NBA Superstars production in playoffs based on faced defenses

70sFan · Post #21 » by **70sFan** » Thu May 16, 2019 8:14 pm

Gilmore and Robinson are added.

Admiral looks clearly the worst so far. Not only his drop off is the biggest, he also played the weakest competition (maybe Gilmore is close) so far.

DNice68 · Post #22 » by **DNice68** » Fri May 17, 2019 1:23 am

Kareem is the goat Center imo!

DNice68 · Post #23 » by **DNice68** » Fri May 17, 2019 1:25 am

70sFan wrote:Gilmore and Robinson are added.

Admiral looks clearly the worst so far. Not only his drop off is the biggest, he also played the weakest competition (maybe Gilmore is close) so far.

Robinson's lack of a great post game did him in against top defenses!

tihsad · Post #24 » by **tihsad** » Fri May 17, 2019 1:46 am

Thanks again for all the work, again 70sFan, so what is your interpretation of the data?

70sFan · Post #25 » by **70sFan** » Fri May 17, 2019 4:33 am

tihsad wrote:Thanks again for all the work, again 70sFan, so what is your interpretation of the data?

Right now I'm just collecting it. When I have at least half of the players I want, then I will try to come out with conclusion. So far I have a few points:

- your postseason production is heavily based on competition you face - yeah dumb conclusion but people don't realize that Hakeem Olajuwon improved his playoffs game mostly because he didn't face as many good defensive teams as Shaq or Wilt.

- David Robinson and Wilt Chamberlain are often compared as a playoffs performers but in reality they are nothing alike - Wilt played outlier number of games against all-time great defensive teams, Admiral played mostly against average teams (not a single elite one) and he struggled against anything above average.

I'm interested to see how other "chokers" (Karl Malone, James Harden) will fare here. We'll see

oldschooled · Post #26 » by **oldschooled** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:17 am

I'm guessing Shaq would be atop of this list even w/o looking at stats.

Strepbacter · Post #27 » by **Strepbacter** » Fri May 17, 2019 5:34 am

those shaq numbers aren't right. from 94-04 he played three -7 defenses (04 spurs, 99 spurs, 99 spurs) and had a 57.4% TS against opp average of 47.6 for a rTS of +9.8

70sFan · Post #28 » by **70sFan** » Fri May 17, 2019 6:34 am

Strepbacter wrote:those shaq numbers aren't right. from 94-04 he played three -7 defenses (04 spurs, 99 spurs, 99 spurs) and had a 57.4% TS against opp average of 47.6 for a rTS of +9.8

I relate TS% to league average, not to opponent average. Maybe it's flawed, but I don't think it's that bad to be honest.

Strepbacter · Post #29 » by **Strepbacter** » Fri May 17, 2019 6:48 am

i mean it's definitely flawed. it doesn't really make sense to adjust his scoring efficiency against rs league average instead of his actual competition.

E-Balla · Post #30 » by **E-Balla** » Fri May 17, 2019 9:26 pm

Strepbacter wrote:i mean it's definitely flawed. it doesn't really make sense to adjust his scoring efficiency against rs league average instead of his actual competition.

Ehh... Yes and no. Both are valuable, one allows you to see their performance vs the teams, one allows you to see whether or not defenses effect how good a player is in general. So let's look at Moses, those numbers show you his game was totally unaffected by great defenses (25 ppg on +1.7 rTS% vs 27 ppg on +1.7 rTS%). What you wasn't would show he increases his value vs great defenses, not necessarily his game.

E-Balla · Post #31 » by **E-Balla** » Fri May 17, 2019 9:27 pm

And those David Robinson numbers continue to be damning.

70sFan · Post #32 » by **70sFan** » Tue May 21, 2019 8:37 pm

Added Ewing, finished with centers. Now I'm going to do power forwards. If you want to see more centers, let me know

tihsad · Post #33 » by **tihsad** » Tue May 21, 2019 9:14 pm

70sFan wrote:Added Ewing, finished with centers. Now I'm going to do power forwards. If you want to see more centers, let me know

Anything you can have the time to add is appreciated.

70sFan · Post #34 » by **70sFan** » Tue May 21, 2019 10:41 pm

I also updated rTS% data because i had minor mistake on my formula, but now the stats should be right (and it wasn't huge mistake, numbers are still similar).

DatAsh · Post #35 » by **DatAsh** » Tue May 21, 2019 10:52 pm

Have you seen the video Elgee made about who improves/declines the most against playoff defenses?

This looks similar to that, and I loved that, so this should be great. I look forward to your results.

70sFan · Post #36 » by **70sFan** » Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 pm

DatAsh wrote:Have you seen the video Elgee made about who improves/declines the most against playoff defenses?

This looks similar to that, and I loved that, so this should be great. I look forward to your results.

Yes, I've seen this. His job is much better than mine, because I don't account for pace or team results. It's simple, but interesting way to look at playoffs heroes from different perspective.

70sFan · Post #37 » by **70sFan** » Wed May 22, 2019 1:15 am

Added Garnett and Duncan.

Ambrose · Post #38 » by **Ambrose** » Wed May 22, 2019 6:33 pm

This s awesome. Thanks for doing this. I'm excited to see if this continues to wings and guards. Lebron/Bird/Magic/Jordan are the ones I'm most interested in.

G35 · Post #39 » by **G35** » Wed May 22, 2019 7:49 pm

Can you add Barkley? From my eye test/memory it was rare for him to struggle in the PS.....

70sFan · Post #40 » by **70sFan** » Wed May 22, 2019 7:52 pm

G35 wrote:Can you add Barkley? From my eye test/memory it was rare for him to struggle in the PS.....

Barkley, Dirk, Malone and Pettit will be next.