Future Free Agent Thread

[sipclip]

Like it, not sure how realistic it is though.

What don't you think is realistic? I think the Favors deal is very realistic. Then of course if you make that deal you make Randle your top priority the second free agency begins. Our situation should be an easy sell to him as our 2nd scorer. With Brogdon you likely get an answer quick if he wants to sign an offer sheet with us or not. If not I go to Ross right away. The beauty is this offseason is pretty deep with wings so I expect solid players to still be on the market after a week. Hell I would even be happy with guys like KCP, Hood or Burks. I could also see the magic having interest in dumping Fournier for nothing to put that money to work somewhere else.

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[Luigi]

Would you go 4/85, front loaded, to try to make a bigger play on Brogdon?

[KqWIN]

Like it, not sure how realistic it is though.

What don't you think is realistic? I think the Favors deal is very realistic. Then of course if you make that deal you make Randle your top priority the second free agency begins. Our situation should be an easy sell to him as our 2nd scorer. With Brogdon you likely get an answer quick if he wants to sign an offer sheet with us or not. If not I go to Ross right away. The beauty is this offseason is pretty deep with wings so I expect solid players to still be on the market after a week. Hell I would even be happy with guys like KCP, Hood or Burks. I could also see the magic having interest in dumping Fournier for nothing to put that money to work somewhere else.

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I don't think ATL needs or wants Favors. I don't think they're in a hurry to win now, and it's just very easy to get a C these days. I also think George Hill is not a real possibility. From all the rumors and whispers, that bridge is burnt...but these two moves don't really make or break the plan. Favors can just be waived if no trade available, and we can find another guard.

Generally, I just don't believe that any good FA's are going to sign here. I don't know if I'd call Randle "unrealistic", but what does that even mean? If we got rid of Favors and made Randle our number one target, I'd still give us a 20% chance or less. I consider him to be on the high end of FA's, and if any of them want to sign here you do it without question. More difficult questions comes when all of them, including Randle, say no.

Finding a Ross/Lamb/KCP level player is quite realistic imo. Id we wanted one of them, we could probably get one to replace Rubio with.

Overall, I'd say this would be a very high end outcome for the Jazz. Getting Randle alone is more likely not to happen than to happen.

[sipclip]

Like it, not sure how realistic it is though.

What don't you think is realistic? I think the Favors deal is very realistic. Then of course if you make that deal you make Randle your top priority the second free agency begins. Our situation should be an easy sell to him as our 2nd scorer. With Brogdon you likely get an answer quick if he wants to sign an offer sheet with us or not. If not I go to Ross right away. The beauty is this offseason is pretty deep with wings so I expect solid players to still be on the market after a week. Hell I would even be happy with guys like KCP, Hood or Burks. I could also see the magic having interest in dumping Fournier for nothing to put that money to work somewhere else.

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I don't think ATL needs or wants Favors. I don't think they're in a hurry to win now, and it's just very easy to get a C these days. I also think George Hill is not a real possibility. From all the rumors and whispers, that bridge is burnt...but these two moves don't really make or break the plan. Favors can just be waived if no trade available, and we can find another guard.

Generally, I just don't believe that any good FA's are going to sign here. I don't know if I'd call Randle "unrealistic", but what does that even mean? If we got rid of Favors and made Randle our number one target, I'd still give us a 20% chance or less. I consider him to be on the high end of FA's, and if any of them want to sign here you do it without question. More difficult questions comes when all of them, including Randle, say no.

Finding a Ross/Lamb/KCP level player is quite realistic imo. Id we wanted one of them, we could probably get one to replace Rubio with.

Overall, I'd say this would be a very high end outcome for the Jazz. Getting Randle alone is more likely not to happen than to happen.

Atlanta needs and will want Favors. Centers like him don't grow on trees like you essentially stated. Also the hawks will be looking to make the playoffs this year and focus on winning now because they already have their building block foundations in Young and Collins as well as a ton of other young players in Huerter, Spellman, Bembry and the two top ten picks that they have this year. The ideal part about Favors is that he is a vet that can help them win now but he is also young enough to be around for the next 4 or 5 years to grow with these guys. Adding Favors also doesn't prohibit them from still going after one of the other upper echelon free agents as well. They probably won't get one of them but they will still have the cap room to entertain the conversation.

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[KqWIN]

Atlanta needs and will want Favors. Centers like him don't grow on trees like you essentially stated. Also the hawks will be looking to make the playoffs this year and focus on winning now because they already have their building block foundations in Young and Collins as well as a ton of other young players in Huerter, Spellman, Bembry and the two top ten picks that they have this year. The ideal part about Favors is that he is a vet that can help them win now but he is also young enough to be around for the next 4 or 5 years to grow with these guys. Adding Favors also doesn't prohibit them from still going after one of the other upper echelon free agents as well. They probably won't get one of them but they will still have the cap room to entertain the conversation.

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Never said Favors like C grow on trees, but getting C's who are decent is very easy these days. It's the easiest position in the league to fill. If they desperately want to accelerate their timeline and have to have him, sure they might put in a bid. But Prince and a very good second rounder is a high price. It's not crazy, but not likely. I'm probably too pessimistic on Favs trade value. That, on top of the other unlikely events, is what makes me say the plan is not realistic.

What I'm really expecting is that Rubio leaves and Favors is not waived. Where do we go from there? This is the scenario I'm interested in because it's most likely to occur. Is it even possible to have a good off-season under those conditions.....

[Luigi]

I think you gotta think about plans in terms of first choices and options. Unless you have legit inside information about actual agreements, all we can do is just line up our priorities, and then start talking about them at the point they become more or less realistic (which is also up for debate).

I like putting Brogdon and Randle high on the priorities list. And I think (hope) that they are approaching something somewhat realistic. In fact, I think I like them more than Tobias Harris. Definitely more than Middleton. And they seem more likely to me.

[KqWIN]

One guy that Sip mentioned taking a flier on is Frank Kaminsky. I like that a lot. He didn't get to play much this year, but when he did he was alright. The year before he was ok too. His defense is as bad as advertised, but he is a good top of the key player. He can hit above the break three pointers and pump fake and drive.

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One guy that Sip mentioned taking a flier on is Frank Kaminsky. I like that a lot. He didn't get to play much this year, but when he did he was alright. The year before he was ok too. His defense is as bad as advertised, but he is a good top of the key player. He can hit above the break three pointers and pump fake and drive.

I was hoping we could have snagged him at the deadline when it looked like the Bobcats were shopping him just so they could clear some salary. I really think he can be a consistent 38-40% 3pt shooter for us and as a stretch bench big I'm good with that. I also wouldn't mind getting a free look at either Bender or Chriss who have both been busts to this point but still extremely young. We could probably get them for the minimum so if it doesn't workout nothing is really lost.

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[CAE15]

You have to go well into the 20+ million per year to have a chance at Brogdon. Might even be a near max or a max and the bucks may still match. They're a contender, I don't think they're going to cheap out on him and Middleton because that would be a brutal showing to Giannis.

Randle I'm in between, personally I feel like a Thad Young or Al Farouq Aminu or Paul Millsap helps this team collectively more on both sides than what Randle does on offense. But I'm open to trying Randle if we can't get anyone else.

Hill that ship has sailed and I wouldn't want to bring him back. I wouldn't mind taking a look at Delon Wright however, big guard, seems to be a pretty good defender. Local kid. Lack of a shot but can score the ball. 3 ball is a question but I'd rather take a chance on him than have Hill back to potentially create locker room issues.
Also Satoransky big guard, bit older, euro background, can guard 1-3 for switching defense.

Also Tyus Jones is just getting more and more intriguing for me. Kid is only 23. Nearly averaged 5 assists to not even 1 turnover in 23 minutes of play. Wolves already have some bad contracts, so might be able to poach him for a not crazy price. Not a great 3 point shooter, but hasn't had all that many chances. Good free throw shooter in small sample but hopefully that can translate for the rest of his shooting.

Kaminsky might not be a terrible idea to take a flier on, but he also would be a near Kanter on defense. Teams would seek him out and run right at him. If we're to lose Favors; I would like to see us go after Robin Lopez or Dedmon. Also Looney, O'Quinn, Jordan Bell, Muscala

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[dr0welf]

Kaminsky would never see the court because his defense is non existent

[Luigi]

Well, Bucks had a good run. But it isn't absolutely essential to them to keep all their guys anymore with the loss. That might open up one for us.

[KqWIN]

Well, Bucks had a good run. But it isn't absolutely essential to them to keep all their guys anymore with the loss. That might open up one for us.

I think it is essential for them because their run is simultaneously just starting and potentially ending soon with Giannis as a FA next summer. If they cheap out on their roster, I feel like they should just start fielding offers right now for Giannis because you're showing him that you're willing to pay for the championship.

Having said that, I'm interested in Bledsoe. Yeah, he just put out a huge stinker. But the other guys we're looking at on that team weren't so hot either this series. Wonder if they'd do something like Bledsoe+Snell into our space.

[Luigi]

Well, Bucks had a good run. But it isn't absolutely essential to them to keep all their guys anymore with the loss. That might open up one for us.

I think it is essential for them because their run is simultaneously just starting and potentially ending soon with Giannis as a FA next summer. If they cheap out on their roster, I feel like they should just start fielding offers right now for Giannis because you're showing him that you're willing to pay for the championship.

Having said that, I'm interested in Bledsoe. Yeah, he just put out a huge stinker. But the other guys we're looking at on that team weren't so hot either this series. Wonder if they'd do something like Bledsoe+Snell into our space.

They still need to keep what they can. But if they were to win a title, or make it to the finals, I think the pressure to keep more would be higher. The loss here means they might wanna retool more than keep the gang together. The existing squad wasn't enough help for Giannis. So they won't cheap out, but they might look elsewhere than what they already have now.

Bledsoe is very interesting. He seems a little selfish, but he plays strong defense, which makes up for a lot of stuff in my book.

[KqWIN]

Well, Bucks had a good run. But it isn't absolutely essential to them to keep all their guys anymore with the loss. That might open up one for us.

I think it is essential for them because their run is simultaneously just starting and potentially ending soon with Giannis as a FA next summer. If they cheap out on their roster, I feel like they should just start fielding offers right now for Giannis because you're showing him that you're willing to pay for the championship.

Having said that, I'm interested in Bledsoe. Yeah, he just put out a huge stinker. But the other guys we're looking at on that team weren't so hot either this series. Wonder if they'd do something like Bledsoe+Snell into our space.

They still need to keep what they can. But if they were to win a title, or make it to the finals, I think the pressure to keep more would be higher.

Bledsoe is very interesting. He seems a little selfish, but he plays strong defense, which makes up for a lot of stuff in my book.

I don't think the result would sway it either way. Perhaps they will want to reshuffle, but IMO every year you can win the championship is an urgent win now situation. Giannis could be gone after next season and they might not sniff a championship level team for decades. At the very least, they need to show Giannis that they are doing everything possible to win.

[Luigi]

Nah, winning a title forces you to bring everyone back, you have to keep the winning formula together. Failing in the ECFs leaves you a lot more wiggle room on who you need to bring back. It even opens up a little bit of pressure to change it up. That goes for trying to keep Giannis too.

[KqWIN]

Nah, winning a title forces you to bring everyone back, you have to keep the winning formula together. Failing in the ECFs leaves you a lot more wiggle room on who you need to bring back. It even opens up a little bit of pressure to change it up.

Change it up...yes. But it's not like they're going to let Middleton or Brogdon go for free because they didn't win. The thing with MIL is that they have no way to shake things up this summer because all of their guys are FA's. If they don't sign their guys, they lose them without the ability to replace them. If they get worse simply for money reasons, kiss Giannis goodbye.

[Luigi]

Nah, winning a title forces you to bring everyone back, you have to keep the winning formula together. Failing in the ECFs leaves you a lot more wiggle room on who you need to bring back. It even opens up a little bit of pressure to change it up.

Change it up...yes. But it's not like they're going to let Middleton or Brogdon go for free because they didn't win. The thing with MIL is that they have no way to shake things up this summer because all of their guys are FA's. If they don't sign their guys, they lose them without the ability to replace them. If they get worse simply for money reasons, kiss Giannis goodbye.

Of course not for free, and of course they can't cheap out. That was already known. But how far they go with the current squad is another aspect of status quo or change.

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How much do we pay Mirotic to sit on the bench in the playoffs? He just was benched for 2 straight games for Irsan freaking Ilyasova, who was getting hunted down every single possession he was on the floor.

[Inigo Montoya]

Mirotic is worth around 12M imho. 15M at the most.

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Bob Myers on the difference between playoffs and regular season and what you need in the playoffs and what kind of players you need in the playoffs:

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