MrPerfect1 wrote:Rainwater wrote:MrPerfect1 wrote:
Yes it is the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame. The NBA should have by far the biggest value or else it starts to become silly.
If someone dominates the D League and wins tons of titles there should they make the HOF? Should Marbury make the HOF for dominating in China? How about someone who dominates in High School and college and wins Medals in the Pan Am Games, U19, etc. All those are various Basketball leagues.
Kerr isn't in the same stratosphere of impact as Horry was. There is no role player that comes close to having the impact and deciding Championships like he did. Even when he was all but washed up he was deciding Championships when he got Stoudamire and Diaw suspended against the Spurs.
I really think you are making this Divac thing more complicated than it really is, lol. As the BASKETBALL hall of you should look at the hall of fame as categories if that helps: you have the front office, coaching, nba players, international players, women players, nba players and so on and so forth. Some guys fall in to many of these categories like Larry Bird and others may only fall into one like Sabonis. I think the problem you are having is that you are unable to separate these categories, if you were able to you would not be so upset that Divac is in the hall and Webber is not.
Getting upset that Divac got in the hall of fame is like getting upset that Tina Thompson and Pat Riley are in the hall of fame.
And I'm sorry but i really don't believe role players should be in the hall of fame. Role players are needed but its the stars that do the heavy lifting.
If it is for just Basketball then the Best High School players ever should make it. Heck, should the most Dominant AAU coaches make the HOF too??
Riley should make it for being a great NBA coach and Exec. Not a fan of Tina Thompson being in but at least she was among the Best of her gender, something many in the HOF (like Divac) cannot say.
I have no issues with the True All Time International Greats like Sabonis or Petrovic. How often was Vlade the Best player on a team? How about simply 2nd Best?
Dude, Pat Riley and Tina Thompson are both in the hall of fame.
Being one of the best on Yugioslavia is pretty damn good dude, you know if there was a Yugoslavian team today they would have a solid chance of beating USA. Vlade was a better player than Iguodalla was, not sure how this is even debatable.
I see people like this make really silly arguments like - the NBA is the most dominant league so therefore it is the only thing that matters - if you look at the HOF there is already a huge compensation of NBA players, so clearly the HOF does weight in NBA heavily. The difference is people like you want it to only be NBA only, when the HOF is not about the NBA.
How often when a European (who often also has amazing international credentials) or NCAA player makes the HOF someone says something like "hey, should a guy who dominates the D-League or China get in also?!" - failing to realize that there are NBA caliber players in both of those regions/leagues during periods of history. Not only are Europe and NCAA historically commercially important, but there have been all-star and even all-nba caliber players in those places, if you were the best player in the NCAA at one point then you were probably one of the best players in the world - naturally this prestige would trickle down to the more watered down one and done era. The Olympics very obviously has the best players in the world, and has unquestionably had them for the past 30 years, so obviously the best player on a non US national team that goes far in a world tournament will get a ton of credit.
The prestige and level of play is not akin to someone going and dominating the Filipino league at all - and it's either innocent ignorance or intellectual dishonesty that people try to make these comparisons. Sure, a G-league team technically has players who were very good in the NCAA, but it isn't a competition that is taken seriously nor is it coached properly, so being a good g-league player will never be seen as the same thing as being among the absolute best NCAA players. The NCAA is a more serious competition, better coached, more pressure and the best NCAA players are easily better than the best g league players even in the one and done era (compare Zion Williamson to Chris Boucher, the dleague mvp/dpoy which most people will have to wikipedia).
Iggy is a very good player, but he is the 5th best player on his team - and the gap between him and the 4th best player is seen as large. He was a low tier all-star in his prime, and when he had his own team he was kind of seen as a jabroni. Someone like Joe Johnson had a better nba career - the only difference is Iggy just has rings. Iggy has an FMVP which is great and all, but it's not as valuable as a RS MVP or even an all-nba selection, because everyone knows the context for why he got an FMVP (he wasn't the best player on his team, or even close).
Iggy's solo accomplishments are too tiny, he's not getting in the hall of fame for having 4 rings when he didn't make an all-star team in any single year he won a ring, that doesn't make a lot of sense in 2019. I mean Iggy made only one all-star team while being in a really weak conference his entire prime - he was probably underrated but the media clearly did not think very highly of him.
