Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[DOT]

RJ HS was undefeated

He played for Duke

He Led Team Canada over Team USA with 38 pts and 15rebs

None of that really means much, plenty of guys are great at the high school level never pan out, and playing for Duke doesn't do anything for me. Okafor played for Duke, how's he doing?

Plus, citing his volume stats without mentioning his mediocre at best efficiency and lack of defense isn't a good argument

You are not very bright or intuitive

That's a personal attack

He’s as efficient as Culver

I have him rated higher than Culver. Culver's gonna be solid, but I don't think you want a Caris LeVert type with a 3rd overall pick. RJ's ceiling is much higher, but he's also a bigger risk, but that's what you go for with high picks

I'm just saying, he doesn't pop out to me as a great prospect

He's good, but he's not good, if that makes sense. I like him well enough, but any other year I wouldn't want to take him with a top 3 pick

[DOT]

RJ HS was undefeated

He played for Duke

He Led Team Canada over Team USA with 38 pts and 15rebs

None of that really means much, plenty of guys are great at the high school level never pan out, and playing for Duke doesn't do anything for me. Okafor played for Duke, how's he doing?

Plus, citing his volume stats without mentioning his mediocre at best efficiency and lack of defense isn't a good argument

You are not very bright or intuitive

That's a personal attack

Calling Knick Fans dumb and stans isnt a personal attack?

No it isn't. If he said you are dumb, that's a personal attack. Generalities like that are annoying, but not personal attacks. You specifically referred to him as being not very bright

[knickstape4ever]

If only having great athleticism for dunks was something i cared about from my point guard then i'd think we already had our starting point guard on the team. Unfortunately i need much more from my starting PG if we're gonna actually win.

https://t.co/bBxjkc14oF

Expecting a break out year next season. He has all the tools to be a star PG. It's great to see he's focused on shooting/conditioning. That's what he needs to work on the most.

agreed, DSJ has star potential. people are too quick to write off prospects after their 1st couple seasons. It takes time for guys to develop; Brooklyn is reaping the reward for D'Lo

A part of me doesn't want Kyrie (and would definitely prefer KD + Kawhi, tho it'll never happen) because I feel that DSJ can become a great PG and Kyrie does come with concerns (injuries, personality)

[HarthorneWingo]

Folks are too focused on Barrett's shooting. Him taking so many 3's, way too many 3's was due largely to the dynamics of the team. Duke was just pure ass in 3 point shooting. If you look for one offensive weakness it was guys that could shoot the 3. I believe Duke ranked 329 in the nation in 3 point percentage. That's just brutal. Now was their horrendous long range shooting a result of Barrett OR was Barrett shooting all those 3's because they had very little other options? If Duke had shooters then Barrett taking so many 3's can be a troubling sign. But the only guy on that roster that could remotely shoot was their 8th man on the depth chart (Alex O'Connell). Given that college coaches usually know a thing or two about basketball, it wasn't hard to defensively game plan for Duke. You force them to shoot 3's. But regardless of that and regardless of what team you have you can't all be trying to attack the rim. You have to spread the floor even if you have a guy like Williamson. Under ideal circumstances I don't think Barrett would have taken that many 3's and, as a result, his percentage likely would have been much better. Bottom line, stop just looking at isolated stats and making what may be unsound or unfair assumptions.

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Yooooooo where you been man? Great to see you back bro

Thanks. Glad to be back. Something was telling me it was time to come back. Sad that it was at the news of Mags passing.

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Welcome back, moo. And, yes, it is a good time.

I miss your old man jokes. shammgod's are getting old.

[islanders11040]

Convince me RJ is better than rookie Alonzo Trier.

Obviously age 19 vs 22, and height, at 6'7" vs 6'5", but convince me that RJ Barrett is a better player than Alonzo Trier showed himself to be as a rookie. Not seeing it. Eventually better? Sure. Better right now? I'd have to be convinced.

I see two players who are a somewhat ball dominant, who aggressively take it to the rim to score, who are scoring SG's with some PG vision but with tendencies to turn the ball over. Trier has the better jumper, better jumper off the dribble, better 3 point range and more adept with his off hand - his left, compared to RJ's right, which makes him even a more effective finisher than RJ, at the moment. Both have the tools to defend, but will drift on defense and do some dumb\disinterested stuff.

I'm still for drafting RJ, but I'm not penciling him in at starting SG like so many seem to want to do. Sure, Trier is 3/4 years older, but with that, he's just better. Right now. RJ probably comes off the bench behind him. If RJ isn't traded.

Drafting RJ isn't drafting a contribute now player, except off the bench. He's 19. Even he's a developmental pick.

Ready, begin.

I like how u make RJ a year older then he actually is and Trier a year younger then he actually is to help weaken the age argument ( RJ is 18/Trier is 23 and how it’s actually a 4/5 year age difference not 3/4). Ya I know RJ is almost 19 but I see what ur doing lol. May not seem huge but teenage years are huge years in terms of development. Trier was 4.5 years older then Barrett as rookies.

[Chanel Bomber]

Sometimes I think RJ could become similar to Kawhi or Jimmy offensively, and then the ghost of Cory Maggette crosses my mind and I shiver with fear. I still like Barrett's upside as a scoring/playmaking wing more than anyone else's right now but this draft is such a crapshoot after Zion.

[moocow007]

So here are possible "shooters" that the Knicks may want to look at.

Vince Carter
DeMarre Carroll
Nik Stauskas
Wesley Matthews
Patrick Beverley
Darren Collison
Jaymychal Green
Kentavious Caldwell Pope
Channing Frye
JJ Reddick
Marco Bellinelli


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[Chanel Bomber]

https://t.co/bBxjkc14oF

Expecting a break out year next season. He has all the tools to be a star PG. It's great to see he's focused on shooting/conditioning. That's what he needs to work on the most.

agreed, DSJ has star potential. people are too quick to write off prospects after their 1st couple seasons. It takes time for guys to develop; Brooklyn is reaping the reward for D'Lo

A part of me doesn't want Kyrie (and would definitely prefer KD + Kawhi, tho it'll never happen) because I feel that DSJ can become a great PG and Kyrie does come with concerns (injuries, personality)

I could see DSJ having a similar career path to Kyle Lowry. Hopefully he's still on the Knicks when he figures it out. The first priority is fixing that jumpshot, as is the case for most young players.

[taj2133]

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/05/27/rumor-coby-white-has-top-six-promise-in-draft/
Vanderbilt’s Darius Garland was rumored to get promised he’ll get drafted by a certain team.

He might not be the only point guard with a high-lottery promise.

North Carolina’s Coby White has also generated plenty of speculation.

K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune:

After meeting the media and interviewing with select teams, White left the combine with widespread speculation that he, too, has received a draft promise. Two league executives who spoke with the Tribune believe White’s promise is from a team that picks before the Bulls.

The Bulls have the No. 7 pick, so reviewing the six teams picking higher:

1. Pelicans

Zion Williamson is the obvious pick.

2. Grizzlies

They’re reportedly set on Ja Morant.

3. Knicks

This seems too high, with R.J. Barrett the consensus No. 3 prospect. I’d be open to picking White ahead of Barrett, but I definitely wouldn’t promise to do so this early in the process.

4. Lakers

The draft opens way up at this point. Count White among the viable prospects. But with Lonzo Ball already in Los Angeles, would the Lakers really lock into White this early?

5. Cavaliers

The Cavs already have Collin Sexton, who shouldn’t preclude them from drafting another point guard. But he probably does. He should at least make Cleveland less likely to promise White.

6. Suns

The Suns reportedly didn’t promise Garland. That makes them a prime suspect for the White promise. Phoenix badly needs a point guard.

One more theory: The Bulls promised White, and – especially with this report coming from Chicago – this is a smokescreen. They definitely could use another point guard.

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[awy]

im just puzzled by this sudden upsurge in RJ fandom. he has some chance of being a positive player, sure. but you need to squint pretty hard to see it.

if you factor in how he has been trained by the best trainers and in the best possible team hierarchies through all his life, that rate of improvement seems way off for someone you would project a big leap in the NBA. dude's trained with pro trainers for years and still can't shoot but think he's kobe.

that's not what you look for in a player unless you are RJ's agent trying to use the knicks for his guy's advantage.

[Thugger HBC]

im just puzzled by this sudden upsurge in RJ fandom. he has some chance of being a positive player, sure. but you need to squint pretty hard to see it.

Pretty sure RJ isn't only being touted by Knicks fans....lol

[god shammgod]

So here are possible "shooters" that the Knicks may want to look at.

Vince Carter
DeMarre Carroll
Nik Stauskas
Wesley Matthews
Patrick Beverley
Darren Collison
Jaymychal Green
Kentavious Caldwell Pope
Channing Frye
JJ Reddick
Marco Bellinelli


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well damn. welcome back.

[Fury]

im just puzzled by this sudden upsurge in RJ fandom. he has some chance of being a positive player, sure. but you need to squint pretty hard to see it.

if you factor in how he has been trained by the best trainers and in the best possible team hierarchies through all his life, that rate of improvement seems way off for someone you would project a big leap in the NBA. dude's trained with pro trainers for years and still can't shoot but think he's kobe.

that's not what you look for in a player unless you are RJ's agent trying to use the knicks for his guy's advantage.

This isn’t some surge. He was always going to be a top 3 pick. When the lotto happened, I made a thread with the idea that he was gonna be the 3rd pick before this “upsurge in fandom” took place, because he was already a consensus top 3 pick

[thebuzzardman]

Convince me RJ is better than rookie Alonzo Trier.

Obviously age 19 vs 22, and height, at 6'7" vs 6'5", but convince me that RJ Barrett is a better player than Alonzo Trier showed himself to be as a rookie. Not seeing it. Eventually better? Sure. Better right now? I'd have to be convinced.

I see two players who are a somewhat ball dominant, who aggressively take it to the rim to score, who are scoring SG's with some PG vision but with tendencies to turn the ball over. Trier has the better jumper, better jumper off the dribble, better 3 point range and more adept with his off hand - his left, compared to RJ's right, which makes him even a more effective finisher than RJ, at the moment. Both have the tools to defend, but will drift on defense and do some dumb\disinterested stuff.

I'm still for drafting RJ, but I'm not penciling him in at starting SG like so many seem to want to do. Sure, Trier is 3/4 years older, but with that, he's just better. Right now. RJ probably comes off the bench behind him. If RJ isn't traded.

Drafting RJ isn't drafting a contribute now player, except off the bench. He's 19. Even he's a developmental pick.

Ready, begin.

I like how u make RJ a year older then he actually is and Trier a year younger then he actually is to help weaken the age argument ( RJ is 18/Trier is 23 and how it’s actually a 4/5 year age difference not 3/4). Ya I know RJ is almost 19 but I see what ur doing lol. May not seem huge but teenage years are huge years in terms of development. Trier was 4.5 years older then Barrett as rookies.

I'm not "trying to do" anything with the ages. I already acknowledged in another post I was a little off in the age but also pointed out i was trying to adjust for when RJ is a rookie and when Trier was. Anyway, the original post even mention that RJ is younger and will get better, but who is better now. Way to miss the point.

[moocow007]

So here are possible "shooters" that the Knicks may want to look at.

Vince Carter
DeMarre Carroll
Nik Stauskas
Wesley Matthews
Patrick Beverley
Darren Collison
Jaymychal Green
Kentavious Caldwell Pope
Channing Frye
JJ Reddick
Marco Bellinelli


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well damn. welcome back.

Thanks. Good to be back. Mecca found me on Twitter. Felt it was time to come back.

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[F N 11]

[F N 11]

im just puzzled by this sudden upsurge in RJ fandom. he has some chance of being a positive player, sure. but you need to squint pretty hard to see it.

if you factor in how he has been trained by the best trainers and in the best possible team hierarchies through all his life, that rate of improvement seems way off for someone you would project a big leap in the NBA. dude's trained with pro trainers for years and still can't shoot but think he's kobe.

that's not what you look for in a player unless you are RJ's agent trying to use the knicks for his guy's advantage.

He’s 18 and has more success than a lot of adults he can still improve stop it. He’s not perfect but none of these damn prospects are perfect including Zion Williamson.

Since you know so much did you know he tweaked his jumpshot last summer? I love how y’all think guys are finished products at 18. Makes you sound very ignorant tbh.

[F N 11]

Knicks have no alphas but let’s skip over the only clear leader/Alpha. Dude was the leader over Zion period!! For some role player. Who would go in the second half of the lottery.

If any other team had the 3rd pick their wouldn’t be a discussion but this is the Knicks fan base. Take bpa and stop with all this trade down ish. Only team that should be talking trade down is the lakers.

I would think some teams especially Phoenix and Chicago would be having serious debate about who to draft at #3 with both of them giving serious consideration to taking D.Garland.

That’s because they are desperate for a point guard.

[knickstape4ever]

Knicks have no alphas but let’s skip over the only clear leader/Alpha. Dude was the leader over Zion period!! For some role player. Who would go in the second half of the lottery.

If any other team had the 3rd pick their wouldn’t be a discussion but this is the Knicks fan base. Take bpa and stop with all this trade down ish. Only team that should be talking trade down is the lakers.

I would think some teams especially Phoenix and Chicago would be having serious debate about who to draft at #3 with both of them giving serious consideration to taking D.Garland.

That’s because they are desperate for a point guard.

I'm wondering if they could be desperate enough to trade their 1st rounder for DSJ (+ maybe Frank); as much as I love DSJ and think he'll be a star, it seems like Kyrie is a very real possibility, which would make DSJ more expendable

[Thugger HBC]

A lot of this discourse reminds me of the year of the KP draft and how so many was just so sold on Mudiay as being the "pick".

Of course I'm not claiming RJ to be Mudiay at all, but just that this draft has a lot of options for the team to choose, which is probably why we are getting no real info on which direction they might go in other than speculation.