Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[bwoolf2]

I know most here are not Rozier fans but he played really well as a starter and plays hard, I prefer Brogon but dont think he is a realistic option

[Young gun 6]

We need to do whatever we can to her Malcolm Brogdon.


50/40/90 seasons as a 25 year old with passable defense is nothing to be sneezed at.

+17 in a 6pt loss today.

He actually turns 27 in December.

50/40/90 seasons ended the season as a 26 year old*

[bwgood77]

We need to do whatever we can to her Malcolm Brogdon.


50/40/90 seasons as a 25 year old with passable defense is nothing to be sneezed at.

+17 in a 6pt loss today.

He actually turns 27 in December.

50/40/90 seasons ended the season as a 26 year old*

I'd be surprised if they don't match any offer or if he doesn't even entertain any others (if the Bucks will pay him close to as much) to continue playing for a contender.

Of course I would love to have him....have been hoping we'd go for him as one of my top options this season for awhile, but don't see why they would not match.

[bigfoot]

He actually turns 27 in December.

50/40/90 seasons ended the season as a 26 year old*

I'd be surprised if they don't match any offer or if he doesn't even entertain any others (if the Bucks will pay him close to as much) to continue playing for a contender.

Of course I would love to have him....have been hoping we'd go for him as one of my top options this season for awhile, but don't see why they would not match.

I don't like to see our cap space tied up waiting 3 days on a team to match an RFA offer either. We could lose out on signing a UFA point guard.

[lilfishi22]

He actually turns 27 in December.

50/40/90 seasons ended the season as a 26 year old*

I'd be surprised if they don't match any offer or if he doesn't even entertain any others (if the Bucks will pay him close to as much) to continue playing for a contender.

Of course I would love to have him....have been hoping we'd go for him as one of my top options this season for awhile, but don't see why they would not match.

Yeah agreed. I don't really see any reasonable offer that they won't match. It would take a near max offer for them to consider not keeping him and at the point, it would become quite overpaid.

[lilfishi22]

50/40/90 seasons ended the season as a 26 year old*

I'd be surprised if they don't match any offer or if he doesn't even entertain any others (if the Bucks will pay him close to as much) to continue playing for a contender.

Of course I would love to have him....have been hoping we'd go for him as one of my top options this season for awhile, but don't see why they would not match.

I don't like to see our cap space tied up waiting 3 days on a team to match an RFA offer either. We could lose out on signing a UFA point guard.

If we're interested in him and make an offer, that's the game we'll have to play.

[jredsaz]

I'd be surprised if they don't match any offer or if he doesn't even entertain any others (if the Bucks will pay him close to as much) to continue playing for a contender.

Of course I would love to have him....have been hoping we'd go for him as one of my top options this season for awhile, but don't see why they would not match.

I don't like to see our cap space tied up waiting 3 days on a team to match an RFA offer either. We could lose out on signing a UFA point guard.

If we're interested in him and make an offer, that's the game we'll have to play.

It actually takes longer. Its three days after the end of the legal tampering period. RFA arent worth it generally. If Kyrie goes to Brooklyn I would offer Russell, but that's about it. Milwaukee will match anything on Brogdon.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

50/40/90 seasons ended the season as a 26 year old*

I'd be surprised if they don't match any offer or if he doesn't even entertain any others (if the Bucks will pay him close to as much) to continue playing for a contender.

Of course I would love to have him....have been hoping we'd go for him as one of my top options this season for awhile, but don't see why they would not match.

I don't like to see our cap space tied up waiting 3 days on a team to match an RFA offer either. We could lose out on signing a UFA point guard.

They extended bledsoe so I doubt they are in the PG market. They really won't be in the FA market beyond the MLE. Middleton could be a tough decision because he's a nice player but there's a number he could get by a desperate team that would make them uncomfortable.

I think there's mutual interest from both the bucks and brogdon to get something done. They kind of have to have a guy like him starting next to bledsoe. As we've seen first hand bledsoe does some good things but he's also not a real floor general and it really helps to be able to get the ball to a calm smart dude like Malcolm.

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[sunsbum]

I know most here are not Rozier fans but he played really well as a starter and plays hard, I prefer Brogon but dont think he is a realistic option

hard no. hard ass no,

[sunsbum]

brogden isn't worth the max. not really even close IMO. Bucks priority should 100% be about signing midleton. if you don't put 3pt shooters around a Bledsoe/giannis combo you aint going very far.

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[bwgood77]

brogden isn't worth the max. not really even close IMO. Bucks priority should 100% be about signing midleton. if you don't put 3pt shooters around a Bledsoe/giannis combo you aint going very far.

Brogdon shot 42.6% from 3 and Middleton 37.8% this year on similar volume..2 pt is also 54.4% vs like 48.5% and FT he beats him too.

[sunsbum]

brogden isn't worth the max. not really even close IMO. Bucks priority should 100% be about signing midleton. if you don't put 3pt shooters around a Bledsoe/giannis combo you aint going very far.

Brogdon shot 42.6% from 3 and Middleton 37.8% this year on similar volume..2 pt is also 54.4% vs like 48.5% and FT he beats him too.

oh my. I had no idea...

[Kerrsed]

I know most here are not Rozier fans but he played really well as a starter and plays hard, I prefer Brogon but dont think he is a realistic option

Here is my first reaction:



Now with that being said (Or seen), let me just say, i have been one of the bigger Rozier haters on the board, but my hard line stance on him has really started to soften.

Yes, he had a breakout series last year in the playoffs, but that is a very small sample size. I mean that was his 3rd season in the league and he really didnt show much until that breakout performance. That was his best season and in the 26 minutes he averaged, h his stats were 11 Points (40%FG;38%3PT), 5 Rebounds, 3 Assists, and a Steal (Also with only 1 TO a game). Yes, that was his BEST season. Of course Boston Fans gave him a cute lil' nickname for his playoff performance and ended up over-hyping him to the point that he might have got a big head from it.

But the reason i have stopped hating him as much as i have is from stuff this season. Of course his stats and percentages are all down from last year, but i started noticing more things that i saw him doing that dont show up on the stat sheet, and one of them was his defense. Now some can chalk that up to Brad Stevens or the Celtics system, but i have watched quite a few Youtube videos with him explaining his defense on guys and i was rather impressed with what he was saying.

Here is one of those videos:

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And while his remarks after the Celtics season ended started hitting the media, honestly i do feel that he sacrificed a lot this season. While of course he sacrificed money (On what will be his next contract by playing a different more reserved role this year), he also sacrificed his talents, which was his response when anyone asked him about that comment.

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I hate to say it, but he did and i agree with him.

I also like how he wants to take control over his career. He isnt happy riding the pine and playing spot minutes behind someone else while cruising to an almost guaranteed late round playoff run, he wants to utilize his skills, step out from behind someone else's shadow, and make a name for himself while showing people who he is, what kind of player he is, and that he belongs. Cant fault a guy for that. Sounds very familiar to what Irving did when he stunned the world by asking to be traded away from Lebron and a guaranteed title contender every season. I like that. I like that a lot. It really speaks to his character.

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Now lets talk more about Terry the player. From what i understand he is a basketball rat. Loves being in the gym and loves going over video of not just himself but other players as well (To not only learn how to better defend them, but to also see if there is something from their offense that he can try to incorporate into his game).

He is a combo guard first and foremost. He attacks the rim, but his go to move is pull up jumpers. Way better with the ball in his hands and hitting the pull-ups than he is as a catch and shoot player camped out at the 3 point line. He isnt going to be the playmaker that some people want. I believe his Assist high is 10 in a game. Thats not his thing. While he does have some nice passes and is smart with the ball (Low turnover rate), he is better served as the PG that draws defenders away and the ball gets swung around the court. He is the assist mans assist man (If that makes any sense). He also is an underrated defender. Good at sticking with his man and reading plays.

For the right amount of money, i think there is enough there to try to take on and hope we can help him grow and possibly mold him into the player we want to run the point next to Booker. Dont get me wrong, its definitely a gamble, but im liking him more than some other names i have seen thrown around here. The kid has skills, and a better base to work from then some of those other guys. To me its all about price. What is his price, no one knows.

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[carey]

Brogdon joined the 50-40-90 club this year. As you know this is an exclusive club that only consists of elite shooters.

[sasquatchBob]

Interesting post Kerrsed. Rozier is not on top of my PG list but I would be willing to give him a chance on 10 million per year type of a contract. I think skill wise he's about on the same level as Tyler Johnson. If we can have a cheaper version of Tyler Johnson with more potential upside, why not?

[RedIndian]

Rozier has some skills, and could potentially be a decent player as a starter, but thing that scares me most is his atrocious 2P%. Just how bad is he at finishing at the rim?!

That, and given the lack of his playmaking, there are simply much better options out there.

Carrying on with my Josh Richardson obsession, I wonder if this trade would be realistic?

#6, Warren, JJ

for

Josh Richardson & Kelly Olynyk

The Heat do this to get more young assets, save a bit of money, and get a long-term PG in Garland / White.

We do this to get a very good long-term fit next to Book in Josh Richardson, and a stretch PF in Olynyk (though slightly overpaid).

Line-up would be:

Ayton/Holmes
Olynyk/#32
Oubre/Bridges
Booker/Tyler/Melton
Richardson/Okobo

[Saberestar]

Rozier has some skills, and could potentially be a decent player as a starter, but thing that scares me most is his atrocious 2P%. Just how bad is he at finishing at the rim?!

That, and given the lack of his playmaking, there are simply much better options out there.

Carrying on with my Josh Richardson obsession, I wonder if this trade would be realistic?

#6, Warren, JJ, Melton

for

Josh Richardson & Kelly Olynyk

The Heat do this to get more young assets, save a bit of money, and get a long-term PG in Garland / White.

We do this to get a very good long-term fit next to Book in Josh Richardson, and a stretch PF in Olynyk (though slightly overpaid).

Line-up would be:

Ayton/Holmes
Olynyk/#32
Oubre/Bridges
Booker/Tyler
Richardson/Okobo

I like Richardson, but I think we need a better creator or facilitator next to Booker in the backcourt.

Richardson is not good enough with the ball in his hands to be our primary ball handler. We don't want to play Book as a "PG", Monty Williams talked specifically about avoiding ISO ball, and that is how we play when Book needs to create too much for the team.

I would trade for Richardson if he is available for some strange reason, but I don't expect it. His value probably is superhigh, is not worthy because we would need to trade a ton for him and he plays exactly the position that we have pretty well covered (SG/SF).

[Waylay13]

Rozier has some skills, and could potentially be a decent player as a starter, but thing that scares me most is his atrocious 2P%. Just how bad is he at finishing at the rim?!

That, and given the lack of his playmaking, there are simply much better options out there.

Carrying on with my Josh Richardson obsession, I wonder if this trade would be realistic?

#6, Warren, JJ

for

Josh Richardson & Kelly Olynyk

The Heat do this to get more young assets, save a bit of money, and get a long-term PG in Garland / White.

We do this to get a very good long-term fit next to Book in Josh Richardson, and a stretch PF in Olynyk (though slightly overpaid).

Line-up would be:

Ayton/Holmes
Olynyk/#32
Oubre/Bridges
Booker/Tyler/Melton
Richardson/Okobo

I just dont see why you want to bring in another small forward and claim that he is a point guard. last year he spent 1% of his time at point, 41% at shooting guard, and 55% at small forward and 3% power forward. So while he did average 4.1 assists a game he really isnt point guard.

[RedIndian]

I think with Monty, we will play a lot through Ayton, and it would work to have a big three consisting of Ayton and two scoring guards.

Richardson isn't a natural playmaker, but he's a competent ball-handler (better than Booker I believe) with a low turnover rate.

His shooting and scoring is coming on, and his defense is excellent. I think he'd fit well next to Booker.