2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[kulaz3000]

The more I look at this draft, the more I would just prefer to trade down. Like down to the 20's. I like some guys who are projected to go in the 20's as much as I like the guys who are likely to be available at 7. The Celtics have 14, 20 and 22. Maybe they would want the 7 pick as part of their pitch to the Pels for AD. The Nets have 17, 27 and 31 - I might even consider that package.

You could probably bit just as good of a prospect in the 20's as you would at no.6 or no.7.

The draft is deep with decent prospects, just not deep with high quality prospects.

As you said, it's a great draft to trade down and try to get an additional asset or trade out entirely for a future pick instead.

[bearadonisdna]

Agreed on the weak draft helping him. And we are all very well aware of his terrible numbers.

My point continues to be it’s just easy for everyone to say his numbers suck so he sucks. He will be a very interesting experiment. All tools, no numbers. Unique team situation.

But how can you blame those people who feel he will bust, considering that there have been prospects throughout draft history with much better numbers in college, who still didn't work out in the NBA, and yet you expect someone who had horrible numbers to be optimistic about? Because of what exactly? What he did in high school?

Hardly anyone wants to talk about high school.
This is the draft thread on an NBA board.
Delving this deep into college/NCAA is circumstantial for most of us.
Diluting the discussion even further to high school is not worth it and hopefully we can get away from that

[cjbulls]

Agreed on the weak draft helping him. And we are all very well aware of his terrible numbers.

My point continues to be it’s just easy for everyone to say his numbers suck so he sucks. He will be a very interesting experiment. All tools, no numbers. Unique team situation.

But how can you blame those people who feel he will bust, considering that there have been prospects throughout draft history with much better numbers in college, who still didn't work out in the NBA, and yet you expect someone who had horrible numbers to be optimistic about? Because of what exactly? What he did in high school?

That gets to the nature of posting. I respond with reasonable responses on why you can’t just cross off Cam and people jump in with the numbers and acting like it’s crazy to even consider him.

The most likely response for optimism is that he played out of position at Duke. He entered Duke as a ball dominant PG that was destined to play point forward. But he happened to go to a school with Zion and Reddish. In the past week I’ve posted several articles noting prior to the season how problematic this trio could be.

And I look at the only time I know that three star players all joined together at the same time with separate success: Lebrons first two team changes. In each case, the most passive player saw a significant dip in their numbers. Cam was already criticized for his passivity in HS. Love and Bosh have both opened up about how difficult that was for them, and they were grown men with max contracts and past All-Nba appearances. He is an 18 year old kid on his own for the first time with all that spotlight Duke received this year.

So I then look back at his skills: shooting, length, vision, playmaking. And working with professional trainers who saw him last season and can address his deficiencies and there’s a chance he turns out well in the right situation. I just can’t guarantee that’s his whole “problem” and what type of situation is best for him to flourish.

[MeloRoseNoah]

The more I look at this draft, the more I would just prefer to trade down. Like down to the 20's. I like some guys who are projected to go in the 20's as much as I like the guys who are likely to be available at 7. The Celtics have 14, 20 and 22. Maybe they would want the 7 pick as part of their pitch to the Pels for AD. The Nets have 17, 27 and 31 - I might even consider that package.

You could probably bit just as good of a prospect in the 20's as you would at no.6 or no.7.

The draft is deep with decent prospects, just not deep with high quality prospects.

As you said, it's a great draft to trade down and try to get an additional asset or trade out entirely for a future pick instead.

I disagree. Trading down is a cop out way of admitting that you don't know wtf you are doing in the scouting department. My personal opinion is that the best player of this draft may possibly be in the #7-14. It's up to GarPax to work for their money and uncover that hidden gem. A star like a Kawhi Lenoard or Jimmy Butler is going to help this this team moving forward. Some role player like Hutchinson isn't going to move the needle.

[Benedict Miller]

With Reddish's athleticism and quickness, I expected a lot more dunks from him. I don't remember him having any dunks in traffic or attempts, and seemed to settle a lot.

I'm also not sure if I've seen a player step out of bounce as much as he did also. Had trouble knowing what to do with the ball whenever he got it with pressure.

Maybe he'll get it years from now, seems like a project that needs to understand the game better. Still thought it was bizarre that he missed that sweet 16 game for Duke. Seems soft, with lack of leadership qualities. Hopefully a team drafts him before our pick.

[DanTown8587]

The more I look at this draft, the more I would just prefer to trade down. Like down to the 20's. I like some guys who are projected to go in the 20's as much as I like the guys who are likely to be available at 7. The Celtics have 14, 20 and 22. Maybe they would want the 7 pick as part of their pitch to the Pels for AD. The Nets have 17, 27 and 31 - I might even consider that package.

You could probably bit just as good of a prospect in the 20's as you would at no.6 or no.7.

The draft is deep with decent prospects, just not deep with high quality prospects.

As you said, it's a great draft to trade down and try to get an additional asset or trade out entirely for a future pick instead.

I disagree. Trading down is a cop out way of admitting that you don't know wtf you are doing in the scouting department. My personal opinion is that the best player of this draft may possibly be in the #7-14. It's up to GarPax to work for their money and uncover that hidden gem. A star like a Kawhi Lenoard or Jimmy Butler is going to help this this team moving forward. Some role player like Hutchinson isn't going to move the needle.

depending how far down you go, it also says that there is enough unknown factors in player development that you’d rather take two shots than one.

Also, trading down is almost always having more belief in your scouting than trading up. It’s far harder for Ainge to historically trade out of #1 for a “no doubter” and risk #3.

[Rose2Boozer]

No Garland or Culver and I’m moving back.

Please don’t stay there and draft Coby White or Hunter. Dont want safe low ceilings picks.

I like Coby White. He's more than likely will be the guy who gets drafted before most expected. There is always room in the league for guards who can create for themselves and others off the dribble. If he can knockdown shots, someone will have themselves a good value draft pick. As far as Hunter, I pretty much agree with you. I don't think the Bulls need two of Chandler Hutchinson. The Bulls certainly shouldn't be looking to waste a lottery pick for the privilege.

The Great Bol Bol.

[bearadonisdna]

All the guys 4-8 are all guys who may not finish their rookie contracts with their original team.

[MeloRoseNoah]

No Garland or Culver and I’m moving back.

Please don’t stay there and draft Coby White or Hunter. Dont want safe low ceilings picks.

I like Coby White. He's more than likely will be the guy who gets drafted before most expected. There is always room in the league for guards who can create for themselves and others off the dribble. If he can knockdown shots, someone will have themselves a good value draft pick. As far as Hunter, I pretty much agree with you. I don't the Bulls need two of Chandler Hutchinson. The Bulls certainly shouldn't be looking to waste a lottery pick for the privilege.

The Great Bol Bol.

This is false. DeAndre Hunter has a huge wingspan of 7'3, along with NBA stable ball handling at the sf/pf role, while possessing a sweet jumper. His ceiling is a Kawli Leonard, and he may indeed be the best player in his draft in that mold. His bball IQ is already excellent, as evident by him playing efficient winning basketball without requiring much touches and excellent defense.

He's my pick to be a sleeper in this draft. If he's being put in the right situation with an excellent work ethic, the sky is the limit for this guy. He's only 21 years old, a year older than Kawhi Lenoard when he came into the league at 20 yo.

[sco]

I think the Reddish conundrum will become commonplace when they drop the 1 and done rule. He would have probably gone higher out of HS...which is why I really like the 1 and done rule because you get to see how these guys are doing against a higher level of competition.

[Rose2Boozer]

No Garland or Culver and I’m moving back.

Please don’t stay there and draft Coby White or Hunter. Dont want safe low ceilings picks.

I like Coby White. He's more than likely will be the guy who gets drafted before most expected. There is always room in the league for guards who can create for themselves and others off the dribble. If he can knockdown shots, someone will have themselves a good value draft pick. As far as Hunter, I pretty much agree with you. I don't the Bulls need two of Chandler Hutchinson. The Bulls certainly shouldn't be looking to waste a lottery pick for the privilege.

The Great Bol Bol.

This is false. DeAndre Hunter has a huge wingspan of 7'3, along with NBA stable ball handling at the sf/pf role, while possessing a sweet jumper. His ceiling is a Kawli Leonard, and he may indeed be the best player in his draft in that mold. His bball IQ is already excellent, as evident by him playing efficient winning basketball without requiring much touches and excellent defense.

He's my pick to be a sleeper in this draft. If he's being put in the right situation with an excellent work ethic, the sky is the limit for this guy. He's only 21 years old, a year older than Kahwi Lenoard when he came into the league at 20 yo.

Come on, DeAndre Hunter's ceiling is surely not Kawhi Leonard. He can't do much off the dribble, and he's not as explosive as Leonard was coming out of college. I definitely don't see the intrigue for this Bulls team. Hunter is pretty much a good defensive prospect, and you hope and pray his three ball translates to the pros.

[MeloRoseNoah]

Come on, DeAndre Hunter's ceiling is surely not Kawhi Leonard. He can't do much off the dribble, and he's not as explosive as Leonard was coming out of college. I definitely don't see the intrigue for this Bulls team. Hunter is pretty much a good defensive prospect, and you hope and pray his three ball translates to the pros.

DeAndre Hunter is definitely an above average athlete with above average physical tools. His physical profile definitely matches Kawli's with similar defensive prowess, and a better three ball.

As for his ball handling skills, I personally think that he has better ball handling skills than what he has shown on college tapes. I'll leave that area for GarPax to make the judgment call in private workouts.

Calling DeAndre Hunter ceiling as a role player is a stretch. The dude is young enough with enough physical tools and bball IQ to be a star in this league, assuming that he has an elite work ethic.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Come on, DeAndre Hunter's ceiling is surely not Kawhi Leonard. He can't do much off the dribble, and he's not as explosive as Leonard was coming out of college. I definitely don't see the intrigue for this Bulls team. Hunter is pretty much a good defensive prospect, and you hope and pray his three ball translates to the pros.

DeAndre Hunter is definitely an above average athlete with above average physical tools. His physical profile definitely matches Kawli's with similar defensive prowess, and a better three ball.

As for his ball handling skills, I personally think that he has better ball handling skills than what he has shown on college tapes. I'll leave that area for GarPax to make the judgment call in private workouts.

Calling DeAndre Hunter ceiling as a role player is a stretch. The dude is young enough with enough physical tools and bball IQ to be a star in this league, assuming that he has an elite work ethic.

What was he ranked coming out of HS?

[MeloRoseNoah]

What was he ranked coming out of HS?

#72 overall in his high school class, which goes to show you that HS ranking doesn't mean jack, especially for people pointing to Reddish prospect as a NBA star based on his high school ranking. Morant was an unranked high school player, who's now projected to be the #2 overall pick.

Kawli Leonard was ranked #48 in his high school class, and Jimmy Butler was ranked #73 in his high school class.

[cjbulls]

What was he ranked coming out of HS?

#72 overall in his high school class, which goes to show you that HS ranking doesn't mean jack, especially for people pointing to Reddish prospect as a NBA star based on his high school ranking. Morant was an unranked high school player, who's now projected to be the #2 overall pick.

Kawli Leonard was ranked #48 in his high school class, and Jimmy Butler was ranked #73 in his high school class.

DeAndre was asked by Virginia to redshirt as a freshman. Oh I’m sure he would have put up amazing #’s at Duke as a freshman.

College stats are not a great predictor of nba success. In the abstract, I would guess it may even be weaker than HS ranking.

[Jcool0]

Come on, DeAndre Hunter's ceiling is surely not Kawhi Leonard. He can't do much off the dribble, and he's not as explosive as Leonard was coming out of college. I definitely don't see the intrigue for this Bulls team. Hunter is pretty much a good defensive prospect, and you hope and pray his three ball translates to the pros.

DeAndre Hunter is definitely an above average athlete with above average physical tools. His physical profile definitely matches Kawli's with similar defensive prowess, and a better three ball.

As for his ball handling skills, I personally think that he has better ball handling skills than what he has shown on college tapes. I'll leave that area for GarPax to make the judgment call in private workouts.

Calling DeAndre Hunter ceiling as a role player is a stretch. The dude is young enough with enough physical tools and bball IQ to be a star in this league, assuming that he has an elite work ethic.

No its pretty spot on.

[Red Larrivee]

Because he has the size and skill set to be a very effective player. And he has a history up until this last year of success. And the last year put him in a spot different from any other prospect.

Who cares what Reddish did in 10th grade against Publix cashiers. He **** the bed against the highest level of competition he's ever faced. There were circumstances involved that altered his role; however:

1. His numbers without Zion in the lineup were still awful.
2. He didn't just have a bad season; he had an all-time bad season for a freshman who's projected to go in the Top-10.

It's hard to sit here and talk about tools and skillset, when they aren't effective and come with significant concern about intangibles. If it were all about tools and skillset without some sort of measurement of effectiveness, Kris Dunn would be a much better player than he is right now.

[MeloRoseNoah]

Come on, DeAndre Hunter's ceiling is surely not Kawhi Leonard. He can't do much off the dribble, and he's not as explosive as Leonard was coming out of college. I definitely don't see the intrigue for this Bulls team. Hunter is pretty much a good defensive prospect, and you hope and pray his three ball translates to the pros.

DeAndre Hunter is definitely an above average athlete with above average physical tools. His physical profile definitely matches Kawli's with similar defensive prowess, and a better three ball.

As for his ball handling skills, I personally think that he has better ball handling skills than what he has shown on college tapes. I'll leave that area for GarPax to make the judgment call in private workouts.

Calling DeAndre Hunter ceiling as a role player is a stretch. The dude is young enough with enough physical tools and bball IQ to be a star in this league, assuming that he has an elite work ethic.

No its pretty spot on.

Hm... Thanks for the garbage analysis. Why respond like a 3 yo to pad your post count?

[Chi town]

Low ceiling? Do you really know what you are saying? As far as I know, Coby White has overachieved at every level. Coming out of high school as a prolific scoring shooting guard, he was never expected to be the starting point guard for a reputable program like UNC and a demanding coach like Roy Williams, but he did from day one despite the odds. That shows character, upside, skills and IQ. I would not mind having him on board if the organization determines that he fits.

So what's White's ceiling?

I've watched a lot of tape and I don't see anything special. All the lows have been well documented here.

Jamal Murray, Jamal Crawford, DeAron Fox, to name a few.

I wish. I’d draft him if I saw those ceilings. Murray is a much better shooter and is better creating his own showy. White doesn’t have wiggle and a handle like JC at all. Fox is the fastest player in the league with the ball in his hands. Coby is quick but not elite fast like Fox.

I see Coby White being a Eric Bledsoe. Not a bad player. Basically decent starter or plus bench piece.

I see Garland in the Fox category. That’s why I’d trade up for him in a heartbeat.

[_txchilibowl_]

How anyone can make definitive conclusions on 18 and 19 year old kids is beyond me....