may not get to the line at an elite rate he'll eventually be able to shoot somewhere from 33-38% from 3 on decent volume to help his efficiency mixed in with his ability to get to the line at an ok rate. Still a long way to go...


I could very well be wrong... but I don't remember Marquette Wade getting to the line like Pro Wade did. From what I recall (again, I could be wrong) he used that mid range game as his bread & butter and was able to knife through defenses. This is what I see right now from RJ. Neither was a very good from deep @ the collegiate level.
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Post#1679 » by knicks94 » Tue May 21, 2019 1:59 pm

mgiangra wrote:I’m sure i’m not the only one who feels this way but I rather draft rj and develop him along with other young players like mitch and keep our first round picks than gut our depth chart like the melo trade by going for AD and be back at square one in 5 years starting a new rebuild.

Let AD go to the Lakers so he could be worse off.
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Post#1680 » by Tron Carter » Tue May 21, 2019 2:01 pm

    Knicksfan1992 wrote:I'm not trying to get involved in your guys spat here... but RJ played some of his best team ball in the tournament. Not a good example for RJ's selfish tendencies.


    it’s really the shots he was taking and the times at which he decided to take them during a few games in the tournament. I know that his assist numbers were gaudy but go back and look at those college game threads a few of us we’re complaining about his shot selection. listen, the kid has all the talent in the world and i’ll be happy if the knicks decide to draft him, but he has clear flaws in his game. I just feel like now because he’s projected to go to us people are playing revisionist history. that doesn’t mean I have no faith he can correct those flaws but they are there.
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