2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

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My late May draft dream is:

Bulls trade: 7 + 38 + 2020 top ten protected pick
Cavs trade: 5 + 26

Bulls draft Garland and Gafford.

[JimmyJammer]

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We don't need him from a roster build standpoint, but he intrigues me. I'll be interested to see how his draft process goes.

I disagree that we don't need Goga, our team has no depth. I feel like Goga's going to be that guy who makes an immediate impact who was just under everyone's nose the whole time. Has the MVP of his league and the Eruoleague Rising Star award winner, plenty of people are aware of Goga's talent and ability even at his young age.

Yet, so many want to fall in love with flawed prospects who have "NBA bodies".

I don't see the need to be cute or "outsmart" everyone else, guys like Goga and Hunter are proven talents that make positive impacts to winning basketball.

Drafting Goga might present a nice dilemma for the Bulls because he is more skilled and fundamentally sound than any of our young bigs, at least from the limited highlights I have seen. He can shoot better than Cater; he is bigger, taller and he is apparently a very good defender. He scores inside better as well. He defends way better than Lauri and has a better presence inside, offensively and defensively. There is a team that is going lucky to have him.

[cjbulls]

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We don't need him from a roster build standpoint, but he intrigues me. I'll be interested to see how his draft process goes.

I disagree that we don't need Goga, our team has no depth. I feel like Goga's going to be that guy who makes an immediate impact who was just under everyone's nose the whole time. Has the MVP of his league and the Eruoleague Rising Star award winner, plenty of people are aware of Goga's talent and ability even at his young age.

Yet, so many want to fall in love with flawed prospects who have "NBA bodies".

I don't see the need to be cute or "outsmart" everyone else, guys like Goga and Hunter are proven talents that make positive impacts to winning basketball.

Drafting Goga might present a nice dilemma for the Bulls because he is more skilled and fundamentally sound than any of our young bigs, at least from the limited highlights I have seen. He can shoot better than Cater; he is bigger, taller and he is apparently a very good defender. He scores inside better as well. He defends way better than Lauri and has a better presence inside, offensively and defensively. There is a team that is going lucky to have him.

Yet no one has Goga as a top 7 pick in this weak draft when everyone listed Carter as a top 7 pick in last year's strong draft.

It's also worth pointing out that Carter is not smaller:

Goga is listed as being 6'11 with 7 ' 1.75 wingspan and 250lbs.

Carter at last year's combine was 6'10 with 7 ' 4.5 wingspan and 251lbs.

[Red Larrivee]

Reddish is hypnotizing people with these meaningless workouts. Making jumpers in the gym is not his problem.

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[drosestruts]

Reddish is hypnotizing people with these meaningless workouts. Making jumpers in the gym is not his problem.

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This year's Darko

[BigUps]

My current board for the Bulls. I'm sure this will keep changing as the draft approaches.

1) Zion
2) Ja
3) RJ
4) Garland
5) White
6) Bitadze
7) Culver
8) Hunter
9) Reddish
10) Bol
11) Hayes

[Chi town]

No Garland or Culver and I’m moving back.

Please don’t stay there and draft Coby White or Hunter. Dont want safe low ceilings picks.

[drosestruts]

It's always stuck out to me that people seem to think the only players capable of being high reward are those that are also high risk. Why can't someone like Hunter be considered a low risk (in terms of floor) / high reward prospect (honestly, what's top stop him from continuing to develop?)

It doesn't have to be boom or bust, you gut guys like Hunter, Goga, and Clarke that are going to be able to help you from day 1. These players also aren't magically locked in to simply being what they are, they can all add elements to their games.

[Red Larrivee]

No Garland or Culver and I’m moving back.

Please don’t stay there and draft Coby White or Hunter. Dont want safe low ceilings picks.

Neither player is low ceiling.

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[JohnnyKILLroy]

Reddish needs work, but where? Is it softness, confidence, environment, health, role, something else? If the right team gets him and knows how to put him in the right position, he will be worth whatever pick he's taken at. The question is what teams are capable of recognizing the issue and providing the right environment to overcome it. The eye test is obviously flawed in recognizing success, but it is accurate about potential.

I totally understand saying the Bulls shouldn't take the risk, or the FO is incapable of recognizing/nurturing player development, but don't tell me the guy cannot be good because all of the physical tools are there.

He's not good and the physical tools are there. What does that tell you?

I don't think he has it either upstairs or he's just not dog enough to impose his will, maybe both.

Those are both distinct possibilities. It could also be because he played out position at Duke (point guard in HS to spot up shooter in college), he was injured (I'm not buying), he struggled with Zion/Reddish blowing up while he was the third wheel, he hated college and/or Durham, or he had personal things going on. I'm not pretending like I know, and each situation requires a different response from whatever team drafts him.

Yeah I'm not into making excuses for a kid that played that bad.

Lack of Production.
Lack of IQ
Lack of Dog
Lack of Heart

But - "He shoots a pretty ball and "looks" the part"

[wonderboy2]

I disagree that we don't need Goga, our team has no depth. I feel like Goga's going to be that guy who makes an immediate impact who was just under everyone's nose the whole time. Has the MVP of his league and the Eruoleague Rising Star award winner, plenty of people are aware of Goga's talent and ability even at his young age.

Yet, so many want to fall in love with flawed prospects who have "NBA bodies".

I don't see the need to be cute or "outsmart" everyone else, guys like Goga and Hunter are proven talents that make positive impacts to winning basketball.

Drafting Goga might present a nice dilemma for the Bulls because he is more skilled and fundamentally sound than any of our young bigs, at least from the limited highlights I have seen. He can shoot better than Cater; he is bigger, taller and he is apparently a very good defender. He scores inside better as well. He defends way better than Lauri and has a better presence inside, offensively and defensively. There is a team that is going lucky to have him.

Yet no one has Goga as a top 7 pick in this weak draft when everyone listed Carter as a top 7 pick in last year's strong draft.

It's also worth pointing out that Carter is not smaller:

Goga is listed as being 6'11 with 7 ' 1.75 wingspan and 250lbs.

Carter at last year's combine was 6'10 with 7 ' 4.5 wingspan and 251lbs.

Carter is definitely the better prospect. I can break it down several reason why but I won’t.

[cjbulls]

He's not good and the physical tools are there. What does that tell you?

I don't think he has it either upstairs or he's just not dog enough to impose his will, maybe both.

Those are both distinct possibilities. It could also be because he played out position at Duke (point guard in HS to spot up shooter in college), he was injured (I'm not buying), he struggled with Zion/Reddish blowing up while he was the third wheel, he hated college and/or Durham, or he had personal things going on. I'm not pretending like I know, and each situation requires a different response from whatever team drafts him.

Yeah I'm not into making excuses for a kid that played that bad.

Lack of Production.
Lack of IQ
Lack of Dog
Lack of Heart

But - "He shoots a pretty ball and "looks" the part"

That's fine, I didn't ask you to be his agent. I'm just pointing out that he has a chance to be successful depending on his situation and how he/drafting team resolves whatever issues are holding him back, because his talent isn't the problem.

[BigUps]

Drafting Goga might present a nice dilemma for the Bulls because he is more skilled and fundamentally sound than any of our young bigs, at least from the limited highlights I have seen. He can shoot better than Cater; he is bigger, taller and he is apparently a very good defender. He scores inside better as well. He defends way better than Lauri and has a better presence inside, offensively and defensively. There is a team that is going lucky to have him.

Yet no one has Goga as a top 7 pick in this weak draft when everyone listed Carter as a top 7 pick in last year's strong draft.

It's also worth pointing out that Carter is not smaller:

Goga is listed as being 6'11 with 7 ' 1.75 wingspan and 250lbs.

Carter at last year's combine was 6'10 with 7 ' 4.5 wingspan and 251lbs.

Carter is definitely the better prospect. I can break it down several reason why but I won’t.

Have you watched a lot of Goga? I take the opinions of euro players very lightly on this board. Most seem to have a stance on a player based on an article and a few YouTube highlight videos.

Goga is a very nice prospect.

[cjbulls]

Reddish is hypnotizing people with these meaningless workouts. Making jumpers in the gym is not his problem.

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Congrats, you made a statement that no one disagrees with. Now, the next step is to identify how he can be the best NBA player and what that player is if he achieves that standard.

[cjbulls]

Reddish is hypnotizing people with these meaningless workouts. Making jumpers in the gym is not his problem.

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This year's Darko

I think the Pistons would admit they messed up Darko's development. He wasn't given the right opportunities and didn't get to play a style the fit him. I saw an interview a few years ago where Darko talked about not working hard either because he never had to up until he reached the NBA. Those were the early days of drafting Euros and no one knew what they were doing.

Team fit matters. It seems highly unlikely Darko would have been an All-NBA Player or even an All-Star, but he could have been much better in the right situation.

[bigworld2017]

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We don't need him from a roster build standpoint, but he intrigues me. I'll be interested to see how his draft process goes.

I disagree that we don't need Goga, our team has no depth. I feel like Goga's going to be that guy who makes an immediate impact who was just under everyone's nose the whole time. Has the MVP of his league and the Eruoleague Rising Star award winner, plenty of people are aware of Goga's talent and ability even at his young age.

Yet, so many want to fall in love with flawed prospects who have "NBA bodies".

I don't see the need to be cute or "outsmart" everyone else, guys like Goga and Hunter are proven talents that make positive impacts to winning basketball.

I've been advocating for the Bulls to try to trade down with Atlanta or Charlotte to pick up an extra 2nd rounder or two. Use the lower pick to take Goga, solidifying us at the 4/5 for years to come. We can let RoLo walk, saving salary. Use that money to sign Brogdon or Beverly and get a PG next year in a Draft that will be PG heavy. These Euro centers have a history of NBA success. The latest being Jokic, who was a beast in the playoffs. And look at the pedigree of previous Euro League Rising Stars. Some nice players on that list, including Doncic who won it the previous 2 years. Taking Goga is the kind of long term strategic thinking that has teams like San Antonio contending, or at least being in the playoffs, seemingly every year.

[Dan Z]

Reddish is hypnotizing people with these meaningless workouts. Making jumpers in the gym is not his problem.

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So many players are looking good in these workouts. That shows you how difficult the NBA really is.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Reddish is hypnotizing people with these meaningless workouts. Making jumpers in the gym is not his problem.

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This year's Darko

I think the Pistons would admit they messed up Darko's development. He wasn't given the right opportunities and didn't get to play a style the fit him. I saw an interview a few years ago where Darko talked about not working hard either because he never had to up until he reached the NBA. Those were the early days of drafting Euros and no one knew what they were doing.

Team fit matters. It seems highly unlikely Darko would have been an All-NBA Player or even an All-Star, but he could have been much better in the right situation.

Even more excuses. Darko wasn't a let down because of what happened in Detroit. His failure is on him. I doubt any team could have gotten the most out of Darko. Guys either want it or they don't.

[CoreyVillains]

Since Cam is such a tantalizing prospect I figured for my video’s for him that I’d do one of his good games and one of his not so good games. And because I’m an optimist at heart I started with one of his good games. So here is “Good Cam” Game Tape. “Bad Cam” coming tomorrow or the next day.

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[johnnyvann840]

Excellent post Johnny!

Unfortunately I am too much of a pedantic nerd to not correct the last name on your list.
The NBA veteran and All Star last season is Goran Dragic, drafted in 2008 by the Spurs (d'oh) at #45. So he does support your general case, but his kid brother Zoran played a career total of 75 minutes in the NBA.

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Thanks Big Jim. Good catch on Dragic. I took him off the list.