Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[BobbieL]

I doubt Kawhi signs a long term deal in Toronto but u do think there's a chance he does a 1+1 and runs it back one more year. Gasol, Lowery, and ibaka all have 1 year left on their contacts so it does set up where he could want one more run with these guys then he can make his long-term decision the summer of 2020.

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Simmons tweeted something like this and it makes perfect sense. Except for Greene- who hasn’t been good - they would bring this team back. Van Vleet also would be expiring as well. Anunoby would be back. They would have money to sign a guy with the exception. Makes a lot of sense

[BobbieL]

I think if the Nets were to go to after Irving they wouldn’t really be interested in pairing DLo with him. I think that’s just the Nets saving face in case Irving doesn’t go there they can simply say DLo has always been the priority.
Though if it was true and they wanted to pair DLo with Irving, I assume they would attempt to trade Dinwiddie and the Suns should immediately be on that phone call.

Agree. If Kyrie goes to the Nets and they keep DLo - dinwiddie is a trade candidate.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think if the Nets were to go to after Irving they wouldn’t really be interested in pairing DLo with him. I think that’s just the Nets saving face in case Irving doesn’t go there they can simply say DLo has always been the priority.
Though if it was true and they wanted to pair DLo with Irving, I assume they would attempt to trade Dinwiddie and the Suns should immediately be on that phone call.

Agree. If Kyrie goes to the Nets and they keep DLo - dinwiddie is a trade candidate.

I don't think pairing Kyrie with DLo is that far fetched. Basketball wise it's not too different than pairing DLo and Booker. DLo is plenty big enough to guard 2s.

But yeah if they did it I suspect they would look to flip dinwiddie.

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[Saberestar]

I think if the Nets were to go to after Irving they wouldn’t really be interested in pairing DLo with him. I think that’s just the Nets saving face in case Irving doesn’t go there they can simply say DLo has always been the priority.
Though if it was true and they wanted to pair DLo with Irving, I assume they would attempt to trade Dinwiddie and the Suns should immediately be on that phone call.

Agree. If Kyrie goes to the Nets and they keep DLo - dinwiddie is a trade candidate.

There is not need to trade Dinwiddie. He is 6'6 and can play both positions...PG and SG.

They can start Kyrie and DLo together and Dinwiddie as a sixth man. Even all three together on the court for a few minutes per game.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think if the Nets were to go to after Irving they wouldn’t really be interested in pairing DLo with him. I think that’s just the Nets saving face in case Irving doesn’t go there they can simply say DLo has always been the priority.
Though if it was true and they wanted to pair DLo with Irving, I assume they would attempt to trade Dinwiddie and the Suns should immediately be on that phone call.

Agree. If Kyrie goes to the Nets and they keep DLo - dinwiddie is a trade candidate.

There is not need to trade Dinwiddie. He is 6'6 and can play both positions...PG and SG.

They can start Kyrie and DLo together and Dinwiddie as a sixth man. Even all three together on the court for a few minutes per game.

They certainly wouldn't have to deal dinwiddie but I think they might look to use him as an asset to land another big and balance out their roster a bit.

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[LukasBMW]

The Ayton for AD rumor is a hack writers clickbait article needed to hit his quota.

Monty already said the offense will run through Book and Ayton.

I wouldn't be shocked for us to take a shot at both KD and AD, but it won't involve Book or Ayton.

[BobbieL]

The Ayton for AD rumor is a hack writers clickbait article needed to hit his quota.

Monty already said the offense will run through Book and Ayton.

I wouldn't be shocked for us to take a shot at both KD and AD, but it won't involve Book or Ayton.

AD makes zero sense without an extension
KD will mean Oubre is renounced and maybe other guys traded but not like Anthony Davis

I still see smaller moves. Thad Young Or Mirotic. Maybe Aminu. PG - Collison Beverley or maybe Seth Curry to rotate with Tyler and Booker

[Kerrsed]

I think the league needs to push to ban 1 year contracts to players who have made the All-star list sometime over the past 2 seasons in the next CBA (Making it the past 2 seasons in case a player has a major injury and decided to sit for that year). Players that do that are pretty much holding the future of their current franchise hostage. Its bad because teams are afraid to make certain moves because they dont want to be stuck with guys if that star player leaves, and can help the GM plan what contracts to give to who for how long based upon how long that "Star" player is signed (Think of Lebron in Cleveland). It also jacks up the teams salary cap situation as the player is then able to keep getting a new max contract from his team after every season, which ends up costing the team more and more and more after every max contract as opposed to if he were to just sign a 2 or 3 year deal. Its bad for the teams and whats bad for the teams is bad for the league.

I think Kawhi stays in Toronto. He is the King of the North. I think its kinda rare (Outside of Lebron), where a team trades for a star and there is an immediate impact that lands them into the Finals. Usually there is a bit of growing pains, but the transition into Toronto has been seamless. Kawhi has no personality, but thats fine for Toronto, they love him just how he is and are ok with it, where if Kawhi were to go to say LA or NY, i dont think that would fly and he would be under more pressure. The Raptors are a great fit. I also dont think they let Lowery leave in FA. After all these years they final make it to the big dance, you dont break it up right away, just ask Dallas how that turns out. Lowery has been there through the thick and the thin, dont think they will do him dirty like that.

[Kerrsed]

As for the Nets stuff, Look, no team wants to let an All-star player just walk away. The ONLY way they do so is if They already land Irving and Durant informs them that he will sign with them if they can clear the room. Its letting an all-star walk for obtaining 2 higher quality all-stars. Look, everybody knows that an Irving/Russell tandem isnt going to be a great fit, but if they can get Irving and its a no go on Durant, they HAVE to keep Russell. They have to. Too much value there to just let him leave. You try to make it work, and if it doesnt, then you look to trade him later on for players that will fit. So of course they are talking up Russell and the possible pairing of the 2.

And Dinwiddie? Doesnt matter who they get, they arnt letting him go. He is a solid player on a great contract and will always have a role on that team as the back-up PG. With Irving and Russell as possible starters, you dont give up what would be one of the leagues top back-up PG's just because Irving/Russell can both play PG.

[bwgood77]

The Ayton for AD rumor is a hack writers clickbait article needed to hit his quota.

Monty already said the offense will run through Book and Ayton.

I wouldn't be shocked for us to take a shot at both KD and AD, but it won't involve Book or Ayton.

AD makes zero sense without an extension
KD will mean Oubre is renounced and maybe other guys traded but not like Anthony Davis

I still see smaller moves. Thad Young Or Mirotic. Maybe Aminu. PG - Collison Beverley or maybe Seth Curry to rotate with Tyler and Booker

I wonder what Mirotic's contract might look like. I imagine the Bucks won't try to keep him given he shot under 40% in the Raptors series and Bud didn't even play him in game 6.

Though I'd hate to sign him and have his shooting woes continue. He may be a little overrated as a shooter anyway. He's only gotten up to 38% shooting from 3 once and it was in his 2nd year. Was around league average this year with likely a lot of wide open shots.

[sunsbum]

The Ayton for AD rumor is a hack writers clickbait article needed to hit his quota.

Monty already said the offense will run through Book and Ayton.

I wouldn't be shocked for us to take a shot at both KD and AD, but it won't involve Book or Ayton.

AD makes zero sense without an extension
KD will mean Oubre is renounced and maybe other guys traded but not like Anthony Davis

I still see smaller moves. Thad Young Or Mirotic. Maybe Aminu. PG - Collison Beverley or maybe Seth Curry to rotate with Tyler and Booker

I wonder what Mirotic's contract might look like. I imagine the Bucks won't try to keep him given he shot under 40% in the Raptors series and Bud didn't even play him in game 6.

Though I'd hate to sign him and have his shooting woes continue. He may be a little overrated as a shooter anyway. He's only gotten up to 38% shooting from 3 once and it was in his 2nd year. Was around league average this year with likely a lot of wide open shots.

Every time I watch him it seems like he just chucks 3's out of nowhere.

[bwgood77]

As for the Nets stuff, Look, no team wants to let an All-star player just walk away. The ONLY way they do so is if They already land Irving and Durant informs them that he will sign with them if they can clear the room. Its letting an all-star walk for obtaining 2 higher quality all-stars. Look, everybody knows that an Irving/Russell tandem isnt going to be a great fit, but if they can get Irving and its a no go on Durant, they HAVE to keep Russell. They have to. Too much value there to just let him leave. You try to make it work, and if it doesnt, then you look to trade him later on for players that will fit. So of course they are talking up Russell and the possible pairing of the 2.

And Dinwiddie? Doesnt matter who they get, they arnt letting him go. He is a solid player on a great contract and will always have a role on that team as the back-up PG. With Irving and Russell as possible starters, you dont give up what would be one of the leagues top back-up PG's just because Irving/Russell can both play PG.

Yeah, was thinking earlier when people were saying to trade for Dinwiddie is that my guess is that they'd keep all 3 but if they did end up trading someone it might be Russell. I think they are very high on Dinwiddie.

But Kyrie and Russell apparently have a good relationship and played for the same coach in high school.

[jcsunsfan]

If Kyrie ends up with the Clips, we should try to pry Shamet away from them. That might be the plan. Watch for where Kyrie goes and then trade for the odd man out.

If he goes to the __________ try to get ____________.

Lakers, Ball
Clips, Shamet
Net, Russell or Dinwiddie
Knicks, DJJr

[BobbieL]

The Ayton for AD rumor is a hack writers clickbait article needed to hit his quota.

Monty already said the offense will run through Book and Ayton.

I wouldn't be shocked for us to take a shot at both KD and AD, but it won't involve Book or Ayton.

AD makes zero sense without an extension
KD will mean Oubre is renounced and maybe other guys traded but not like Anthony Davis

I still see smaller moves. Thad Young Or Mirotic. Maybe Aminu. PG - Collison Beverley or maybe Seth Curry to rotate with Tyler and Booker

I wonder what Mirotic's contract might look like. I imagine the Bucks won't try to keep him given he shot under 40% in the Raptors series and Bud didn't even play him in game 6.

Though I'd hate to sign him and have his shooting woes continue. He may be a little overrated as a shooter anyway. He's only gotten up to 38% shooting from 3 once and it was in his 2nd year. Was around league average this year with likely a lot of wide open shots.

The players the Suns might be in the market for might be the Tier 2 player. Aminu wasn’t great againstvGSW, Mirotic - concerns there with shooting ; Thad young

The guard being added - Collison Beverley Rubio, Seth Curry.

For me - what players can be added to 1) improve the team in general. 2) really improve Booker Ayton Oubre or Warren

[lilfishi22]

I think if the Nets were to go to after Irving they wouldn’t really be interested in pairing DLo with him. I think that’s just the Nets saving face in case Irving doesn’t go there they can simply say DLo has always been the priority.
Though if it was true and they wanted to pair DLo with Irving, I assume they would attempt to trade Dinwiddie and the Suns should immediately be on that phone call.

Agree. If Kyrie goes to the Nets and they keep DLo - dinwiddie is a trade candidate.

I think it makes more sense pairing Dinwiddie with Kyrie rather than DLo. For one, Dinwiddie's contract is likely better value than DLo's, his production, especially if he will be a 2nd (maybe 3rd option), is probably going to be a better match for his talent level.

DLo could be paid double the amount Dinwiddie is and in terms of on court value and production, I think Dinwiddie already lives up to his contract. Neither guys play much D, DLo is a better playmaker but that's not necessary next to Kyrie, DLo is a slightly better catch and shoot guy but you're not paying DLo $20m to be a catch and shoot guy. Dinwiddie is also more efficient, gets to the line more often and turns the ball over less.

I think they are more likely to S&T DLo than move Dinwiddie in favor of DLo. I think DLo has more potential and is more talented but in terms of production, I think Brooklyn just needs a guy to produce and do those complementary player things next to Kyrie/AD/KD.

[lilfishi22]

I think the league needs to push to ban 1 year contracts to players who have made the All-star list sometime over the past 2 seasons in the next CBA (Making it the past 2 seasons in case a player has a major injury and decided to sit for that year). Players that do that are pretty much holding the future of their current franchise hostage. Its bad because teams are afraid to make certain moves because they dont want to be stuck with guys if that star player leaves, and can help the GM plan what contracts to give to who for how long based upon how long that "Star" player is signed (Think of Lebron in Cleveland). It also jacks up the teams salary cap situation as the player is then able to keep getting a new max contract from his team after every season, which ends up costing the team more and more and more after every max contract as opposed to if he were to just sign a 2 or 3 year deal. Its bad for the teams and whats bad for the teams is bad for the league.

I think Kawhi stays in Toronto. He is the King of the North. I think its kinda rare (Outside of Lebron), where a team trades for a star and there is an immediate impact that lands them into the Finals. Usually there is a bit of growing pains, but the transition into Toronto has been seamless. Kawhi has no personality, but thats fine for Toronto, they love him just how he is and are ok with it, where if Kawhi were to go to say LA or NY, i dont think that would fly and he would be under more pressure. The Raptors are a great fit. I also dont think they let Lowery leave in FA. After all these years they final make it to the big dance, you dont break it up right away, just ask Dallas how that turns out. Lowery has been there through the thick and the thin, dont think they will do him dirty like that.

I think (and also hope) that he stays. Toronto isn't NY or LA but in terms of media market size and city population, Toronto is like #6 in among franchises in market size (behind NY/BKN, LA/LAC and CHI) and in terms of population size, it's the 3rd largest in NBA markets. I think Toronto has always gotten a bad rap among NBA players because it's not in America but if you want to be a star, there's few places better. Toronto has already full embraced Kawhi even though everyone knows he could walk, he's already the King in the North, he doesn't have to share the stardom with Lebron or KD or whoever else in LA. He's the lone star in a country of close to 40m people.

I think in terms of perception as well, Canadians and Torontonians would be far more grateful and would be significantly less critical for their superstar than if he was in LA, NY or one of those major markets which has a legacy and past superstar players to compare to. I think Kawhi just fits the personality of the people as well since he's more reserved.

I'm a bit biased because I love Toronto but if I was Kawhi, I really think there aren't many places better.

[bwgood77]

I think the league needs to push to ban 1 year contracts to players who have made the All-star list sometime over the past 2 seasons in the next CBA (Making it the past 2 seasons in case a player has a major injury and decided to sit for that year). Players that do that are pretty much holding the future of their current franchise hostage. Its bad because teams are afraid to make certain moves because they dont want to be stuck with guys if that star player leaves, and can help the GM plan what contracts to give to who for how long based upon how long that "Star" player is signed (Think of Lebron in Cleveland). It also jacks up the teams salary cap situation as the player is then able to keep getting a new max contract from his team after every season, which ends up costing the team more and more and more after every max contract as opposed to if he were to just sign a 2 or 3 year deal. Its bad for the teams and whats bad for the teams is bad for the league.

I think Kawhi stays in Toronto. He is the King of the North. I think its kinda rare (Outside of Lebron), where a team trades for a star and there is an immediate impact that lands them into the Finals. Usually there is a bit of growing pains, but the transition into Toronto has been seamless. Kawhi has no personality, but thats fine for Toronto, they love him just how he is and are ok with it, where if Kawhi were to go to say LA or NY, i dont think that would fly and he would be under more pressure. The Raptors are a great fit. I also dont think they let Lowery leave in FA. After all these years they final make it to the big dance, you dont break it up right away, just ask Dallas how that turns out. Lowery has been there through the thick and the thin, dont think they will do him dirty like that.

I think (and also hope) that he stays. Toronto isn't NY or LA but in terms of media market size and city population, Toronto is like #6 in among franchises in market size (behind NY/BKN, LA/LAC and CHI) and in terms of population size, it's the 3rd largest in NBA markets. I think Toronto has always gotten a bad rap among NBA players because it's not in America but if you want to be a star, there's few places better. Toronto has already full embraced Kawhi even though everyone knows he could walk, he's already the King in the North, he doesn't have to share the stardom with Lebron or KD or whoever else in LA. He's the lone star in a country of close to 40m people.

I think in terms of perception as well, Canadians and Torontonians would be far more grateful and would be significantly less critical for their superstar than if he was in LA, NY or one of those major markets which has a legacy and past superstar players to compare to. I think Kawhi just fits the personality of the people as well since he's more reserved.

I'm a bit biased because I love Toronto but if I was Kawhi, I really think there aren't many places better.

A lot of it really comes down to whether or not he really wants to be in LA just because that's where he wants to live. The guy grew up in LA and went to HS there and stayed close for college (went to SDSU even though he was 48th ranked in country and could have gone anywhere).....always had great weather, beaches nearby, etc. San Antonio isn't a great place necessarily but it's warm and fairly nice.

So this is his first year in a cold weather city ever. Now he may love Toronto and his teammates and want to stay but he seems like the kind of guy who will just do his own thing.

I hope he stays in Toronto (and hopefully most of the big names stay or go east) but I'd be a little surprised if he stayed over going to the Clippers or possibly even the Lakers. I think the Raptors may have a better chance than the Lakers because it kind of seems like these other stars don't want to play with LeBron but not sure if he grew up a big Lakers fan and dreamed of playing for them either. It could come down to something as simple as that. But the Clippers seem like the biggest threat to him leaving Toronto.

[King4Day]

I doubt Kawhi signs a long term deal in Toronto but u do think there's a chance he does a 1+1 and runs it back one more year. Gasol, Lowery, and ibaka all have 1 year left on their contacts so it does set up where he could want one more run with these guys then he can make his long-term decision the summer of 2020.

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If they lose this year, then Leonard should do this.
If they win, and he really wants out, I can't imagine any Raptors fan would be upset if he left (though he prob would want a crack at a repeat).

It really would be some story. Almost like a deal with the devil. Trade for a great player. He leads you to a championship, but the cost is he bails and you basically have to rebuild from ground up (or Siakam up).
Ask any Raptor fan and I'm sure they'd take it every day of the week as I know I would as a Suns fan.

[lilfishi22]

I think the league needs to push to ban 1 year contracts to players who have made the All-star list sometime over the past 2 seasons in the next CBA (Making it the past 2 seasons in case a player has a major injury and decided to sit for that year). Players that do that are pretty much holding the future of their current franchise hostage. Its bad because teams are afraid to make certain moves because they dont want to be stuck with guys if that star player leaves, and can help the GM plan what contracts to give to who for how long based upon how long that "Star" player is signed (Think of Lebron in Cleveland). It also jacks up the teams salary cap situation as the player is then able to keep getting a new max contract from his team after every season, which ends up costing the team more and more and more after every max contract as opposed to if he were to just sign a 2 or 3 year deal. Its bad for the teams and whats bad for the teams is bad for the league.

I think Kawhi stays in Toronto. He is the King of the North. I think its kinda rare (Outside of Lebron), where a team trades for a star and there is an immediate impact that lands them into the Finals. Usually there is a bit of growing pains, but the transition into Toronto has been seamless. Kawhi has no personality, but thats fine for Toronto, they love him just how he is and are ok with it, where if Kawhi were to go to say LA or NY, i dont think that would fly and he would be under more pressure. The Raptors are a great fit. I also dont think they let Lowery leave in FA. After all these years they final make it to the big dance, you dont break it up right away, just ask Dallas how that turns out. Lowery has been there through the thick and the thin, dont think they will do him dirty like that.

I think (and also hope) that he stays. Toronto isn't NY or LA but in terms of media market size and city population, Toronto is like #6 in among franchises in market size (behind NY/BKN, LA/LAC and CHI) and in terms of population size, it's the 3rd largest in NBA markets. I think Toronto has always gotten a bad rap among NBA players because it's not in America but if you want to be a star, there's few places better. Toronto has already full embraced Kawhi even though everyone knows he could walk, he's already the King in the North, he doesn't have to share the stardom with Lebron or KD or whoever else in LA. He's the lone star in a country of close to 40m people.

I think in terms of perception as well, Canadians and Torontonians would be far more grateful and would be significantly less critical for their superstar than if he was in LA, NY or one of those major markets which has a legacy and past superstar players to compare to. I think Kawhi just fits the personality of the people as well since he's more reserved.

I'm a bit biased because I love Toronto but if I was Kawhi, I really think there aren't many places better.

A lot of it really comes down to whether or not he really wants to be in LA just because that's where he wants to live. The guy grew up in LA and went to HS there and stayed close for college (went to SDSU even though he was 48th ranked in country and could have gone anywhere).....always had great weather, beaches nearby, etc. San Antonio isn't a great place necessarily but it's warm and fairly nice.

So this is his first year in a cold weather city ever. Now he may love Toronto and his teammates and want to stay but he seems like the kind of guy who will just do his own thing.

I hope he stays in Toronto (and hopefully most of the big names stay or go east) but I'd be a little surprised if he stayed over going to the Clippers or possibly even the Lakers. I think the Raptors may have a better chance than the Lakers because it kind of seems like these other stars don't want to play with LeBron but not sure if he grew up a big Lakers fan and dreamed of playing for them either. It could come down to something as simple as that. But the Clippers seem like the biggest threat to him leaving Toronto.

For sure where he wants to live will play a major part in his decision. He'll get all of the weather, media spotlight and being close to home in LA. Quite frankly, LAC much more so than LAL has built themselves a very nice team with a strong HC and strong front office to really lure in a big name free agent like himself. I would certainly have LA very high on my list if I had the same considerations and biases. It's going to be tough for Toronto to have all the same selling points. Who knows how he views being in Canada, having the freezing winters (4-6 months of the NBA season) and being far from home so I do think Toronto, even if they go far would still be a tough sell. I don't think he's really considering any other teams aside from LAC so they are really the only team that might have a leg up on Toronto. Having already been to the highest levels and won is another thing. Winning might not be the biggest factor anymore.

I agree with you, I still think the Clips is the most likely team and would probably take something like a close game 6 or game 7 loss to leave a bad enough taste in his mouth for him want to run it back with this crew. I think a win might be the only other thing that keeps him there.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The league will never ban 1+1 type deals, they love all the media attention they get talking about player movement. Plus if something like that was in place it would greatly decrease the chances kahwi would stay up in Toronto. Locking himself in there long term is a big risk from a basketball standpoint when you look at the age of a bunch of their core guys and considering it's hard to attract FAs once those contracts expire. But just looking at next season I think there's a practical basketball argument for him to stay because he'll have as good of a chance of winning there as any place else.

I'm not sure he cares much about legacy but staying even just one more year would make him a legend up there forever.

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