2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[PlayerUp]

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

Easy yay. But Denver wouldn’t do that unless his medicals were still trash.

[PlayerUp]

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

Easy yay. But Denver wouldn’t do that unless his medicals were still trash.

Sad isn't it? Bad year to pick in the Top 7.

Side note Denver seems high on Otto Porter.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

Easy yay. But Denver wouldn’t do that unless his medicals were still trash.

Sad isn't it? Bad year to pick in the Top 7.

Side note Denver seems high on Otto Porter.

I mean, it makes sense. MPJ was a top 5 talent in a very strong draft (or top 2 according to some) and Denver’s already waited out his redshirt year. No point in moving him for a 7th pick in a weak draft just as he’s about to return.

Otto Porter is exactly what the Nuggets need, but they slept. Too bad, so sad.

[kodo]

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

Nothing's changed since we passed on him, his back situation is frightening long term.

But even when healthy, I think he will play a similar style to Markkanen so he may not improve a team who already has a Markkanen.

[Benedict Miller]

Cam is the home run we need to swing for.

boom or bust 101

So besides being the #2 high school player what has he shown that would lead you to believe he has any upside? Boom or bust guys aren't ones who were just bad all the time.

He still has all the tools you want a player to have. He creates shots off the dribble, he can pass, and he can shoot. That's the type of player we need. I understand he hasn't shown us much, but lets face it, would we have a chance for a player that can do what he does at 7? He'd be top 3. This pick takes some faith.

I think it's his temperament which kept him from showing his full potential consistently. We have seen glimpses. And from what we've seen in those glimpses, I think he would be a welcome addition considering where we are drafting.

It's go for a boom in a player that matures into a killer and improves considering he's a teenager, or it's a bust and we have Tony Snell that is just a spot up shooter off the bench.

I just think he's much too smooth on the court and effortless. I think Boylen would coach him up. I'm thinking more and more he's going to be an outlier and make us happy as Bulls fans.

Reddish seems to be extremely soft with no leadership qualities. I prefer not to have that on my Bulls team. At least go to the rack strong and try to dunk the damn basketball for crying out loud.

[Axolotl]

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Coby White Defensive Game Tape vs NC State

White's game looks hectic, on both ends of the floor. Looks like he is on the edge all the time. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing in itself: it looks very energy consuming, but I guess it's also a sign of a high motor. At the same time he look like he is slightly off-balance almost all the time because of the constant twitching he does in all directions.

[Dresden]

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

Nothing's changed since we passed on him, his back situation is frightening long term.

But even when healthy, I think he will play a similar style to Markkanen so he may not improve a team who already has a Markkanen.

It's impossible to know if his back situation is "frightening" or not unless you've talked to his doctors or seen their comments and prognosis. The two procedures he had were not major surgeries. this could be something that never bothers him again, it could be something that flares up from time to time and causes him to miss a game or two here and there, or it could be something that impacts his athleticism or causes him to miss extended amounts of time. Seeing his records would help clear that up.

[NDave79]

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Coby White Defensive Game Tape vs NC State

White's game looks hectic, on both ends of the floor. Looks like he is on the edge all the time. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing in itself: it looks very energy consuming, but I guess it's also a sign of a high motor. At the same time he look like he is slightly off-balance almost all the time because of the constant twitching he does in all directions.

I agree. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but your description has helped me come to terms with what I don't like about his game (not saying your post was necessarily negative about him). He has a hectic, spastic, rushed style that looks like a took a bunch of ...um 5 Red Bulls before games. I don't want to be overly critical and maybe he ends up being awesome, but he reminds of of a little kid playing his heart out.

I really hope he goes before we pick.

[JimmyJammer]

He still has all the tools you want a player to have. He creates shots off the dribble, he can pass, and he can shoot.

Yet he didn't do any of those things in college to a degree worth mentioning.

But I wouldn't be terribly upset if the Bulls took Reddish at #7 in this seemingly weak draft. I wouldn't particularly like it either. If he can get his game to click, his ceiling is sky high. It's just that I don't really believe he will get it to click, but considering the players likely to be available at #7, I'd be willing to accept a higher than usual bust factor in the likes of Cam Reddish or Nassir Little.

The Bulls don't need an ok player but someone who makes a difference. That prospect pretty much disappeared when the ping pong balls fell the way they did in the lottery.

On the other hand, there is the route of gradual team building. You draft a quality player, and your team is better. You sign free agents that are better than your current players, and let the worse ones go. You move players who don't fit for players who do and are hopefully better than the ones that are leaving.

Am I describing a treadmill here? Yes indeed. But a well built treadmill team is just a player or two away from a finals appearance. The Warriors dynasty is fading. It is still strong now, but Chronos works relentlessly.

Anyway, the Bulls will draft the player they think benefits the team the most, and I will cheer for that player whoever he is. At the same time though, depending who they decide to draft, I may also be wanting some heads on spikes.

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Would have replied to jtapwatwer but he seems to not need selling on cam.
This vid points out mouth watering strengths and debilitating weaknesses.
8'10 standing reach and still referred to as a guard

At some point I think the bulls would be lucky if he fell to 7.

Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?

Nothing's changed since we passed on him, his back situation is frightening long term.

But even when healthy, I think he will play a similar style to Markkanen so he may not improve a team who already has a Markkanen.

It's impossible to know if his back situation is "frightening" or not unless you've talked to his doctors or seen their comments and prognosis. The two procedures he had were not major surgeries. this could be something that never bothers him again, it could be something that flares up from time to time and causes him to miss a game or two here and there, or it could be something that impacts his athleticism or causes him to miss extended amounts of time. Seeing his records would help clear that up.

Man, imagine Reddish with a reliable jumpshot? Had this kid shot at least 42% from the field, we'd be looking at potentially number 2 pick in the draft. So, now that he no longer has to worry about school, what if he becomes a reliable shooter? Can anyone out here say for certain that he won't improve in that area? I am really conflicted this season, to say the least.

[PlayerUp]

Man, imagine Reddish with a reliable jumpshot? Had this kid shot at least 42% from the field, we'd be looking at potentially number 2 pick in the draft. So, now that he no longer has to worry about school, what if he becomes a reliable shooter? Can anyone out here say for certain that he won't improve in that area? I am really conflicted this season, to say the least.

What if what if? You could say the same thing about all the prospects. Reddish has a good form he just can't shoot. That's a problem. Factor in he was paired next to the #1 and #3 picks in this draft the pressure should have been taken off of him yet he shot 35.6% from the field. No real excuse he was the biggest disappointment among all prospects.

[TheSuzerain]

We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.

[TheSuzerain]

Reddish's jump shot is actually pretty nice.

His problem is that he's weak and basically has no explosion at all. He can be a nice 3/D though if he has work ethic.

[Red Larrivee]

We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.

You could probably get Edwards a lot later in the draft instead of reaching. He's feast or famine with not much else to his game.

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[JimmyJammer]

Man, imagine Reddish with a reliable jumpshot? Had this kid shot at least 42% from the field, we'd be looking at potentially number 2 pick in the draft. So, now that he no longer has to worry about school, what if he becomes a reliable shooter? Can anyone out here say for certain that he won't improve in that area? I am really conflicted this season, to say the least.

What if what if? You could say the same thing about all the prospects. Reddish has a good form he just can't shoot. That's a problem. Factor in he was paired next to the #1 and #3 picks in this draft the pressure should have been taken off of him yet he shot 35.6% from the field. No real excuse he was the biggest disappointment among all prospects.

I agree, he was a major disappointment. But, it's still tempting to take a flyer on the guy. I imagine in two years it will be quite challenging to get a full evaluation of these kids because they will come straight out of high school. Imagine this, if this rule had already been implemented, we'd be looking at Barrett and Reddish as the top 2 due to better high school success.

[TheSuzerain]

We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.

You could probably get Edwards a lot later in the draft instead of reaching. He's feast or famine with not much else to his game.

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He was the 2nd leading scorer in high major (to Markus Howard) and Purdue had a top 5 offense in the country. How is that feast or famine?

The most valuable single skill an offensive player in the NBA can have at the moment is the off the dribble 3 because it breaks defenses. It's basically the entire reason people want Garland. Edwards can do it too.

[RedBulls23]

Has Edwards been climbing the boards? I thought he was a 2nd round prospect and could he available at the 38th pick?

[TheSuzerain]

Has Edwards been climbing the boards? I thought he was a 2nd round prospect and could he available at the 38th pick?

Zero percent chance he’s available at 38.

His stats are pretty much a doppelgänger for college Lillard. Less efficient but far superior level of competition.

Also has big hands. Standing reach only 2” off Coby White.

[Red Larrivee]

We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.

You could probably get Edwards a lot later in the draft instead of reaching. He's feast or famine with not much else to his game.

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He was the 2nd leading scorer in high major (to Markus Howard) and Purdue had a top 5 offense in the country. How is that feast or famine?

The most valuable single skill an offensive player in the NBA can have at the moment is the off the dribble 3 because it breaks defenses. It's basically the entire reason people want Garland. Edwards can do it too.

Because...it's all Edwards does. He's awful at the rim (< 50%) and doesn't present much value elsewhere. Lillard was significantly better at the rim, a better athlete and could score in more ways.

I would draft him, but #7 is a big reach even in a shaky draft like this.



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[HomoSapien]

We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.

I think Edwards is being overlooked, but he's projecting as a second round pick right now. Taking him at 7, unless we're positive of his abilities could be a mistake that could put us back a few years.