2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[taj2133]

Two guys who didn't have good workouts this past weekend kevin porter junior and kz okpala. Kevin Porter junior had bad workout with spurs and got shut down by michagan guard/forward charles matthews. KZ Okpala didn't have a good workout with the jazz yesterday there director of college scouting walt perrin said he looked scared to shoot.

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[GimmeDat]

I think KZ Okpala is largely fools gold, at least as far as it concerns people mocking him in the 1st round.

[taj2133]

I think KZ Okpala is largely fools gold, at least as far as it concerns people mocking him in the 1st round.

I think you are right about kz okpala i think he fools gold too, i think he probably be late first probably spurs if lucky they need a small forward.

[DanTown8587]

I’ll give you $100 for every guy you predict to be an all-star at least once but you have to give me $100 for every guy you don’t predict to be an all-star that ends up one and you have to give me $100 if you predict him to be an all-star and doesn’t end up one of its so easy to predict future value and upside. Can pick as many or few guys as you want.

Why would anyone agree to this? No matter the draft, the % chances of winning this bet is low.

So if the chances are so low, why do you know that Deandre Hunter is a low ceiling player? How does anyone truly know a player's "ceiling"? You can have an opinion on skills or ability but to mention ceilings is an impossible argument because not a person alive is able to predict it.

[kingkirk]

So if the chances are so low, why do you know that Deandre Hunter is a low ceiling player? How does anyone truly know a player's "ceiling"? You can have an opinion on skills or ability but to mention ceilings is an impossible argument because not a person alive is able to predict it.

It's not about absolutes. It's about probabilities. No one truly knows anything, but we have a good idea about it, depending on the player.

No one knows what DeAndre Hunter's actual ceiling is. It's reasonable to play the probabilities to project where it sits. Based on probabilities, it's highly unlikely that Hunter will exceed the commonly placed projections placed upon him.

[TheFinishSniper]

Been catching lamelo ball vids on YouTube lately.

He is 6'6 -6'7 now and added passing and dunking to his game. His spire team is also pretty good too .

It's entertaining to me because he is basically a pro baller playing in high school.
He is also kind of likable.

you have nothing better to do in your life than watching lamelo ball vids? that's sad. this is supposed to be a shot on lamelo as prospect rather than you.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

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I think Reddish goes before 7. Teams will have to choose between him and Culver, and they’ll love Cams potential.

I’m not anti-Cam. If the top 6 picks go like I expect, I’m #teamCam/Little. But if Cam and White go top 6, I will be on Cloud 9.

Agreed. If the Bulls are looking at either White or Cam, I think I’m choosing Cam. But that says more about my dislike of White.

[coldfish]

How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

[Red Larrivee]

Hunter shows more signs of what it takes for significant improvement:

- High efficiency
- Plus decision-making
- Value on both sides of the ball
- Increased his efficiency with the same usage
- High intangibles
- High roleplayer floor.

Hunter's upside is definitely being underrated by some.

[BigUps]

How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

For me, this is the worst case scenario. Unlike many, I am hoping for Coby White to drop to 7 for us. I'd be very happy with him as our pick. Plenty of upside and a relatively high floor as well. He just feels like the right guy to target after the lottery balls slapped us in the face.

However, keeping with your question, I'd take Hunter over Culver and I'd toss in Goga Bitazde as someone to consider if this is how the picks fall on draft night. Admittedly, I don't know enough about Goga outside of what the YouTube's and the internet tells me, but its enough for me as an amateur draft aficionado to consider him at 7.

I draft by BPA too. I don't care about roster fit. Thats just how I roll.

[SfBull]

Should be noted here DeAndre Hunter will turn 22 1st quarter of this upcoming Bulls season.

He is far older than the other prospects. He is a safe pick. Is that really want we want? A lower upside safe pick?

He will be 21 when he starts his rookie season. Both Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson are 21 during their rookie years.

There's nothing about DeAndre Hunter that guarantees him to be at best a role player. That's utter rubbish.

Others at best role players ( potentially) :Culver, Clarke,White,maybe Garland could be an exception.Even Barrett could evolve on a very good role player.I'm coming to the conclusion that this draft is really about just Zion and Morant.There is nothing on that list that guarantees any of these guys can be stars.

[coldfish]

How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

For me, this is the worst case scenario. Unlike many, I am hoping for Coby White to drop to 7 for us. I'd be very happy with him as our pick. Plenty of upside and a relatively high floor as well. He just feels like the right guy to target after the lottery balls slapped us in the face.

However, keeping with your question, I'd take Hunter over Culver and I'd toss in Goga Bitazde as someone to consider if this is how the picks fall on draft night. Admittedly, I don't know enough about Goga outside of what the YouTube's and the internet tells me, but its enough for me as an amateur draft aficionado to consider him at 7.

I draft by BPA too. I don't care about roster fit. Thats just how I roll.

Im weird on Coby White. I saw him play more than most prospects. I liked what I saw at times. That said, something just didn't click in my head with him to the point where I can't envision what he looks like in the NBA.

[sco]

At this point, I would prefer Garland (if we don't need to give up any real assets to get him i.e. Dunn, Val, Mem 2nd rounder). Then I can't easily choose between whose going to be the better pro between White, Hunter, Reddish or Culver and would be fine with any of them at 7.

I think strategically, we'd be better off not drafting White or Garland and using our limited FA firepower on a vet PG and grabbing a wing at 7. I'm still high on Tacko Fall at #38.

[othawhitemeat]

How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

I think he is too robotic to possibly be George, but
I can see a borderline all star type player.

[CoreyVillains]

Did a breakdown on St.John’s Shamorie Ponds. If we don’t go PG in round 1, Ponds is someone I’d look into. Excellent handle, underrated distributor who rarely turns the ball over, excellent defender with a fantastic steal rate(defensive vid coming soon), decent shooter who can get his own shot but needs to watch his shot selection at the next level, played in a multi-ball handler system at SJU. He’s a junior so he’ll be 21 at the start of next season, but I also feel he has a good NBA future if he lands in the right system.

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Nice breakdown...I checked out couple more videos of him. He's definitely a scoring PG and a guy you'll want to put in a 6th man roll. I like how he uses spin moves when attacking the basket. He looks like a slightly more efficient chucker than Blakeney, but I don't think I would pick him over Windler, Nowell, and Samanic at 38 if they're available.

He’s much more of a team player than Blakeney. He had a 29.2 assist % with a 10.3 to %. And he’ll D up his position, had a 4.1 steal %. But he does need to work on his shot selection a bit, but he was the number one guy on SJU, so I think he is smart enough to adjust based on his role in the NBA.

[BigUps]

How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

For me, this is the worst case scenario. Unlike many, I am hoping for Coby White to drop to 7 for us. I'd be very happy with him as our pick. Plenty of upside and a relatively high floor as well. He just feels like the right guy to target after the lottery balls slapped us in the face.

However, keeping with your question, I'd take Hunter over Culver and I'd toss in Goga Bitazde as someone to consider if this is how the picks fall on draft night. Admittedly, I don't know enough about Goga outside of what the YouTube's and the internet tells me, but its enough for me as an amateur draft aficionado to consider him at 7.

I draft by BPA too. I don't care about roster fit. Thats just how I roll.

Im weird on Coby White. I saw him play more than most prospects. I liked what I saw at times. That said, something just didn't click in my head with him to the point where I can't envision what he looks like in the NBA.

I don't think Roy Williams offensive system does much for any prospects. He's pretty much just a pace and space coach now days.

With that said, White has a little of everything in his game, which is why I like him. It could also be why its hard to figure out where he'd fit in the NBA though. I think we really need another player who can get off his own shot and White will be able to do that with his speed and solid handle. He also was able to kick the ball out plenty to Cam Johnson for open 3's which I could easily see being kickouts to Lauri.

My biggest concern with adding White would be where WCJ fits in, but again, I just don't care right now. The team needs talent, so just load up on BPA and let Boylen figure it out. I think White, LaVine and Lauri would be a really fun trio though.

[DanTown8587]

So if the chances are so low, why do you know that Deandre Hunter is a low ceiling player? How does anyone truly know a player's "ceiling"? You can have an opinion on skills or ability but to mention ceilings is an impossible argument because not a person alive is able to predict it.

It's not about absolutes. It's about probabilities. No one truly knows anything, but we have a good idea about it, depending on the player.

No one knows what DeAndre Hunter's actual ceiling is. It's reasonable to play the probabilities to project where it sits. Based on probabilities, it's highly unlikely that Hunter will exceed the commonly placed projections placed upon him.

Based on what? You speak with a tone to suggest your opinion is backed by data so back your opinion with data.

[Rose2Boozer]

Hunter played a nice cushy role on the best team in the country. I watched him and rarely came away all that impressed with him as an overall basketball player. Sure, he had a good efficient season, but will it translate to the pro game. I say no. He will get drafted by a team who will need him to do more than he's capable of doing. The results will more than likely result in a subpar rookie campaign.

DeAndre Hunter is the Mikal Bridges of this draft year. I wasn't high on Bridges and my opinion is the same about Hunter.

My top 6 has changed a little but not all that much.

Zion Williamson- Not getting him
Bol Bol
R.J Barrett- Not getting him
Ja Morant- Not getting him
Coby White
Darius Garland

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

How would you guys feel if it went like this?
1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Reddish
6. White

Get to pick between Culver and Hunter. I would take Hunter. I disagree with those completely dismissing him. I think his ceiling is Paul George and his floor is relatively high.

I said on lottery day that one of Garland, Culver or Hunter would be available at 7. I feel that more strongly right now, although my hopes of Garland have faded to almost zero.

I don’t see PG’s fluidity in Hunter, but I agree that his ceiling has been undersold and would be thrilled to take him at 7.

[DuckIII]

Bol lost a ton of weight while he was out with injury. Adding muscle was always going to have to be a priority. I'm not super concerned. He'll get stronger with some NBA training.

Not gonna lie, I wouldn’t touch Bol for Chicago. So call me biased, but I think this strongly supports the reports that Bol has a trash attitude and doesn’t really care about basketball. If he needs to add weight, how does he lose 20 lbs when he can’t play? It means he wasn’t doing a damn thing to build the other parts of his body when he had nothing but time and opportunity to do so.

Kid screams bust.

Unrelated note: thank mock is pretty bad.

I always hear about the bad attitude stories, and I don't put much stock in them.

It’s not that simple. There are reports of his bad attitude now coupled with an objectively observable scenario which strongly supports those reports. And this merges with several other reasons to not draft him (frame, fit, health and defense).