ecuhus1981 wrote:Prok, let someone else get the last word on the top-15 debate.
fair enough
As for your assessment of Wiggins, let me put it to you this way. We could make some easy moves to get one max FA slot beyond D'Angelo's cap hold. Other than that, we can 1) either pay to jettison contracts and put ourselves in position for another max FA, or 2) we can absorb salary for youth assets that can hopefully entice that max FA as much. We don't NEED to do either, but my hunch is that either of these routes will do more to convince an elite max FA to sign.
there is a third option, just sign 1 max free agent and roll with it from there. no need to take on arguably the leagues worst contract for an awful player in wiggins who has the label of being a guy who isnt competitive and doesnt have much drive.
I cant see a max player wanting to come play with wiggings. for one, he isnt good. second we know butler wont be that guy. third, the max player knows no other help is coming because wiggins is eating up a ton of cap. last, we have real repeated tax problems
The deal that I proposed on the T&T board, Crabbe/Dinwiddie/27/31 for Wiggins/11/13, certainly has its detractors. But I believe that the value exchange is balanced. We sign a 2nd max guy instead of the aforementioned incoming trade package, by trading that exact same package for pure, uncut capspace. But is a 30yo Jimmy Butler worth TWO LOTTERY PICKS more than a 24yo Wiggins? Andrew may have flat-lined, but Butler's needle is pointing down, while his contract will keep pointing up.
We dont need cap space to sign a max guy. we can buy out crabbe to get there. wiggins isnt worth the picks or dinwiddie.
What would you rather have at the next training camp:
1) a 30yo Jimmy Butler signed to a 4-year, $144mil deal, or
2) a 24yo Wiggins, a 20yo Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and a 19yo Sekou Doumbouya
Option 2 plus whoever we take at 17 and 27. and its not even remotely close. i view wiggins as one of the 3 most negative assets in the league. for me he is THE worst because he is a negative cap wise but also a negative on the court and rumored to be a negative from a locker room/work ethic stand point
The cap hit is the same, and honestly, I think the impact on winning would be higher on door #2. In 2021, Butler's deal is going to look alot like Chris Paul's does now. If Andrew gives you any more efficiency than he does now, it just increases the trade value return.
this is the kind of move you make if you plan to tank. the nets are not tanking. butler has somewhere between infinity and infinitiy plys one more impact on winning as opposed to wiggins.
At the end of the day, none of us knows where any FA will land. Either of these moves could increase or decrease our chances. The one thing I don't want to see us do is NOT make any moves from where we stand, and end up with a 3rd-tier FA like Julius Randle or Nikola Mirotic, singed to near-max money (4 years, ~105mil). I think you and I can both agree about that!
i agree on randle and mirotic... id rank those as only slightly better then wiggins.
we dont know what will happen in free agency, but i can all but gaurantee wiggins wont be a net.
