Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[DOT]

fox had a more projectable jumper, was a much better finisher, and actually played defense. not taking into account his level of competition yes he was a better prospect coming out then morant. ja’s the superior passer. athleticism wise fox gets down the floor quicker but ja is more explosive vertically.

fox was a stud coming out and there was a strong collective that liked him above zo and fultz

I've never understood why these two are linked. The hair? Very different players.

I really do think it’s the hair and slight builds

It's even worse when people compare him to Westbrook

His best comp is Rondo with more athleticism and none of the desire to play defense

[Triple C]

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It seems RK’s people know he’s coming here

[GONYK]

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Well, Nash was asked specifically about RJ getting drafted by the Knicks

[god shammgod]

you guys are fighting over if rj is gonna be good or not. meanwhile, i'm just thrilled the grizz are expected to take morant so we won't mistakenly do it.

[Orange Mamba]

“If he ever needs anything or he’s going through a tough time or something that’s bothering him. He never hesitates to reach out,” said Nash, 45, who has attended some of Barrett’s recent training sessions in L.A. “I was in the gym working out with him the other day.”

[GONYK]

you guys are fighting over if rj is gonna be good or not. meanwhile, i'm just thrilled the grizz are expected to take morant so we won't mistakenly do it.

You ain't lying

[Gravy]

If we got the #2 pick who would y'all really want. Did we talk ourselves into liking RJ more or is this for real?

[HarthorneWingo]

you guys are fighting over if rj is gonna be good or not. meanwhile, i'm just thrilled the grizz are expected to take morant so we won't mistakenly do it.

Exactly. It's going to be RJ and I'm fine with that. Question is whether we trade him or not.

[Fat]

If we got the #2 pick who would y'all really want. Did we talk ourselves into liking RJ more or is this for real?

Still RJ, imagine the knicks successfully developing a young point guard

[Knicksfan1992]

OKC is also looking to move on from Andre Roberson by giving a promise to Matisse Thybule. Gotta imagine they will be looking to deal Hami Diallo or TFerg but I'm guessing it's gonna be Diallo

I do wonder if the Knicks would be tempted to deal Frank for Andre. You're basically getting actualized potential Frank and we know Robertson would fill a role on a KD led team. I'm just deathly afraid of his knee injuries.

[awy]

rj’s pushed into the role of the next great player by powerful people around him all his life but that ambition has to meet reality eventually.

better value is to trade down from 2 on, provided you get kd etc.

if kd isnt coming trade into the draft with better and deeper elite guys. next year or year with bates

[Fat]

this might be a reach but RJ to me is like a more explosive wing Forward/G version of SGA

-Neither really flashy dribblers but super effective attacking the rim/finishing
-Both lefties
-Both super effective in the P&R
-Both play with competitive streaks (RJ's more animated)
-Neither exactly viewed as true shooters but more than capable of hitting the 3 (Shai is better)

idk it probably isnt the best comparison but i think its a fair one to an extent. They bring similar strengths to the game.

of course Shai is a better defender/playmaker and while RJ may not be as good in those areas he still possess a greater overall upside as a player.

[F N 11]

RJ fits the bill

[awy]

RJ not super effective at pnr.

86 possessions 37% FG% and 0.74 PPP- 49th percentile

[Fat]

RJ not super effective at pnr.

86 possessions 37% FG% and 0.74 PPP- 49th percentile

He is, you have to take into account the way teams defended Duke and the lack of spacing which allowed teams to build walls against duke on driving attempts. zion wasnt a shooter, cam capable shooter but more a streak shooter, trey jones another bad shooter.

His decision making was up and down i wouldnt argue that its something normal for a 18 year old, but he was definitely very effective in the P&R as the ball handler

[F N 11]

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[Mtowngrizz]

I dunno man, I still think the Griz take him.
They don’t own their pick next year.
They might as well ride it out and stay competitive with Conley, JJ, Barrett, Jonas, Bruno (whos improved a lot).
I think in a workout setting RJ is gonna show out.
Unless he torpedoes it on purpose...

And I think the opposite of Ja. Up close in a workout setting his warts will show more.
I dunno. (Whoever) Probably getting traded for AD anyway.

We gonna draft Ja and start him next to Conley because while Ja is skinny he's 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan and ridiculous verticle. Conley is really good off the ball and is excellent coming off of screens shooting 3's. This will also allow Conley to only play around 28-30 minutes a night which is better for his soon to be 32 year old body. Also we need to win as many games as possible so that either Boston gets a poor lottery pick like they got from the Kings this year or if we jump in the top 4 we get to keep the pick since it's still top 6 protected next year.

Do you think there is any chance Conley is moved?

Sure there is a chance but Conley is still owed damn near $70 million dollars on his contract. That would be a hard sale to a fan base for a 32 year old guy who has never made an all nba or even all star team. People in Memphis love Conley because he's the last remaining piece of grit and grind so they won't mind him playing with Ja and Jaren for another year or two.

[awy]

RJ not super effective at pnr.

86 possessions 37% FG% and 0.74 PPP- 49th percentile

He is, you have to take into account the way teams defended Duke and the lack of spacing which allowed teams to build walls against duke on driving attempts. zion wasnt a shooter, cam capable shooter but more a streak shooter, trey jones another bad shooter.

His decision making was up and down i wouldnt argue that its something normal for a 18 year old, but he was definitely very effective in the P&R as the ball handler

in pnr his handle isnt good enough to have a lot of change of direction/wiggle so he wasnt beating many guys off the drive. it was mostly just forcing up a floater when he cant get all the way to rim or go straight into guys and push off for a shot.

he had the best pnr roller in college basketball history on the team btw

[Fat]

RJ not super effective at pnr.

86 possessions 37% FG% and 0.74 PPP- 49th percentile

He is, you have to take into account the way teams defended Duke and the lack of spacing which allowed teams to build walls against duke on driving attempts. zion wasnt a shooter, cam capable shooter but more a streak shooter, trey jones another bad shooter.

His decision making was up and down i wouldnt argue that its something normal for a 18 year old, but he was definitely very effective in the P&R as the ball handler

in pnr his handle isnt good enough to have a lot of change of direction/wiggle so he wasnt beating many guys off the drive. it was mostly just forcing up a floater when he cant get all the way to rim or go straight into guys and push off for a shot.

he had the best pnr roller in college basketball history on the team btw

There was no space to beat guys they literally packed the paint against duke underneath or it was put a man or RJ/zion and have the other 3 play some kind of zone while you dare duke to beat you from the outside none of the centers arent beating you, tre jones isnt beating you and you live with cam being hot or not.

Their was a reason RJ had the ball in his hands so much the way he did on the perimeter he was the only true threat out their to make something happen and teams tried their best to neutralize him and zion from the rim. it didnt have anything to do with him being incapable of executing a pick and roll play because he was uncomfortable in that situation or lacked the ability to get by his man. Duke was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country last season and that meant a condensed floor that didn't fully showcase Barrett's playmaking side

i wish i could show some these video clips but im not sure how to do non youtube video links.

But we shall see if he truly isnt effective in the P&R in the NBA under a open setting with room to actually operate and ontop of that your god father is one of the masters of the pick&roll in steve nash? ill take that bet on

[alphad0gz]

RJ not super effective at pnr.

86 possessions 37% FG% and 0.74 PPP- 49th percentile

He is, you have to take into account the way teams defended Duke and the lack of spacing which allowed teams to build walls against duke on driving attempts. zion wasnt a shooter, cam capable shooter but more a streak shooter, trey jones another bad shooter.

His decision making was up and down i wouldnt argue that its something normal for a 18 year old, but he was definitely very effective in the P&R as the ball handler

in pnr his handle isnt good enough to have a lot of change of direction/wiggle so he wasnt beating many guys off the drive. it was mostly just forcing up a floater when he cant get all the way to rim or go straight into guys and push off for a shot.

he had the best pnr roller in college basketball history on the team btw

How many different ways are you going to find to tell us you don't like Barrett? We get it...over and over we get it. Find another bone to chew on, will you?