Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[Zenzibar]

free throw% and steal% are big predictors of shooting success and general stardom at the next level. both are bad for RJ.

throw in the limited handle and craft and it's not very exciting.

I'd have no problem if the Knicks decided to trade down from the #3 spot to add more assets/draft picks especially if they do strike out in free agency and decide to just keep building through the draft.

http://elitesportsny.com/2019/05/23/new-york-knicks-greatest-nba-draft-weapon-is-trading-down/

The New York Knicks greatest NBA Draft weapon is not selecting RJ Barrett at No. 3, but rather trading down and collecting assets.

The third overall pick in the 2019 NBA Draft is worth more as a trade asset than any selection the New York Knicks could make, which is why their top priority should be to trade back in the lottery.

After a dismal season posting an NBA worst record of 17-65, the new changes implemented to the NBA Draft Lottery cost the Knicks the chance to draft Duke’s budding superstar, Zion Williamson. But drafting third also means missing out on the next best alternative, Murray State guard Ja Morant. Instead, if the Knicks hold onto their pick, they are almost certain to select Duke forward R.J. Barrett.

But is settling for the third-ranked prospect, according to ESPN, in a draft filled with two generational talents, really the best course of action?

The answer is no.

I don't consider Ja Morant a generational talent, considering he had the ball in his hands 95% of the time. Given the new fast-pace game and 3 point shooting, that type of possession time will not likely happen in the NBA.

It's more of:
1 = Zion
2 and 2b = Ja and JR.

[Fury]

when it comes to barrett and even reddish decision making you’ve got to give them the benefit of the doubt that they were just trying to get their shine on with a team that has zion stealing all the headlines.

you never get the top 3 recruits on the same team, and they all had to learn(well the other 2 not named zion) how to take a seat back.

so barrett chucking the ball with 22 seconds to me is simply him just trying to get his shine on.

that’s some impressive rationalization

I bought it

[NYKHardKnock]

they should strongly consider it. it shouldn't be a forgone conclusion that ja is going there.

If they resign JV and take RJ that team might just be a playoff team imo..

Mike Conley
Delon Wright
R.J. Barrett — Kyle Anderson
Jaren Jackson Jr. — Chandler Parsons
Jonas Valanciunas

So you’re saying RJ by himself as a rookie is enough to upgrade one of the worst teams in the league to playoff status?

Also....Chandler Parsons?

If I recall correctly the first half of the season the Grizz were in a playoff spot. Not sure what happened after. JJJr got injured, Conley missed 12 games, and they dealt Gasol.

[F N 11]

Yall really trying to overthink this huh? lmao.

[j4remi]

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[GONYK]

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This is the best breakdown I've seen so far

[F N 11]

Lets not take arguably the best player in the draft because he has flaws and doesnt have all that fancy chit in his game. For once I trust our developmental team. Stop overthinking just to make an argument and go with RJ.

[GONYK]

Lets not take arguably the best player in the draft because he has flaws and doesnt have all that fancy chit in his game. For once I trust our developmental team. Stop overthinking just to make an argument and go with RJ.

RJ has real talent and real concerns man. Being the top player in a particular draft doesn't mean that you are objectively a player that is worth building around.

The discussions being had here in both directions are legitimate.

[DrCoach]

It just came to me, who the best comparison for R.J. is, in terms of ceiling...

....

A Lefty Kobe Bryant

Same size, length, skill set, R.J. has that killer Alpha Mamba mindset

The criticisms are the same, volume shooter, great scorer, not a great 3 pt shooter.

Good rebounder and passer

Not saying he will reach this ceiling but we can’t pass on this kid

He probably ends up somewhere between DeRozan and Kobe

[3toheadmelo]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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[TheGreenArrow]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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Soo intriguing man.

If kd wasnt coming him or bol would be who I'd want us to take.

[shtolky]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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Reddish looks like he should be a top pick yet his play during the season was consistently meh. Frustrating to watch really because he just looks like he should be a star. His productivity doesn't match how he looks on the court. RJ is the opposite. He doesn't look nearly as fluid or athletic, yet he was insanely productive compared to Reddish. I still think Reddish is going to be a good pro and one mediocre season at Duke probably doesn't mean a whole lot for his career.

[robillionaire]

I was prepared to be an advocate for cam because I was reasonably sure we’d get 4th or 5th. I could still see him being one of the better players in the draft over others in that range like hunter culver and garland. I’m still dead set on RJ tho

[3toheadmelo]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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Reddish looks like he should be a top pick yet his play during the season was consistently meh. Frustrating to watch really because he just looks like he should be a star. His productivity doesn't match how he looks on the court. RJ is the opposite. He doesn't look nearly as fluid or athletic, yet he was insanely productive compared to Reddish. I still think Reddish is going to be a good pro and one mediocre season at Duke probably doesn't mean a whole lot for his career.

If he had RJ’s mindset this past season, he’d probably be the #2 pick of the draft. He’s so talented

[newyorker4ever]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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I really have this feeling that Cam is gonna find his way in the NBA and become the player everyone was expecting him to be this year and end up being the steal of the lottery. If we were to trade down into the mid to late lottery and he was sitting there i would be happy to come out of it with him.

[awy]

the basic case for trade down is the value structure of the draft vs free agency for a team like knicks.

draft can provide both superstars and underpriced cog pieces. if your team can sign the superstar offensive player, then you have an easy time building out rest of roster through the draft with impact two way players. think the klays and draymonds, guys who are not 1st options themselves but can greatly complement and scale up the superstar guy.

[Huey Freeman]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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[reub]

He shot 35% from the field overall.

[robillionaire]

I’m probably tripping but his shooting form looks different to me. But in a good way

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Reddish looks like he should be a top pick yet his play during the season was consistently meh. Frustrating to watch really because he just looks like he should be a star. His productivity doesn't match how he looks on the court. RJ is the opposite. He doesn't look nearly as fluid or athletic, yet he was insanely productive compared to Reddish. I still think Reddish is going to be a good pro and one mediocre season at Duke probably doesn't mean a whole lot for his career.

If he had RJ’s mindset this past season, he’d probably be the #2 pick of the draft. He’s so talented

Well that’s the whole thing though. He doesn’t have RJ’s mindset and people are questioning his “motor” and RJ has dog so I’m taking the dog. We already have Knox as our low motor project but even he’s more aggressive at least

[GONYK]

Does anybody have any examples of a player's motor really changing?