Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[alphad0gz]

this might be a reach but RJ to me is like a more explosive wing Forward/G version of SGA

-Neither really flashy dribblers but super effective attacking the rim/finishing
-Both lefties
-Both super effective in the P&R
-Both play with competitive streaks (RJ's more animated)
-Neither exactly viewed as true shooters but more than capable of hitting the 3 (Shai is better)

idk it probably isnt the best comparison but i think its a fair one to an extent. They bring similar strengths to the game.

of course Shai is a better defender/playmaker and while RJ may not be as good in those areas he still possess a greater overall upside as a player.

No. He is a scorer who can facilitate and rebound. Not a facilitator who scores a bit. Just because they share a few abilities doesn't make them similar players. SGA is more like Frank with a jump shot.

[awy]

He is, you have to take into account the way teams defended Duke and the lack of spacing which allowed teams to build walls against duke on driving attempts. zion wasnt a shooter, cam capable shooter but more a streak shooter, trey jones another bad shooter.

His decision making was up and down i wouldnt argue that its something normal for a 18 year old, but he was definitely very effective in the P&R as the ball handler

in pnr his handle isnt good enough to have a lot of change of direction/wiggle so he wasnt beating many guys off the drive. it was mostly just forcing up a floater when he cant get all the way to rim or go straight into guys and push off for a shot.

he had the best pnr roller in college basketball history on the team btw

There was no space to beat guys they literally packed the paint against duke underneath or it was put a man or RJ/zion and have the other 3 play some kind of zone while you dare duke to beat you from the outside none of the centers arent beating you, tre jones isnt beating you and you live with cam being hot or not.

Their was a reason RJ had the ball in his hands so much the way he did on the perimeter he was the only true threat out their to make something happen and teams tried their best to neutralize him and zion from the rim. it didnt have anything to do with him being incapable of executing a pick and roll play because he was uncomfortable in that situation or lacked the ability to get by his man. Duke was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country last season and that meant a condensed floor that didn't fully showcase Barrett's playmaking side

i wish i could show some these video clips but im not sure how to do non youtube video links.

But we shall see if he truly isnt effective in the P&R in the NBA under a open setting with room to actually operate and ontop of that your god father is one of the masters of the pick&roll in steve nash? ill take that bet on

the nba spacing thing with rj is not a catch all excuse. yes it will help, but it wont help him that much if he isnt able to overpower stronger and longer defenders at the next level.

the fact of the matter is his drives are straight and predictable. the college efficiency is what it is, underwhelming even compared to his peers on teams that have no shooting or other threats either.

[F N 11]

Got a workout with Fletcher Magee. Aiming for shooters as promised. I like how he’s a JJ type and not just a spot up type.

[Context]

you guys are fighting over if rj is gonna be good or not. meanwhile, i'm just thrilled the grizz are expected to take morant so we won't mistakenly do it.

it aint over yet Sham...

[Context]

rj’s pushed into the role of the next great player by powerful people around him all his life but that ambition has to meet reality eventually.

better value is to trade down from 2 on, provided you get kd etc.

if kd isnt coming trade into the draft with better and deeper elite guys. next year or year with bates

what do you mean by this in regards to RJ? Are you suggesting that his ambition is not there?

[Cookies4Life]

I don't know why some people are down on Barrett. The guy averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg and 4apg as a college player. Those numbers are outstanding, especially doing that on a Duke team which always plays against tough competition throughout the year. His efficiency numbers (45%FG, 31% 3 pt) aren't as bad as people make it out to be either- granted he could've shot a little bit better behind the arc last season but everyone on that team had issues with their 3 point shot- including Reddish who was supposed to be a dead eye shooter for them.

RJ's FT% does need to improve though if he wants to be an alpha scorer in this league. He has the type of game that I can see him being one of the league leaders in FT attempts per game.

Everyone knows what his flaws are already but when you think of his age and overall potential, this kid has a chance to be a perennial all star in this league. He looks like he'll probably play at the 2 most of the time and I can also see him slide to the 3 if they play Knox spot minutes at the 4.

I'm impressed with our scouts and they've accumulated a lot of young talent here the past few seasons. It'll be interesting to see what they do with the 2nd round pick and if we can grab any more undrafted jewels from as well.

[DrCoach]

R.J. could be the best player in this class

[Meat]

R.J. could be the best player in this class

Schroeder’s player. This statement applies to literally any and everyone in the draft

[Jeff Van Gully]

this might be a reach but RJ to me is like a more explosive wing Forward/G version of SGA

-Neither really flashy dribblers but super effective attacking the rim/finishing
-Both lefties
-Both super effective in the P&R
-Both play with competitive streaks (RJ's more animated)
-Neither exactly viewed as true shooters but more than capable of hitting the 3 (Shai is better)

idk it probably isnt the best comparison but i think its a fair one to an extent. They bring similar strengths to the game.

of course Shai is a better defender/playmaker and while RJ may not be as good in those areas he still possess a greater overall upside as a player.

No. He is a scorer who can facilitate and rebound. Not a facilitator who scores a bit. Just because they share a few abilities doesn't make them similar players. SGA is more like Frank with a jump shot.

and heart

[Jeff Van Gully]

R.J. could be the best player in this class

Schroeder’s player. This statement applies to literally any and everyone in the draft

technically. but i think you know there's a tier of talent that RJ is on that most others aren't.

i think this conditional is intended for application to a handful of guys.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I don't know why some people are down on Barrett. The guy averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg and 4apg as a college player. Those numbers are outstanding, especially doing that on a Duke team which always plays against tough competition throughout the year. His efficiency numbers (45%FG, 31% 3 pt) aren't as bad as people make it out to be either- granted he could've shot a little bit better behind the arc last season but everyone on that team had issues with their 3 point shot- including Reddish who was supposed to be a dead eye shooter for them.

RJ's FT% does need to improve though if he wants to be an alpha scorer in this league. He has the type of game that I can see him being one of the league leaders in FT attempts per game.

Everyone knows what his flaws are already but when you think of his age and overall potential, this kid has a chance to be a perennial all star in this league. He looks like he'll probably play at the 2 most of the time and I can also see him slide to the 3 if they play Knox spot minutes at the 4.

I'm impressed with our scouts and they've accumulated a lot of young talent here the past few seasons. It'll be interesting to see what they do with the 2nd round pick and if we can grab any more undrafted jewels from as well.

the decision making and shooting were my only concerns with RJ. and to be fair, the former improved steadily. and with such a short sample, it's not so easy to develop.

i need to see MUCH more consistent shooting. but if he addresses that, he's a star in the making. and he's one of those guys who is kind of made for the current style of NBA play. i could see his shooting benefiting from the spacing and increased surrounding talent at the NBA level.

[blueNorange]

enough time has passed that if you don't want to keep the #3 pick, you're lost.

however if memphis draft barrett, then maybe trade or draft culver.

avoid morant like the plague.

[blueNorange]

you guys are fighting over if rj is gonna be good or not. meanwhile, i'm just thrilled the grizz are expected to take morant so we won't mistakenly do it.

i'm glad i'm not the only one, something about him doesn't seem right.

[mpharris36]

you guys are fighting over if rj is gonna be good or not. meanwhile, i'm just thrilled the grizz are expected to take morant so we won't mistakenly do it.

i'm glad i'm not the only one, something about him doesn't seem right.

if Memphis does for some reason go Barrett im trading 3 to the suns so they can get Morant. For #6 and there unprotected 2020 pick.

You would get one of Garland/Culver/Hunter + suns unprotected 2020.

[thebuzzardman]

All this bickering over RJ is delicious. He'll surely be a Knick now.

[awy]

fwiw i would take rj over morant in the knicks position if i have to roster the player rather than trade.

would probably take rj 3rd actually. garland 2.

but that's not the same as being happy with it.

[god shammgod]

rj's number one problem is decision making. some might say efficiency but i see that as mostly a product of his decision making. i didn't watch rj and say to myself he keeps missing easy shots. whether he corrects that or not who can know, but that is a correctable problem. there's other things too, working on his off hand, 3 point shooting, etc. but very few guys come into the league complete in all areas.

[god shammgod]

fwiw i would take rj over morant in the knicks position if i have to roster the player rather than trade.

would probably take rj 3rd actually. garland 2.

but that's not the same as being happy with it.

i might do the same but nobody in the top 3 is gonna do that

[GONYK]

rj's number one problem is decision making. some might say efficiency but i see that as mostly a product of his decision making. i didn't watch rj and say to myself he keeps missing easy shots. whether he corrects that or not who can know, but that is a correctable problem. there's other things too, working on his off hand, 3 point shooting, etc. but very few guys come into the league complete in all areas.

A large factor in his inefficiency was his decision making.

On the other hand, he wasn't that good in spot up situations and his FT shooting is all on him.

But, those things are correctable.

Look how Fiz fixed Knox and Mudiay

[god shammgod]

rj's number one problem is decision making. some might say efficiency but i see that as mostly a product of his decision making. i didn't watch rj and say to myself he keeps missing easy shots. whether he corrects that or not who can know, but that is a correctable problem. there's other things too, working on his off hand, 3 point shooting, etc. but very few guys come into the league complete in all areas.

A large factor in his inefficiency was his decision making.

On the other hand, he wasn't that good in spot up situations and his FT shooting is all on him.

But, those things are correctable.

Look how Fiz fixed Knox and Mudiay

well....

somebody taught dotson how to shoot at least. that's something i guess.