Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[TGW]

This for sure, there is no point in emptying the warchest for ad without Kyrie.

If that was the case, I would try to trade a Brown based package for Bradley Beal..salaries would be tough to match without adding Smart though.

Smart, Beal, Tatum, Horford, Baynes. Bring back Mook and Hayward off the bench. There are so many ways we could move forward without AD and Kyrie and still compete at a very high level. A few teams like the Wiz, Pistons, OKC, Heat, Cavs who are pretty much stuck in no man's land would probably play ball and sell low on a few guys like Love, Griffin or maybe smaller role players like James Johnson, Waitrs, Winslow, Roberson, Tristan T..to name a few. Ainge has a billion ways to go to build a solid roster.

You could always try the approach of resign/match Terry for Smart money. Then package Jaylen, Terry, Yabu for Beal when the restrictions end.

Why in hell would the Wizards trade Beal for those guys? Get real.

[nickgammon]

If these rumors of Kyrie and AD teaming up in Brooklyn are true, I would be cool with it if Danny finds a way to get D’Angelo Russell out of it.

Russell’s timeline matches JB and JT’s really well. A lot of people lost faith this year, but Jaylen and Jayson are going to be All-Stars.

[Edug27]

Isiah Thomas was on "First Things First" this morning talking about Kyrie, and he pretty much stated what I've been saying for awhile now. Yes, Kyrie has things to learn about being a leader, and he will improve with time and experience. But there were also some dudes in the locker room that didn't want to be led... especially by Kyrie. Rozier mentioned many times he was competing with Kyrie and gunnin' for his spot. Jaylen had his own issues with finding his role in the offense.

IFFFF, and that's a big if, Kyrie is open to returning to Boston, then Danny needs to remove anyone from that locker room that does not want to be led by Kyrie. The team needs to be built AROUND Kyrie (and hopefully AD). A roster full of players that compliment him and personalities that blend well with his. Kyrie needs vets that are secure in their roles and are consistent in what they bring day in and day out. Players who understand the pecking order.

Because at the end of the day, as Isiah stated, KYRIE IS THE UNIQUE TALENT HERE. He is the star player with an elite skill set. Dudes like Rozier and Jaylen are replaceable.

Now, with all of that said, Kyrie has shown one big thing to me this year.... He's not a number 1. In order to be the best with Kyrie, you need a player in here that he gets along with and is superior to him. He's an ideal #2 option on a team.

Kyrie the victim!

Yep that's what the Celtics should do is listen to Isiah Thomas.

Not the victim, but definitely the better option to build around him rather than without him.

[Celts17Pride]

Isiah Thomas was on "First Things First" this morning talking about Kyrie, and he pretty much stated what I've been saying for awhile now. Yes, Kyrie has things to learn about being a leader, and he will improve with time and experience. But there were also some dudes in the locker room that didn't want to be led... especially by Kyrie. Rozier mentioned many times he was competing with Kyrie and gunnin' for his spot. Jaylen had his own issues with finding his role in the offense.

IFFFF, and that's a big if, Kyrie is open to returning to Boston, then Danny needs to remove anyone from that locker room that does not want to be led by Kyrie. The team needs to be built AROUND Kyrie (and hopefully AD). A roster full of players that compliment him and personalities that blend well with his. Kyrie needs vets that are secure in their roles and are consistent in what they bring day in and day out. Players who understand the pecking order.

Because at the end of the day, as Isiah stated, KYRIE IS THE UNIQUE TALENT HERE. He is the star player with an elite skill set. Dudes like Rozier and Jaylen are replaceable.

Now, with all of that said, Kyrie has shown one big thing to me this year.... He's not a number 1. In order to be the best with Kyrie, you need a player in here that he gets along with and is superior to him. He's an ideal #2 option on a team.

Kyrie the victim!

Yep that's what the Celtics should do is listen to Isiah Thomas.

Not the victim, but definitely the better option to build around him rather than without him.

Celtics have little choice. The Celtics have painted themselves into a corner with Kyrie. They have little choice but to try to resign him. I just don't believe Kyrie and Boston are a good match for each other.

[Edug27]

Kyrie the victim!

Yep that's what the Celtics should do is listen to Isiah Thomas.

Not the victim, but definitely the better option to build around him rather than without him.

Celtics have little choice. The Celtics have painted themselves into a corner with Kyrie. They have little choice but to try to resign him. I just don't believe Kyrie and Boston are a good match for each other.

This is exactly what I was getting at with my initial post. Kyrie and the CURRENT Celtics roster are not a good match for other. The issues have been well documented. Kyrie himself expressed his frustration dealing with the young dudes.

Now, Rozier is likely gone. Jaylen and Tatum are likely gone in any AD trade. Now the roster is clearly gutted. My advice, which was similar to Isiahs, is if you’re lucky enough to keep Kyrie and then trade for AD (big IF of course) you are pretty much starting over with Kyrie, AD, Hayward and Horford. Danny can now rebuild it in a way that will make it a better match for Kyrie.

And what’s a better match you ask? My take was a roster full of vets etc etc.. Young dudes who want to get paid and make a name for themselves clearly wasn’t a good combo with Kyrie.

Long story short.. I rather try to figure out what works with Kyrie, Rather than any other scenario. Of course it all depends on what Kyrie wants first.

[BRUNiNHO91]

If that was the case, I would try to trade a Brown based package for Bradley Beal..salaries would be tough to match without adding Smart though.

Smart, Beal, Tatum, Horford, Baynes. Bring back Mook and Hayward off the bench. There are so many ways we could move forward without AD and Kyrie and still compete at a very high level. A few teams like the Wiz, Pistons, OKC, Heat, Cavs who are pretty much stuck in no man's land would probably play ball and sell low on a few guys like Love, Griffin or maybe smaller role players like James Johnson, Waitrs, Winslow, Roberson, Tristan T..to name a few. Ainge has a billion ways to go to build a solid roster.

You could always try the approach of resign/match Terry for Smart money. Then package Jaylen, Terry, Yabu for Beal when the restrictions end.

Why in hell would the Wizards trade Beal for those guys? Get real.

Because they are a horrendous franchise that has nowhere to go and needs to start getting rid of Beal and Wall for young players and picks..in which case, that's a good deal. There would obviously be 3 or 4 first round picks going to Washington also.

[Creole_Ce1tic]

Kyrie needs someone to tell him to, "Shut The **** Up!!!"

Oh I agree but that isn’t gonna be a move Cs make going into recruitment of Kyrie to come back. If Kyrie leaves Boston what are his legitimate options.....Knick’s,Nets and Lakers. If so we could potentially make a deal to one of those teams for a sign and trade of a small piece back

Kyrie shouldn't factor into any offseason plans. Hes gone. Done. 100 percent out the door. The quicker we all accept that as fact the better off we will all be. Perk would be a solid voice for a team that needs it.

I can't breathe!!

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Like I’ve been saying, take away those 2-3 weeks he was drafted the guy just wants to get better.

He wants to work and is willing to do anything to make it.

Really hope we get to see that in Boston green.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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Like I’ve been saying, take away those 2-3 weeks he was drafted the guy just wants to get better.

He wants to work and is willing to do anything to make it.

Really hope we get to see that in Boston green.

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Like I’ve been saying, take away those 2-3 weeks he was drafted the guy just wants to get better.

He wants to work and is willing to do anything to make it.

Really hope we get to see that in Boston green.

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Like I’ve been saying, take away those 2-3 weeks he was drafted the guy just wants to get better.

He wants to work and is willing to do anything to make it.

Really hope we get to see that in Boston green.

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RWIII, my bad!

[Asian Celtic]

You could always try the approach of resign/match Terry for Smart money. Then package Jaylen, Terry, Yabu for Beal when the restrictions end.

Why in hell would the Wizards trade Beal for those guys? Get real.

Because they are a horrendous franchise that has nowhere to go and needs to start getting rid of Beal and Wall for young players and picks..in which case, that's a good deal. There would obviously be 3 or 4 first round picks going to Washington also.

I wouldn't mind if we lose Kyrie that we trade for Beal. That Tatum-Beal connection looks to be spicy af.

[cloverleaf]

Why in hell would the Wizards trade Beal for those guys? Get real.

Because they are a horrendous franchise that has nowhere to go and needs to start getting rid of Beal and Wall for young players and picks..in which case, that's a good deal. There would obviously be 3 or 4 first round picks going to Washington also.

I wouldn't mind if we lose Kyrie that we trade for Beal. That Tatum-Beal connection looks to be spicy af.

Beal is all of 25, of course. Rozier is just 9 months younger than him. And the answer for the C's is not to invest more in the guard position. They need some bigger domination in the front court.

[TGW]

Why in hell would the Wizards trade Beal for those guys? Get real.

Because they are a horrendous franchise that has nowhere to go and needs to start getting rid of Beal and Wall for young players and picks..in which case, that's a good deal. There would obviously be 3 or 4 first round picks going to Washington also.

I wouldn't mind if we lose Kyrie that we trade for Beal. That Tatum-Beal connection looks to be spicy af.

Yea too bad it'll never happen. Brown and Rozier aren't coveted anymore. That ship sailed a long time ago.

[Dannyboy36]

If these rumors of Kyrie and AD teaming up in Brooklyn are true, I would be cool with it if Danny finds a way to get D’Angelo Russell out of it.

Russell’s timeline matches JB and JT’s really well. A lot of people lost faith this year, but Jaylen and Jayson are going to be All-Stars.

I don’t think Tatum and brown will be all stars. Strike that- I think if brown puts in work to be a 1st, 2nd team all defense( I think he can) I could see him making a team. For what Tatum does well( (scoring in transition, and making challenging shots) I just think there will always be many guys better who can get to the hoop in the half court and have their head up and able to make good passes. Either way I’d love Russel here. I think we do better in the regular season and post season just replacing him over Kyrie, even though Kyrie is a lot more talented. I’d be very happy.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The window to trade for Beal was before Wall got hurt.. I suggested it at the time, something with Smart, Jaylen, and filler.. and I thought we should make moves to increase our flexibility for a Davis trade.. we never did the late-season MLE signing that was rumored, either..

[Andrew McCeltic]

If these rumors of Kyrie and AD teaming up in Brooklyn are true, I would be cool with it if Danny finds a way to get D’Angelo Russell out of it.

Russell’s timeline matches JB and JT’s really well. A lot of people lost faith this year, but Jaylen and Jayson are going to be All-Stars.

I don’t think Tatum and brown will be all stars. Strike that- I think if brown puts in work to be a 1st, 2nd team all defense( I think he can) I could see him making a team. For what Tatum does well( (scoring in transition, and making challenging shots) I just think there will always be many guys better who can get to the hoop in the half court and have their head up and able to make good passes. Either way I’d love Russel here. I think we do better in the regular season and post season just replacing him over Kyrie, even though Kyrie is a lot more talented. I’d be very happy.

Things change quickly.. Russell used to be considered a problem personality.. and a likely bust..

I think Jaylen is the best bet to bust out next year, if he has another intense summer training.. his handles and awareness are improving to the point where he could start scratching Butler/George levels as a scorer.. he’ll only be 23 at the start of the season..

[nickgammon]

If these rumors of Kyrie and AD teaming up in Brooklyn are true, I would be cool with it if Danny finds a way to get D’Angelo Russell out of it.

Russell’s timeline matches JB and JT’s really well. A lot of people lost faith this year, but Jaylen and Jayson are going to be All-Stars.

I don’t think Tatum and brown will be all stars. Strike that- I think if brown puts in work to be a 1st, 2nd team all defense( I think he can) I could see him making a team. For what Tatum does well( (scoring in transition, and making challenging shots) I just think there will always be many guys better who can get to the hoop in the half court and have their head up and able to make good passes. Either way I’d love Russel here. I think we do better in the regular season and post season just replacing him over Kyrie, even though Kyrie is a lot more talented. I’d be very happy.

Things change quickly.. Russell used to be considered a problem personality.. and a likely bust..

I think Jaylen is the best bet to bust out next year, if he has another intense summer training.. his handles and awareness are improving to the point where he could start scratching Butler/George levels as a scorer.. he’ll only be 23 at the start of the season..

Yeah, I still have very high hopes for JB. People got on his case, but I get why he was annoyed earlier in the season. Everyone wants him to be Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard, but he needs more minutes.

I still think JT can be Melo with average defense, which is a damn good player. He needs higher usage though.

I want Irving re-signed, but if he does walk, I’d rather not have a ball-dominant guard. Let the young guys continue developing and I feel confident both can become top-25 players

[Andrew McCeltic]

Tatum’s defensive ability and upside are way way above Melo