2018 Trade Ideas thread

[tamaraw08]

I'd do it if Pelicans prefer the #7 over Ball. Pretty over Ball myself, absolutely useless in the half court.

Right. Is he really that bad in the half-court? Do you think, objectively, the 7th is fair value, or is Lonzo not that good?

Because obviously I haven't watched full clips, I see the the transition ability, the defense, the passing, and there's a lot to like. Obviously the shooting is a big limitation and as you said, he doesn't seem like a good initiator in the half-court.

Would he work better in a multi ball handler situation in the half court? Do you have any hope for his 3 ball or FT%?

He's pretty divisive, amongst this board in particular I'm sure as well, so interested to get a better guage of him.

Yeah he is one of the worst starting half court PG's in the league. Most of it comes down to his shot being so bad and his lack of willingness to attack the rim because he might get sent to the free throw line. He is pretty easy to defend on the PnR because defenders don'0t have to respect his shot. He is a very bad fit with LeBron in the half court. His defense is very good but I think overrated by most Laker fans. Still one of the better defensive and rebounding guards in the league though. His passing and vision on the transition is great and much better than his half court passing.

Honestly most of my dislike for Lonzo comes down to his lack of shooting that absolutely kills a lot of the value he does bring. I can't see his shot ever getting fixed or atleast any time soon. I think the biggest indicator of his shot not being fixed quickly are his FT's. The recurring leg problems are also a concern. I myself hope Lonzo gets traded in a package for Beal or AD, I just see him losing value the longer we keep him.

Pretty good assessment of Ball but I am not sure his defense is being over rated. Great point about having that difficulty even just fixing his FTs and my biggest concern is his ability to stay healthy. First year, he missed games bec of a bum shoulder, sore knees etc. One game he had to sit bec of cramps. But he is still young and chances are he will get stronger and be able to finish strong around the rim but God forbid, if he gets injured again, I don't think any team would take him in.

[AcecardZ]

Would you trade Lonzo + Ingram\Kuzma + hart + This year Draft pick for Zion ?

A resounding yes with a fist pump high five anyone and everyone within 50 feet of me.


With that said NO is never letting Zion go unless Zion tells them he will never be happy in NO and at this point there is zero indication of this.

[kblo247]

What do you think the wizards would want for Bradley Beal?

Kcp s&t and ingram?

Why the hell would KCP send himself to Washington ?

Cause they would be dumb enough to pay him like 15 million per year.

HEdn't let himself be sent to Chicago because he had freedom of choice and wasn't in the Ariza trade or NOLA trade because he didn't want to go to either place.

[Lakers24gm]

I think Lakers put a focus this offseason in acquiring a big man. Based on Vogel defense plan he needs a big to sit back and protect the rim. Myles Turner would be someone I’d look at with Sabonis there and those two not really fitting.

Brandon Ingram
Josh Hart
4th Pick

For

Myles Turner
Doug McDermott

[zimpy27]

Lakers give: Lonzo, Ingram, Wagner, pick 4
Lakers get: AD
Lineup: Kemba/Kyrie, Hart, LeBron, Kuzma, AD

Bulls give: LaVine, pick 7
Bulls get: Lonzo, Wagner, Wood, pick 4
Lineup: Lonzo, Garland, Porter, Lauri, Carter

Pelicans give: AD, Wood
Pelicans get: LaVine, Ingram, pick 7
Lineup: Jrue, LaVine, Ingram, Zion, Bol


I think everyone wins with this deal.

[wco81]

I think teams will wait on Ingram until he plays at least the first half of the season without his blood clot issues resurfacing.

Especially since he's an impending RFA in the summer of 2020.

It would be very surprising if any team did a trade with the Lakers with Ingram as a major piece before the season began or before the end of the calendar year.

He'll have to show he can sustain 30-35 MPG over 40 games. If there are any signs of the blood clot issue again or the Lakers really cut back his minutes from last season before he was shelved, teams are going to be suspicious.

BI will probably be looking for at least a $15-20 million a year over 4 or 5 years. Teams will have to account for that.

[loveshaq786]

[quote="wco81"]I think teams will wait on Ingram until he plays at least the first half of the season without his blood clot issues resurfacing.

Especially since he's an impending RFA in the summer of 2020.

It would be very surprising if any team did a trade with the Lakers with Ingram as a major piece before the season began or before the end of the calendar year.

He'll have to show he can sustain 30-35 MPG over 40 games. If there are any signs of the blood clot issue again or the Lakers really cut back his minutes from last season before he was shelved, teams are going to be suspicious.

BI will probably be looking for at least a $15-20 million a year over 4 or 5 years. Teams will have to account for that.[/quote]

True. But he is still sooo young. And his value is still extremely high. He will be a monster next season.

For cap puposes ... Wendall Carter>sabonis>Myles Turner

We have to make Beal a priority over AD, especially when horford could be had, if he opts out. Call me crazy but Beal AND horford could be argued as better than AD, alone. We always focus on the big fish and lose out on many difference makers. We don't have Jerry West running things anymore. Everyone tries to take advantage of us.

I don't want to give up lonzo... But for wendall, that's a great deal. Solid big man that can move and doesn't have many weaknesses. Lonzo and future first for WC and #7........if they want us to take Dunn, so be it. This or no deal.

Ingram and #7 for Beal. Washington ain't winning any with that roster. Best chance for young talent and cap space.

Plan A: KWAHI OR KLAY
Plan B: horford and Kyrie

Best case: Beal/Hart/kwahi/LeBron/wendall

I think Kyrie, Beal and horford are definitely real options. Which we still put as at championship caliber

Kyrie/Beal/kuz/LeBron/horford

Garland (or if we miraculously get Barrett) zo, and hart off the bench.

[Spens1]

I posted this on the main forum but:

To Lakers:
Anthony Davis

To Pelicans:
4th Pick
6th Pick
Brandon Ingram
Josh Hart

To Suns:
Lonzo Ball


Lakers move Lonzo Ball out for the 6th pick in Phoenix and move on from Ingram and Hart as well. It is a kings randsom to be honest but its well worth it if it lands A.D (and should clear enough space for a max slot in the form of Kawhi Leonard or Kemba Walker/Kyrie Irving, ideally Kawhi + an MLE at P.G like Rubio).

Phoenix should be jumping for joy with Lonzo being moved for 6 straight up. He's perfect next to Booker and would be great at feeding Ayton as well, with Lonzo's shooting issues not such a big issue when playing next to Booker. It is a tremendous trio of talent that you can live with giving up the pick given the return.

The Pelicans do very well, Ingram, Hart and two really good picks, if the Knicks decide they don't like RJ (and with Culver or Garland, i think there's always that chance), you're potentially getting Zion, RJ and Cam Reddish as a draft trio (or even Zion, RJ and Garland/Hunter/White etc), not a bad way to start off the rebuild (and that's with Holiday still there).



Then:

Sign Kawhi Leonard during the F.A
Sign Ricky Rubio to an MLE (the entire thing)
Buy a second to pick up Charles Bassey (without the transfer scandal he'd be a top 10 pick, he's not worse than Hayes), Philly or Sacramanto probably.
Find a way to get Rui Hachimura if he falls past the lottery (trade a future first if you have to). Boston is the most likely here at 20ish.
Bring BroLo back somehow (and admit it was wrong to let him go), if not him, then Kanter, Rolo, Davis or if we must, McGee (all on minimums though).
Find some shooting (any chance Reggie Bullock comes cheap, great, if not, try and convince Danny Green to take a paycut, if not, Ellington or Seth Curry since i doubt we can afford Lamb if we're getting Rubio via MLE).
Make a play for MKG, its unlikely we could afford him but its worth a shot, if not him, Thabo Sefalosha or Ariza.
Taj Gibson at P.F would be ideal (perfect foil to Kuzma, he's a no nonsense P.F who is a good leader as well).

Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-A.D
???-Ellington/Bullock/Curry-MKG/Thabo/Ariza-Gibson-BroLo/Rolo/Davis/Kanter/McGee
Hachimura-Bassey

we'd win the title with that lineup i feel.


Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-Davis

[zimpy27]

I posted this on the main forum but:

To Lakers:
Anthony Davis

To Pelicans:
4th Pick
6th Pick
Brandon Ingram
Josh Hart

To Suns:
Lonzo Ball


Lakers move Lonzo Ball out for the 6th pick in Phoenix and move on from Ingram and Hart as well. It is a kings randsom to be honest but its well worth it if it lands A.D (and should clear enough space for a max slot in the form of Kawhi Leonard or Kemba Walker/Kyrie Irving, ideally Kawhi + an MLE at P.G like Rubio).

Phoenix should be jumping for joy with Lonzo being moved for 6 straight up. He's perfect next to Booker and would be great at feeding Ayton as well, with Lonzo's shooting issues not such a big issue when playing next to Booker. It is a tremendous trio of talent that you can live with giving up the pick given the return.

The Pelicans do very well, Ingram, Hart and two really good picks, if the Knicks decide they don't like RJ (and with Culver or Garland, i think there's always that chance), you're potentially getting Zion, RJ and Cam Reddish as a draft trio (or even Zion, RJ and Garland/Hunter/White etc), not a bad way to start off the rebuild (and that's with Holiday still there).



Then:

Sign Kawhi Leonard during the F.A
Sign Ricky Rubio to an MLE (the entire thing)
Buy a second to pick up Charles Bassey (without the transfer scandal he'd be a top 10 pick, he's not worse than Hayes), Philly or Sacramanto probably.
Find a way to get Rui Hachimura if he falls past the lottery (trade a future first if you have to). Boston is the most likely here at 20ish.
Bring BroLo back somehow (and admit it was wrong to let him go), if not him, then Kanter, Rolo, Davis or if we must, McGee (all on minimums though).
Find some shooting (any chance Reggie Bullock comes cheap, great, if not, try and convince Danny Green to take a paycut, if not, Ellington or Seth Curry since i doubt we can afford Lamb if we're getting Rubio via MLE).
Make a play for MKG, its unlikely we could afford him but its worth a shot, if not him, Thabo Sefalosha or Ariza.
Taj Gibson at P.F would be ideal (perfect foil to Kuzma, he's a no nonsense P.F who is a good leader as well).

Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-A.D
???-Ellington/Bullock/Curry-MKG/Thabo/Ariza-Gibson-BroLo/Rolo/Davis/Kanter/McGee
Hachimura-Bassey

we'd win the title with that lineup i feel.


Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-Davis

Lakers have to renounce all cap holds just to sign Kawhi to 31.6m (.8m under the max).
Lakers can then trade Ingram, Ball, pick 4 for AD.
At this point Lakers only have a room exception to spend worth $4.7m and then some space for 3 minimum salaries with no experience. Collison is probably the best player at $4.7m though he likely gets more. BroLo definitely gets more.

I think best Lakers can hope for is Collison, Hart, Kawhi, LeBron, AD with Bonga, Kuzma, Wagner and a couple of minimum guys
Then the best they can do this offseason.

[wco81]

I posted this on the main forum but:

To Lakers:
Anthony Davis

To Pelicans:
4th Pick
6th Pick
Brandon Ingram
Josh Hart

To Suns:
Lonzo Ball


Lakers move Lonzo Ball out for the 6th pick in Phoenix and move on from Ingram and Hart as well. It is a kings randsom to be honest but its well worth it if it lands A.D (and should clear enough space for a max slot in the form of Kawhi Leonard or Kemba Walker/Kyrie Irving, ideally Kawhi + an MLE at P.G like Rubio).

Phoenix should be jumping for joy with Lonzo being moved for 6 straight up. He's perfect next to Booker and would be great at feeding Ayton as well, with Lonzo's shooting issues not such a big issue when playing next to Booker. It is a tremendous trio of talent that you can live with giving up the pick given the return.

The Pelicans do very well, Ingram, Hart and two really good picks, if the Knicks decide they don't like RJ (and with Culver or Garland, i think there's always that chance), you're potentially getting Zion, RJ and Cam Reddish as a draft trio (or even Zion, RJ and Garland/Hunter/White etc), not a bad way to start off the rebuild (and that's with Holiday still there).



Then:

Sign Kawhi Leonard during the F.A
Sign Ricky Rubio to an MLE (the entire thing)
Buy a second to pick up Charles Bassey (without the transfer scandal he'd be a top 10 pick, he's not worse than Hayes), Philly or Sacramanto probably.
Find a way to get Rui Hachimura if he falls past the lottery (trade a future first if you have to). Boston is the most likely here at 20ish.
Bring BroLo back somehow (and admit it was wrong to let him go), if not him, then Kanter, Rolo, Davis or if we must, McGee (all on minimums though).
Find some shooting (any chance Reggie Bullock comes cheap, great, if not, try and convince Danny Green to take a paycut, if not, Ellington or Seth Curry since i doubt we can afford Lamb if we're getting Rubio via MLE).
Make a play for MKG, its unlikely we could afford him but its worth a shot, if not him, Thabo Sefalosha or Ariza.
Taj Gibson at P.F would be ideal (perfect foil to Kuzma, he's a no nonsense P.F who is a good leader as well).

Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-A.D
???-Ellington/Bullock/Curry-MKG/Thabo/Ariza-Gibson-BroLo/Rolo/Davis/Kanter/McGee
Hachimura-Bassey

we'd win the title with that lineup i feel.


Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-Davis

Lakers have to renounce all cap holds just to sign Kawhi to 31.6m (.8m under the max).
Lakers can then trade Ingram, Ball, pick 4 for AD.
At this point Lakers only have a room exception to spend worth $4.7m and then some space for 3 minimum salaries with no experience. Collison is probably the best player at $4.7m though he likely gets more. BroLo definitely gets more.

I think best Lakers can hope for is Collison, Hart, Kawhi, LeBron, AD with Bonga, Kuzma, Wagner and a couple of minimum guys
Then the best they can do this offseason.

Lakers would be committing grand larceny if they can pull this off:

Lakers can then trade Ingram, Ball, pick 4 for AD.

Griffin would be stupid to take BI as a major piece without proof that he can play starter minutes and have production.

[zimpy27]

I posted this on the main forum but:

To Lakers:
Anthony Davis

To Pelicans:
4th Pick
6th Pick
Brandon Ingram
Josh Hart

To Suns:
Lonzo Ball


Lakers move Lonzo Ball out for the 6th pick in Phoenix and move on from Ingram and Hart as well. It is a kings randsom to be honest but its well worth it if it lands A.D (and should clear enough space for a max slot in the form of Kawhi Leonard or Kemba Walker/Kyrie Irving, ideally Kawhi + an MLE at P.G like Rubio).

Phoenix should be jumping for joy with Lonzo being moved for 6 straight up. He's perfect next to Booker and would be great at feeding Ayton as well, with Lonzo's shooting issues not such a big issue when playing next to Booker. It is a tremendous trio of talent that you can live with giving up the pick given the return.

The Pelicans do very well, Ingram, Hart and two really good picks, if the Knicks decide they don't like RJ (and with Culver or Garland, i think there's always that chance), you're potentially getting Zion, RJ and Cam Reddish as a draft trio (or even Zion, RJ and Garland/Hunter/White etc), not a bad way to start off the rebuild (and that's with Holiday still there).



Then:

Sign Kawhi Leonard during the F.A
Sign Ricky Rubio to an MLE (the entire thing)
Buy a second to pick up Charles Bassey (without the transfer scandal he'd be a top 10 pick, he's not worse than Hayes), Philly or Sacramanto probably.
Find a way to get Rui Hachimura if he falls past the lottery (trade a future first if you have to). Boston is the most likely here at 20ish.
Bring BroLo back somehow (and admit it was wrong to let him go), if not him, then Kanter, Rolo, Davis or if we must, McGee (all on minimums though).
Find some shooting (any chance Reggie Bullock comes cheap, great, if not, try and convince Danny Green to take a paycut, if not, Ellington or Seth Curry since i doubt we can afford Lamb if we're getting Rubio via MLE).
Make a play for MKG, its unlikely we could afford him but its worth a shot, if not him, Thabo Sefalosha or Ariza.
Taj Gibson at P.F would be ideal (perfect foil to Kuzma, he's a no nonsense P.F who is a good leader as well).

Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-A.D
???-Ellington/Bullock/Curry-MKG/Thabo/Ariza-Gibson-BroLo/Rolo/Davis/Kanter/McGee
Hachimura-Bassey

we'd win the title with that lineup i feel.


Rubio-Leonard-Lebron-Kuzma-Davis

Lakers have to renounce all cap holds just to sign Kawhi to 31.6m (.8m under the max).
Lakers can then trade Ingram, Ball, pick 4 for AD.
At this point Lakers only have a room exception to spend worth $4.7m and then some space for 3 minimum salaries with no experience. Collison is probably the best player at $4.7m though he likely gets more. BroLo definitely gets more.

I think best Lakers can hope for is Collison, Hart, Kawhi, LeBron, AD with Bonga, Kuzma, Wagner and a couple of minimum guys
Then the best they can do this offseason.

Lakers would be committing grand larceny if they can pull this off:

Lakers can then trade Ingram, Ball, pick 4 for AD.

Griffin would be stupid to take BI as a major piece without proof that he can play starter minutes and have production.

Proof is up to the medical report. They are advised by actual doctors who know the difference between blood clots produced by mechanical strain vs those from a chronic issue.

But yes, this is absolute best case scenario for the Lakers. They can give up future picks as well but it's best for them to keep current players.

[SlimShady83]

What is a realistic trade to get Beal?

[dockingsched]

What is a realistic trade to get Beal?

None, cause the Lakers don’t have any bad contracts they need to dump so everything they can offer is overpaying. When standing pat is a far better option, kind of limits what you should be offering.

[zimpy27]

What is a realistic trade to get Beal?

None, cause the Lakers don’t have any bad contracts they need to dump so everything they can offer is overpaying. When standing pat is a far better option, kind of limits what you should be offering.

Pretty much, their best bet is to use the BAE and Room MLE to trade for Beal on Dec 15. Can only be done if you get a "max" FA for 28m or less though

[zimpy27]

Lakers get Butler as the max FA and they get a 4.7m Room to add to the current roster.

If all falls through with trading AD then I think this trade could be a way to get a great fitting team around Butler/LeBron.

Lakers give: Ingram, Ball, pick 4
Lakers get: Dunn, Richardson, Len, pick 8

Hawks give: pick 8, pick 35 and Len
Hawks get: pick 4

Chicago give: Dunn, pick 7
Chicago get: Lonzo

Miami give: Richardson
Miami get: pick 7, Ingram, pick 35


Lakers have best wings core in the league with Richardson, Butler, LeBron.

Use 4.7m Room MLE on a starting PG that is happy to be spot-up shooter (Beverley if can afford, Seth Curry easier get).
Use pick 8 on a bench PF/C

Beverley, Richardson, Butler, LeBron, Len
Dunn, Hart, Kuzma, Clarke, Wagner

I think that's a championship contender

[Slava]

Not only are the Lakers giving up their two best prospects but they are also downgrading on the pick to get Dunn, who's never been good, Alex Len who was let go by the Suns of all teams after his rookie deal and Josh Richardson who's the only saving grace. That's the kind of deal that gets GMs fired.

[zimpy27]

Not only are the Lakers giving up their two best prospects but they are also downgrading on the pick to get Dunn, who's never been good, Alex Len who was let go by the Suns of all teams after his rookie deal and Josh Richardson who's the only saving grace. That's the kind of deal that gets GMs fired.

Len is probably a lot better than you think. He molded into a stretch 5 and is on $4m next season. He'd be a perfect fit next to LeBron. https://www.sportstalkatl.com/the-alex-len-experiment-has-worked-for-the-hawks/
Pick 4 to pick 10 is pretty even in this draft, may as well get a starting C out of it.

Yes you trade Lonzo and Ingram for Richardson and Dunn. This is about getting the bench version of Lonzo (Dunn) and leveraging that difference in talent to add to Ingram so that you can pick up the best contract in the league in Richardson. Richardson gives you a big 3 for the price of a big 2. You've just taken 2 poorly fitting unmatured starters and pulled out an all-star talent next season and a bench player. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/2/28/18243586/josh-richardson-miami-heat-feature

[Slava]

Dunn is the bench version of Lonzo? Ingram is immature talent while Len is an incredible stretch 5 after one season of attempting 3s on a tanking Hawks team? No difference between 4 and 10?

You're entitled your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and my opinion is that your evaluation of talent and trade value is way off.

[zimpy27]

Dunn is the bench version of Lonzo? Ingram is immature talent while Len is an incredible stretch 5 after one season of attempting 3s on a tanking Hawks team? No difference between 4 and 10?

You're entitled your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and my opinion is that your evaluation of talent and trade value is way off.

No need to attack my ability.

Just to clarify:
Dunn is the bench version of Lonzo, similar player but worse.
I never said Ingram was immature, he has yet to mature as a prospect to the level of Richardson.
I never said Len was incredible but he's a cheap stretch 5 option.
I never said there was no difference between 4 and 10, just that there isn't a significant difference between them. There are 6-7 guys and the gap between them as prospects isn't obvious.

[Pointgod]

What is a realistic trade to get Beal?

Ingram, Hart and future 1st or Ball and #4