Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[bigfoot]

Definitely seems like the list is getting a bit shorter each day. Ohhh well, Like Bgood already mentioned. There's going to be a lot of great point guards in the 2020 draft.

In the meantime, Shoot for the stars with one of Beverly, Collison, or Joseph? Providing we can complete a plus move or two.

If we strictly look at UFA point guards the list is

Irving
Kemba
Rubio
Rose
Elfrid
Beverly
Collison
Rondo
I. Thomas
Ish Smith
McConnell
Lin
Joesph

Then UFA power forwards

Durant
Harris
Mirotic
Milsap
Marcus Morris
Thad Young
Aminu
Gibson
Faried
Markief Morris
Jeff Green
JaMychal Green

Getting two good ones is going to be a struggle for Jones and Bower.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Kemba was always a long shot. I think the Knicks or Nets might be more bummed that the Suns. I think he grew up in the NY/NJ area.

I like those names Collison or Beverley. Rubio is out there too but he is not the shooter. Bobby Marks on the GamboBurns interview thought he would be more money than Collison or Beverley

Always a chance at LOnzo Ball too - if the LeBroners want Garland. Probably today, thats the PG I might want most. If the deal were something like 6/Josh or 6/31/Okobo-Melton for BAll

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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I like that Gambo is saying they need a shooter too. You see it with the Warriors, Rockets, Denver, Blazers - both guards can "score the ball"

I wonder who Gambos source is these days - and yes about Rubio. I was Pro Rubio a long time as you all know - but his lack of shooting (I mean, he missed shots against Houston badly!) - I think I am off the Rubio train.

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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[bigfoot]

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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I like that Gambo is saying they need a shooter too. You see it with the Warriors, Rockets, Denver, Blazers - both guards can "score the ball"

I wonder who Gambos source is these days - and yes about Rubio. I was Pro Rubio a long time as you all know - but his lack of shooting (I mean, he missed shots against Houston badly!) - I think I am off the Rubio train.

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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Agreed we need shooters around Ayton and Booker

Here's the best UFA point guards by career three point shooting

http://bkref.com/tiny/1nNCi

Also, best UFA point guards by three point shooting (last season only)

http://bkref.com/tiny/t2mnM

Edit: Barring a miracle to land Irving or Kemba I could handle Beverly, Collison, or Rose.

[BobbieL]

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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I like that Gambo is saying they need a shooter too. You see it with the Warriors, Rockets, Denver, Blazers - both guards can "score the ball"

I wonder who Gambos source is these days - and yes about Rubio. I was Pro Rubio a long time as you all know - but his lack of shooting (I mean, he missed shots against Houston badly!) - I think I am off the Rubio train.

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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If you keep Tyler Johnson - what about Seth Curry? His defense against his brother was pretty solid. Pretty decent shooter. Might be in the 6-8m range.

[bigfoot]

I like that Gambo is saying they need a shooter too. You see it with the Warriors, Rockets, Denver, Blazers - both guards can "score the ball"

I wonder who Gambos source is these days - and yes about Rubio. I was Pro Rubio a long time as you all know - but his lack of shooting (I mean, he missed shots against Houston badly!) - I think I am off the Rubio train.

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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If you keep Tyler Johnson - what about Seth Curry? His defense against his brother was pretty solid. Pretty decent shooter. Might be in the 6-8m range.

He didn't average many assists last year (.9 per game). That's understandable playing with Lillard and McCollum. He did average about 3.5 per 36 min playing with Dallas and the Kings. His career 3 point shooting is phenomenal at .439. As you suggest pairing with Tyler would be ideal so he might be a good sleeper UFA to go after.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Definitely seems like the list is getting a bit shorter each day. Ohhh well, Like Bgood already mentioned. There's going to be a lot of great point guards in the 2020 draft.

In the meantime, Shoot for the stars with one of Beverly, Collison, or Joseph? Providing we can complete a plus move or two.

Kemba was always a long shot. I think the Knicks or Nets might be more bummed that the Suns. I think he grew up in the NY/NJ area.

I like those names Collison or Beverley. Rubio is out there too but he is not the shooter. Bobby Marks on the GamboBurns interview thought he would be more money than Collison or Beverley

Always a chance at LOnzo Ball too - if the LeBroners want Garland. Probably today, thats the PG I might want most. If the deal were something like 6/Josh or 6/31/Okobo-Melton for BAll

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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So, If that's the plan( a proficient shooting) combo guard, Which free agent combo guards then best fit our needs , And are preferably in the range of 8-10 million? Any ideas on free agent targets outside of a trade?

[MathiasPW]

Kemba was always a long shot. I think the Knicks or Nets might be more bummed that the Suns. I think he grew up in the NY/NJ area.

I like those names Collison or Beverley. Rubio is out there too but he is not the shooter. Bobby Marks on the GamboBurns interview thought he would be more money than Collison or Beverley

Always a chance at LOnzo Ball too - if the LeBroners want Garland. Probably today, thats the PG I might want most. If the deal were something like 6/Josh or 6/31/Okobo-Melton for BAll

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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So, If that's the plan( a proficient shooting) combo guard, Which free agent combo guards then best fit our needs , And are preferably in the range of 8-10 million? Any ideas on free agent targets outside of a trade?

Not necessarily FA, but can be had for a JJ + Bucks-pick-centered package:

Eric Gordon, Avery Bradley, Josh Richardson, Courtney Lee, Dion Waiters.

I don't like many of these names, but I can see us going after them to complement Booker on playmaking duties.

[bwgood77]

I like that Gambo is saying they need a shooter too. You see it with the Warriors, Rockets, Denver, Blazers - both guards can "score the ball"

I wonder who Gambos source is these days - and yes about Rubio. I was Pro Rubio a long time as you all know - but his lack of shooting (I mean, he missed shots against Houston badly!) - I think I am off the Rubio train.

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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Agreed we need shooters around Ayton and Booker

Here's the best UFA point guards by career three point shooting

http://bkref.com/tiny/1nNCi

Also, best UFA point guards by three point shooting (last season only)

http://bkref.com/tiny/t2mnM

Edit: Barring a miracle to land Irving or Kemba I could handle Beverly, Collison, or Rose.

I like this list better than your last one, though I don't want Rose. I'm fine with Beverley or Collison, Johnson as a backup and a rookie or one of our second year guys as 3rd string.

I know people want better, and of course I'd prefer Brogdon or Holiday but those are probably pipe dreams.

[bwgood77]

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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So, If that's the plan( a proficient shooting) combo guard, Which free agent combo guards then best fit our needs , And are preferably in the range of 8-10 million? Any ideas on free agent targets outside of a trade?

Not necessarily FA, but can be had for a JJ + Bucks-pick-centered package:

Eric Gordon, Avery Bradley, Jason Richardson, Courtney Lee, Dion Waiters.

I don't like many of these names, but I can see us going after them to complement Booker on playmaking duties.

Jason Richardson is probably too old.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I like that Gambo is saying they need a shooter too. You see it with the Warriors, Rockets, Denver, Blazers - both guards can "score the ball"

I wonder who Gambos source is these days - and yes about Rubio. I was Pro Rubio a long time as you all know - but his lack of shooting (I mean, he missed shots against Houston badly!) - I think I am off the Rubio train.

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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Agreed we need shooters around Ayton and Booker

Here's the best UFA point guards by career three point shooting

http://bkref.com/tiny/1nNCi

Also, best UFA point guards by three point shooting (last season only)

http://bkref.com/tiny/t2mnM

Edit: Barring a miracle to land Irving or Kemba I could handle Beverly, Collison, or Rose.

Nice job Big......

Now from those lists, We just need to identify the best LOW COST shooters with fair assist numbers and possibly with a connection to Jones or Bowers possibly from playing with him( Jones) or being on the team under Bower during his tenure as a g.m.???

[bwgood77]

If they are trying to put Ayton in the best situation to succeed then having shooters around him so other teams can't double as easily is the way to go.

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Agreed we need shooters around Ayton and Booker

Here's the best UFA point guards by career three point shooting

http://bkref.com/tiny/1nNCi

Also, best UFA point guards by three point shooting (last season only)

http://bkref.com/tiny/t2mnM

Edit: Barring a miracle to land Irving or Kemba I could handle Beverly, Collison, or Rose.

Nice job Big......

Now from those lists, We just need to identify the best LOW COST shooters with fair assist numbers and possibly with a connection to Jones or Bowers possibly from playing with him( Jones) or being on the team under Bower during his tenure as a g.m.???

Bowers drafted Darren Collison. Pretty amazing he was the 9th PG taken in that draft with the 21st pick and ended up 4th in rookie of the year voting.

Collison was widely considered to be one of the top point guard prospects in the 2009 NBA Draft coming out of UCLA.[9] He was selected in the first round with the 21st overall by the New Orleans Hornets.

With Chris Paul out for months at two separate times during the 2009–10 season, Collison became the starting point guard. Collison handed out a Hornets rookie-record 18 assists and scored 17 points on January 30, 2010 when New Orleans ended Memphis's 11-game home winning streak with a 113–111 overtime victory. Later on March 8, 2010, Collison broke his own record with a Hornets rookie-record 20 assists (along with 16 points) in a 135–131 victory over the Golden State Warriors. In a game against the Indiana Pacers on February 19, 2010, Collison became only the second rookie of the 2009–10 season to get a triple-double with 18 points, 13 rebounds, and 12 assists. He finished 4th in the NBA Rookie of the Year voting and averaged 18.8 points and 9.1 assists in the 37 games as a starter, but had four turnovers a contest as a starter in his first NBA season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Collison

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_draft

[TeamTragic]

Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

What do we have to lose at this point? We should give Brogdon a huge contract if necessary.

I like that Oubre contract (10M) and want him on this team next season.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

What do we have to lose at this point? We should give Brogdon a huge contract if necessary.

I like that Oubre contract and want him on this team next season.

The tricky part with brogdon or any RFA is the suns would first need to clear cap space to make an offer then the bucks would have 3 days to match. So you could clear the space and still not get him and loose out on other targets while it's in the matching window.

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[BobbieL]

Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

What do we have to lose at this point? We should give Brogdon a huge contract if necessary.

I like that Oubre contract and want him on this team next season.

The tricky part with brogdon or any RFA is the suns would first need to clear cap space to make an offer then the bucks would have 3 days to match. So you could clear the space and still not get him and loose out on other targets while it's in the matching window.

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Good points:

Collison and Young or Aminu


Bowers drafted Collison

Aminu played for Monty before moving to Portland

familiarity

[bigfoot]

Agreed we need shooters around Ayton and Booker

Here's the best UFA point guards by career three point shooting

http://bkref.com/tiny/1nNCi

Also, best UFA point guards by three point shooting (last season only)

http://bkref.com/tiny/t2mnM

Edit: Barring a miracle to land Irving or Kemba I could handle Beverly, Collison, or Rose.

Nice job Big......

Now from those lists, We just need to identify the best LOW COST shooters with fair assist numbers and possibly with a connection to Jones or Bowers possibly from playing with him( Jones) or being on the team under Bower during his tenure as a g.m.???

Bowers drafted Darren Collison. Pretty amazing he was the 9th PG taken in that draft with the 21st pick and ended up 4th in rookie of the year voting.

Collison was widely considered to be one of the top point guard prospects in the 2009 NBA Draft coming out of UCLA.[9] He was selected in the first round with the 21st overall by the New Orleans Hornets.

With Chris Paul out for months at two separate times during the 2009–10 season, Collison became the starting point guard. Collison handed out a Hornets rookie-record 18 assists and scored 17 points on January 30, 2010 when New Orleans ended Memphis's 11-game home winning streak with a 113–111 overtime victory. Later on March 8, 2010, Collison broke his own record with a Hornets rookie-record 20 assists (along with 16 points) in a 135–131 victory over the Golden State Warriors. In a game against the Indiana Pacers on February 19, 2010, Collison became only the second rookie of the 2009–10 season to get a triple-double with 18 points, 13 rebounds, and 12 assists. He finished 4th in the NBA Rookie of the Year voting and averaged 18.8 points and 9.1 assists in the 37 games as a starter, but had four turnovers a contest as a starter in his first NBA season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Collison

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NBA_draft

The only problem with Collison is his age. Will be 32 next season and probably would need a three year deal. He has been pretty durable at least.

[Mjee]

Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

What do we have to lose at this point? We should give Brogdon a huge contract if necessary.

I like that Oubre contract (10M) and want him on this team next season.

That is kinda where I am at now. Give Brogdon a big time deal and resign Oubre .....We do this and we would have to forgo a signing a PF

Brogdon
Book
Mikal
Oubre
Ayton

[TeamTragic]

Bobby Marks on Arizona Sports 98.7 said that the price expected this summer for Malcom Brogdon is $70M / 4 yeas, similar to Eric Bledsoe's extension. They said that we are interested in him...but the problem is his high price.

So I think that we would need to go way up and offer him probably around $100M / 4 years and wait for the Bucks not matching that.

It is too much money...so sadly it is not happening.

Bobby Marks talked about Kelly Oubre too. He thinks that his market's value is $10M/12M per year.

Gambo said that those are the numbers that the Suns are expecting and hoping to pay for Oubre this summer. The hard line is gonna be at $13M/14M...we probably will not pay more than that.

He said that over $15M per year the Suns would be OK letting him go because they do not want to pay all of that money to a player that would be at best our third best player.

What do we have to lose at this point? We should give Brogdon a huge contract if necessary.

I like that Oubre contract (10M) and want him on this team next season.

That is kinda where I am at now. Give Brogdon a big time deal and resign Oubre .....We do this and we would have to forgo a signing a PF

Brogdon
Book
Mikal
Oubre
Ayton

That lineup looks pretty damn good. We need a quality point guard really bad. I would overpay for Brogdon and then trade for a power forward.

[Desertfox]

How about a sign and trade for Brogdon? 6th pick good enough? What would the Bucks be interested in?

[bwgood77]

How about a sign and trade for Brogdon? 6th pick good enough? What would the Bucks be interested in?

I imagine the Bucks will match any offer he gets.

[Walt_Uoob]

Definitely seems like the list is getting a bit shorter each day. Ohhh well, Like Bgood already mentioned. There's going to be a lot of great point guards in the 2020 draft.

In the meantime, Shoot for the stars with one of Beverly, Collison, or Joseph? Providing we can complete a plus move or two.

Kemba was always a long shot. I think the Knicks or Nets might be more bummed that the Suns. I think he grew up in the NY/NJ area.

I like those names Collison or Beverley. Rubio is out there too but he is not the shooter. Bobby Marks on the GamboBurns interview thought he would be more money than Collison or Beverley

Always a chance at LOnzo Ball too - if the LeBroners want Garland. Probably today, thats the PG I might want most. If the deal were something like 6/Josh or 6/31/Okobo-Melton for BAll

I'm curious to see what kind of market Rubio has. With more and more emphasis on shooting I think his FA market might be real soft. Like he could be looking at high-end backup money.

Now that Igor is gone I doubt Phoenix will have much of any interest. Gambo seems to be getting fed info they want shooting in a PG (which is the right thing to do).

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I doubt we go after Rubio for those same reasons, but at a certain price point he'd be great as a serviceable vet who can run an offense, get our young guys quality shots, play good defense, and transition into a backup when our next great point guard comes along. Even if we draft Garland or White, or hopefully a better PG prospect next summer, they're going to take some time to develop. Rubio for 3-5 years on a cheap deal would be helpful and also tradeable if necessary.

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