Curry 2015 NBA finals

[Heat4lyf]

To anyone confused the Iggy Finals MVP it was given because Lebron was 33% from the field guarded by Iggy and almost 50% against everyone else. His starting changed the whole series, and was the reason they won. Meanwhile Delly made Steph look bad.

So LeBron got shut down 1v1 vs Iggy and shot 33% didn't trust his teammates at all blew a 2-1 lead because he couldn't figure out Iggy. Someone Remind me why he received votes for fmvp

[shi-woo]

You curry fan boys are still trying to making excuses for curry . Man, If you are really an ATG GoAT level player , you will have some finals MVPs, not here discussing if he should’ve won 1 out of those 3 Fmvps. I mean a GOAT level player like you fan boys claimed , should unquestionably be the best player on your own team and left the marks on the biggest stage. This is how you become GOAT level player by leading your team to championships and undeniably contributed the most to your team success AKA put the team on the shoulder and not being carried. Look at MJ, Lebron , SHAQ Hakeem, Bird etc... it’s no coincidence.

Man LeBron fans make me laugh at how salty they are over Steph coming out of nowhere and putting an end to the horse and pony show.

LeBron was absolute TRASH his first two finals appearances man. The dude averaged 18-7-7 while being guarded by 32 year old Matrix and DeShawn Stevenson....

Funny how that narrative changed with time. Tells me the same will be true for Curry and his detractors

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[Krazykiwi]

I really didn’t want to make anymore posts on this thread, but you Curry fan boys are just out of your minds still trying to convince others how Curry was the finals mvp.

Like I said earlier, the real all time great players don’t sit here on a forum discussing about if he should / could have won even 1 out if 3 finals MVPs . Don’t you guys now how pathetic this sounds ? The real ATG players don’t have this type of stuff happening to them, when they win, they get the finals MVPs almost by default, because that’s what the true great players do. Not here bringing up all those stupid graphs, stats, and countless excuses. Even imaginary excuses like how his presence on the court opened up other players . Like other great players don’t ever get double team? If you Always play like crap when doubled team , maybe you just aren’t that good ? For someone who can’t finish at the rim, can’t really take playoffs defenders off the dribble, of course it’s easy to shut your fragile ass down . Everyone and his grandma knows you are going to shoot the 3. It’s the only thing you can do when defenders get serious in the playoffs.

[mademan]

You curry fan boys are still trying to making excuses for curry . Man, If you are really an ATG GoAT level player , you will have some finals MVPs, not here discussing if he should’ve won 1 out of those 3 Fmvps. I mean a GOAT level player like you fan boys claimed , should unquestionably be the best player on your own team and left the marks on the biggest stage. This is how you become GOAT level player by leading your team to championships and undeniably contributed the most to your team success AKA put the team on the shoulder and not being carried. Look at MJ, Lebron , SHAQ Hakeem, Bird etc... it’s no coincidence.

Man LeBron fans make me laugh at how salty they are over Steph coming out of nowhere and putting an end to the horse and pony show.

LeBron was absolute TRASH his first two finals appearances man. The dude averaged 18-7-7 while being guarded by 32 year old Matrix and DeShawn Stevenson....

Funny how that narrative changed with time. Tells me the same will be true for Curry and his detractors

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Narrative didnt change until Lebron changed it. After his 2011 performance, nobody was going to entertain him as a top 10 great. He followed up that Mavs loss with 7 straight finals of being the best player on the court.

Narrative isnt going to change for Curry until he changes it. There's still a very large contingent (perhaps even the majority) who believe KD is still a better player than him.

[Onus]

Literally no other player in the history of basketball has ever been guarded like curry. For those people saying other superstars have gotten double/triple teamed as well, yea that’s true but they’re getting that attention at the hoop not 30-40 ft away from the basket. Draymond Green literally gets a fast break attempt every time they double steph 30 ft from the hoop. No other player in history is creating fast breaks in a half court set. Teams literally would rather give up 4v3 with a wide open lane to the rim to the dubs than let steph shoot a contested 3. So yes other superstars have been doubled and tripled before, but it’s not the same as steph getting doubled.

[Baski]

Did he really play that bad though? I feel like for this finals we need to compare him to the person that actually won FMVP.

That's the thing though. His play wasn't horrible, but it stood out as subpar to everyone who watched it (save a few in this thread I suppose), and most importantly, it wasn't clearly better than his teammate's, which is what the FMVP is all about. Forget about what happened throughout the season, throughout the playoffs up till now. For these 4-7 games, whose performance stood out as being integral to the win? This seems to be an easy point to achieve for lead guys who actually win multiple titles, it's pretty much a formality for 90-98% of all finals in fact, and Curry certainly hasn't made it easier on himself by recruiting KD.

Who was truly more valuable in that series to the Warriors? If you think Iggy was then ok we will agree to disagree. I believe Steph was more valuable to the Warriors. If he's not on the floor they do not win against a depleted Cavs roster.

I've already said that Iggy was the rightful FMVP. Curry was their MVP for the season overall no doubt, but against the Cavs, Iggy made the difference imo. Sure agree to disagree.
As to the bolded, you can say the same for the top 3 players of most championship teams. Doesn't mean much. It applies as much to Iggy as it does to Curry in the 2015 finals.

[PizzaSteve]

It was all narrative based and BS. For instance people were talking about how great Lebron played and many folks were pushing for Lebron to get it even in a losing situation. Here is the thing not only was Lebron not great in those finals he was pretty bad. His volume stats were great but that was only because he take a ton of shots. His efficiency in that series was terrible. If I remember correctly he shot around 40% from the floor.

But yeah Curry obviously should of won the fmvp in 2015 no question about it.

In his defense, he had to be a volume scorer and the warriors defense was superb (including Curry, who is an under appretiated defender and rebounder). It was still a great performance.

[Tim Kempton]

Iggy winning it over him was crazy. People trying to rewrite history and act like Steph wasnt disappointing is also crazy.

He had an abysmal game
A bad game
3 you'd expect out of a star (underperform for a superstar)
And 1 where he looked like an MVP

Most truthful post in this thread. This is not an example of revisionist history or anything like that. Looking at raw numbers, it seems astonishing that he lost to Iggy, but everyone - media and fans alike - were underwhelmed by his performance in that series. When you're a player the caliber of Steph, the expectations are going to be that much higher. 26/5/6 is nice... but not for Steph.

[ahmetmekin]

Still did not see a good argument for Iggy>Curry. Sorry, Curry had more impact and better numbers compared to Iggy. This is what FMVP should be about. Even if Curry played his B game and Iggy played his A game it does not mean that Iggy is more valuable or impactful and indeed it is really difficult to argue that.

[WarriorGM]

The person who won the FMVP that season was Warriors video coordinator Nick U'Ren. His involvement created a feel-good story that the media lapped up and ran with.

[Jay 20]

Still did not see a good argument for Iggy>Curry. Sorry, Curry had more impact and better numbers compared to Iggy. This is what FMVP should be about. Even if Curry played his B game and Iggy played his A game it does not mean that Iggy is more valuable or impactful and indeed it is really difficult to argue that.

Right, I agree.

Steph had a terrible game 2. Played great for 3 games in a row shooting 31-60 from the field and 18-33 from three. Then didn’t shoot it very well in the closing game from 3 (3-11) and had a so so 42.1% from the field. He had 25 points. So did Iggy.

That was the media’s chance to give it to Iggy and they did. If Curry shot over 50% from three for the 4th consecutive game and dropped 35-40 in game 6 instead of having same amount as Iggy he would have won. He didn’t so that left the door open to give it to Iggy.

[E-Balla]

To anyone confused the Iggy Finals MVP it was given because Lebron was 33% from the field guarded by Iggy and almost 50% against everyone else. His starting changed the whole series, and was the reason they won. Meanwhile Delly made Steph look bad.

So LeBron got shut down 1v1 vs Iggy and shot 33% didn't trust his teammates at all blew a 2-1 lead because he couldn't figure out Iggy. Someone Remind me why he received votes for fmvp

Because he was the clear best player in the series and dragging that cast to a 2-1 lead is spectacular.

[SlowPaced]

Okay. I've grown sick of making the same arguments about the 2015 FMVP over and over again, but I have discontent with the revisionist history. Steph could've won the FMVP, definitely has a legit argument for it. But it is absolutely not the robbery people are currently making it out to be. Iguodala was not undeserving of the FMVP.

The main reason Steph didn't win was because he was very underwhelming for most of the series. His great Game 5 performance salvaged his series averages. In the other five games, Steph averaged 23.8 PPG - 6.8 APG on 41.4% FG - 4.6 TO. Those are very underwhelming numbers, approaching 2016 NBA Finals territory. The voters did not want to reward an underwhelming performance overall and instead gave it to someone who performed far above expectations.

Iguodala's biggest argument was the job he did it on LeBron. The Cavs didn't have Kyrie or Love, containing LeBron was literally the only thing that mattered for them on defense and Iggy was the only one able to do it. He was killing everyone else. However, it's insincere to act like that was the only argument he had. Time after time in that series, Iggy came up big on offense while Steph and Klay were having difficulty. The amount of momentum swinging buckets Iggy had in that series is something I remember very clearly and I advice everyone to go back and watch the series again, paying attention to this point.

Again, Curry definitely has a case for FMVP in that series when you consider his offensive impact that goes beyond the numbers, and it is upsetting that he still doesn't have a FMVP, but him not winning is not nearly as egregious as it's made out to be.

[Johnny Firpo]

lebron was historically robbed that year (4 votes to iggy's 7). he'd probably decline the award anyway when it comes in a losing effort but he was the clear-cut best player in the finals that year and single-handedly won 2 games when the cavs were missing their 2nd and 3rd best player. curry has a good chance to get his first finals mvp now that lebron is out and durant is hobbled. watch out for draymond though.

Lebron shot under 40% lol

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He was also the only guy on the team who could create his own shot.

He still missed a crapton of makeable shots, and was the sole reason why the Cavs lost that final. I remember it like it was yesterday, it started like a year-long shooting slump for him, his three ball was completely gone, as well as his midrange game, two things he had dialed in during the 2012/2013 and 2013/2014 seasons. I understand that he did not have many help, but they were up 2-1 and LeBron just missed too many makeable shots in the remaining games that would have rewritten history. If he actually shoots better there, he could have ended up being the GOAT, which now seems likely.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Curry is never winning an NBA Finals even if he scored 50 ppg on 80% 3 pt

Nike is the main sponsor of NBA Finals. An Underarmour guy simply cant win it no matter the performance.

You know Draymond is winning MVP if the Warriors win it all.

And if he does he'll have a damn good argument for it. This isn't a conspiracy against Curry. For every single FMVP he didn't win, there was a great argument for the actual winner. They weren't exactly looking off Curry and giving it to Shaun Livingston now were they?

OT
It went to the right guy imo, but either way was not an "egregious robbery" or whatever hyperbole guys want to throw out. The last two finals KD was better and the voters got it right, however, they won, and that's all that Curry cares about if we're going off of his words. His pitch to KD was that he didn't give a crap about the individual awards, just about winning. Ergo he saw this coming; they all did. The media didn't do anything to Curry as much as he did to himself, but again, they're winning so he's happy. You guys should be happy too and stop trying to delegitimize an award that's been right like 98% of the time.

Bro, in 2017 60% of KD's buckets were assisted, and guess who was getting him those shots?

Curry not only gets defended by the superior defensive players, but he draws more double and triple teams. That opens up everything for everyone else.

Yeah, KD outscored Curry, but the impact his play and presence had is and was far more valuable.

You fools don't even realize that teams are trying to get KD to shoot the ball just so they can get the ball out of Currys hands

It's the same with Draymond. Everyone's getting hyped about how well he played against Portland, but they literally weren't defending him. Curry and Thompson are so good that good that they just let it happen.

Since Durant joined the Warriors:

Curry is +10.1 without Durant/Thompson/Green
Durant is +3.7 without Curry/Thompson/Green
Durant/Thompson/Green are +4.1 without Curry
Curry/Thompson/Green are +13.4 without Durant
The four together are +16.8

So yeah, I'll take the guy that draws all the defensive attention and makes his teammates better over the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options that are there benefiting from it.

[freethedevil]

the cavs outscored the warriors while lebron was on the court.

Take a guess who was "robbed"

[freethedevil]

Lebron shot under 40% lol

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He was also the only guy on the team who could create his own shot.

He still missed a crapton of makeable shots, and was the sole reason why the Cavs lost that final.

The cavs without kyrie or kevin love outscored the 66 win warriors while lebron was on the court and got demolished the second he came off.

This is a terrible take. Lebron was far and away the best player in that series.

Lebron's playmaking defence, and volume more than made up for his ineffiency.

[freethedevil]

LeBron was absolute TRASH his first two finals appearances man
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So we're gonna act like he hasn't played great in 7 different finals?

[Arteezy]

LeBron was absolute TRASH his first two finals appearances man
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So we're gonna act like he hasn't played great in 7 different finals?

4, actually.

2012, 13, 15 and 16.

[picc]

You're right other Finals MVPs are doubled and people recognize it and when a player still averages 26 and helps other teammates get open looks (he was 2nd in the entire series in assists to LBJ) due to his presence they usually win FMVP but Steph did not.

Ironically, this very fact is what should be your smoking gun that there were many more dynamics at play and this face value analysis is too limited.

But it wont be, will it?