Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[alphagorilla]

TJ Warren + 6th pick S&T Brogdon (I want him bad)
Josh Jackson for Bjelica

Brogdon
Booker
Oubre
Bjelica
Ayton

Bridges of the bench

[Revived]

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Eh Collison is an atrocious defender and is also in his 30s which goes against the whole “ONLY PLAYERS IN THEIR 20s” thing that Gambo has been trying to shove down everyone’s throat.

[Fo-Real]

Om ok with Collison as a vet pg. The limited options and meager salary cap we have for such a role dont allow for us to dream much higher than that, kinda wish we had gone after George Hill when he was available.

[RunDogGun]

So why would Collison not return to Indy? He started all 76 games he played for them, and if they planned on giving the starting job to Joseph, wouldn't they have done that once Oladipo went down?

It just seems like we would have to make a great offer to him to want to make that move. We already have $19 mil into Johnson.

Now I am not saying we shouldn't look at Collison, but it just seems like we would have to pay more than he is probably worth to get him.

[darealjuice]

George Hill should be available in some capacity this offseason. Milwaukee will waive his non-guaranteed contract to reduce his cap hit from $20M to $2M. I’m sure they’ll want to keep him at a lower price after his playoff run, but he should be available.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So why would Collison not return to Indy? He started all 76 games he played for them, and if they planned on giving the starting job to Joseph, wouldn't they have done that once Oladipo went down?

It just seems like we would have to make a great offer to him to want to make that move. We already have $19 mil into Johnson.

Now I am not saying we shouldn't look at Collison, but it just seems like we would have to pay more than he is probably worth to get him.

I think they are a possible Conley destination.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

TJ Warren + 6th pick S&T Brogdon (I want him bad)
Josh Jackson for Bjelica

Brogdon
Booker
Oubre
Bjelica
Ayton

Bridges of the bench

The problem is FA is 10 days after the draft.

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[Saberestar]

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Eh Collison is an atrocious defender and is also in his 30s which goes against the whole “ONLY PLAYERS IN THEIR 20s” thing that Gambo has been trying to shove down everyone’s throat.

Collison an atrocious defender?

I do not think so, he is a good defender. He does not have good size, but he is tough and he puts a lot of pressure on the ball. Smart player too.

[Saberestar]

George Hill should be available in some capacity this offseason. Milwaukee will waive his non-guaranteed contract to reduce his cap hit from $20M to $2M. I’m sure they’ll want to keep him at a lower price after his playoff run, but he should be available.

Yeah, solid PG too, but I do not know if he is better than Collison. He is 33 years old.

I would prefer Collison or McConnell if we can not trade for a better one.

[sunsbg]

19 wins season combined with such low expectations for the draft and free agency. What a sad story following this team has become. Props to everybody still doing it. My only hope right now is for Booker and Ayton to improve dramatically as a combo and lead this team to something one can get excited about again.

[bwgood77]

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Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

[BobbieL]

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Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

BWG - you mentiond Colisson a long time ago

Week or somebody mentioned Aminu


Gambo must be reading this board as he has no more sources with the Suns

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

What do you expect? We're, like, 100 people spitballing. A lot of us only care about one sport. And plenty of us only care about one team within that sport.

I don't see how one of Collison or Cory Joseph doesn't bolt. Could we grab one? I can't imagine Joseph would turn down 3 years and a starting job if we offered it. Collison I think may require more money than we could offer without stretching Tyler. Why not target Tyus Jones or Delon Wright instead?

There's just a whole lot to think about here. If we have two vet PGs (including Tyler), we could have Elie develop behind them and perhaps earn a rotation spot by 2020-21. Having Elie and Melton here already, I have a hard time getting behind another PG-in-training at #6 unless we're pretty convinced. Personally, I have White ahead of Garland, primarily due to sample size, but secondarily due to size, personality, and well-roundedness.

If we grab White at #6, you gotta expect we would spend our FA money on another position. I can't get out of my head what James Jones said at the end of the season - that he wanted more toughness at the 4 spot next to Ayton. No matter which 4 you draft, you're probably not getting a lot of NBA-level toughness. So do you draft White and then focus on PFs in free agency? Problem is, there just aren't a whole lot of tough guys who may be available for the money we have.

Unless we go the trade route, my best guesses at the 4 would be Taj Gibson, Jonas Jerebko and Noah Vonleh. The rest of the players I might consider are somewhat outside of our $$$ range.

So, Draft White and sign Gibson/Jerebko/Vonleh? Or draft Clarke and sign Joseph/Seth/Tyus/McConnell/Rose/Ish/Beverley/Delon..... dang, there sure are a lot of capable PGs available in this summer's free agency, aren't there? Looks to me like the safer route to travel!!

[WeekapaugGroove]

19 wins season combined with such low expectations for the draft and free agency. What a sad story following this team has become. Props to everybody still doing it. My only hope right now is for Booker and Ayton to improve dramatically as a combo and lead this team to something one can get excited about again.

It will only make it that much sweeter for the fans left when they get good

What can anyone do though? Not like this draft can get better or they can magically hypnotize stars to sign here. Hope isn't lost, even bad drafts have good players and every year there are guys in FA that prove to be good gets even if they aren't splashy moves. Plus as you mentioned booker and ayton (and Bridges) taking a step is really the clearest path to improve.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

What do you expect? We're, like, 100 people spitballing. A lot of us only care about one sport. And plenty of us only care about one team within that sport.

I don't see how one of Collison or Cory Joseph doesn't bolt. Could we grab one? I can't imagine Joseph would turn down 3 years and a starting job if we offered it. Collison I think may require more money than we could offer without stretching Tyler. Why not target Tyus Jones or Delon Wright instead?

There's just a whole lot to think about here. If we have two vet PGs (including Tyler), we could have Elie develop behind them and perhaps earn a rotation spot by 2020-21. Having Elie and Melton here already, I have a hard time getting behind another PG-in-training at #6 unless we're pretty convinced. Personally, I have White ahead of Garland, primarily due to sample size, but secondarily due to size, personality, and well-roundedness.

If we grab White at #6, you gotta expect we would spend our FA money on another position. I can't get out of my head what James Jones said at the end of the season - that he wanted more toughness at the 4 spot next to Ayton. No matter which 4 you draft, you're probably not getting a lot of NBA-level toughness. So do you draft White and then focus on PFs in free agency? Problem is, there just aren't a whole lot of tough guys who may be available for the money we have.

Unless we go the trade route, my best guesses at the 4 would be Taj Gibson, Jonas Jerebko and Noah Vonleh. The rest of the players I might consider are somewhat outside of our $$$ range.

So, Draft White and sign Gibson/Jerebko/Vonleh? Or draft Clarke and sign Joseph/Seth/Tyus/McConnell/Rose/Ish/Beverley/Delon..... dang, there sure are a lot of capable PGs available in this summer's free agency, aren't there? Looks to me like the safer route to travel!!

Joseph is a guy they might be able to land on a cheap deal using the Biannual excemption or the room MLE. Do this after using cap space for a PF. He had a very poor end to last season and in this crowded PG market he could get left in the cold. Might make sense for him to sign a cheap 1 year deal in a place like Phoenix where he can get minutes and try to up his value for a weaker 2020 FA class.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

What do you expect? We're, like, 100 people spitballing. A lot of us only care about one sport. And plenty of us only care about one team within that sport.

I don't see how one of Collison or Cory Joseph doesn't bolt. Could we grab one? I can't imagine Joseph would turn down 3 years and a starting job if we offered it. Collison I think may require more money than we could offer without stretching Tyler. Why not target Tyus Jones or Delon Wright instead?

There's just a whole lot to think about here. If we have two vet PGs (including Tyler), we could have Elie develop behind them and perhaps earn a rotation spot by 2020-21. Having Elie and Melton here already, I have a hard time getting behind another PG-in-training at #6 unless we're pretty convinced. Personally, I have White ahead of Garland, primarily due to sample size, but secondarily due to size, personality, and well-roundedness.

If we grab White at #6, you gotta expect we would spend our FA money on another position. I can't get out of my head what James Jones said at the end of the season - that he wanted more toughness at the 4 spot next to Ayton. No matter which 4 you draft, you're probably not getting a lot of NBA-level toughness. So do you draft White and then focus on PFs in free agency? Problem is, there just aren't a whole lot of tough guys who may be available for the money we have.

Unless we go the trade route, my best guesses at the 4 would be Taj Gibson, Jonas Jerebko and Noah Vonleh. The rest of the players I might consider are somewhat outside of our $$$ range.

So, Draft White and sign Gibson/Jerebko/Vonleh? Or draft Clarke and sign Joseph/Seth/Tyus/McConnell/Rose/Ish/Beverley/Delon..... dang, there sure are a lot of capable PGs available in this summer's free agency, aren't there? Looks to me like the safer route to travel!!

Joseph is a guy they might be able to land on a cheap deal using the Biannual excemption or the room MLE. Do this after using cap space for a PF. He had a very poor end to last season and in this crowded PG market he could get left in the cold. Might make sense for him to sign a cheap 1 year deal in a place like Phoenix where he can get minutes and try to up his value for a weaker 2020 FA class.

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What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What do you expect? We're, like, 100 people spitballing. A lot of us only care about one sport. And plenty of us only care about one team within that sport.

I don't see how one of Collison or Cory Joseph doesn't bolt. Could we grab one? I can't imagine Joseph would turn down 3 years and a starting job if we offered it. Collison I think may require more money than we could offer without stretching Tyler. Why not target Tyus Jones or Delon Wright instead?

There's just a whole lot to think about here. If we have two vet PGs (including Tyler), we could have Elie develop behind them and perhaps earn a rotation spot by 2020-21. Having Elie and Melton here already, I have a hard time getting behind another PG-in-training at #6 unless we're pretty convinced. Personally, I have White ahead of Garland, primarily due to sample size, but secondarily due to size, personality, and well-roundedness.

If we grab White at #6, you gotta expect we would spend our FA money on another position. I can't get out of my head what James Jones said at the end of the season - that he wanted more toughness at the 4 spot next to Ayton. No matter which 4 you draft, you're probably not getting a lot of NBA-level toughness. So do you draft White and then focus on PFs in free agency? Problem is, there just aren't a whole lot of tough guys who may be available for the money we have.

Unless we go the trade route, my best guesses at the 4 would be Taj Gibson, Jonas Jerebko and Noah Vonleh. The rest of the players I might consider are somewhat outside of our $$$ range.

So, Draft White and sign Gibson/Jerebko/Vonleh? Or draft Clarke and sign Joseph/Seth/Tyus/McConnell/Rose/Ish/Beverley/Delon..... dang, there sure are a lot of capable PGs available in this summer's free agency, aren't there? Looks to me like the safer route to travel!!

Joseph is a guy they might be able to land on a cheap deal using the Biannual excemption or the room MLE. Do this after using cap space for a PF. He had a very poor end to last season and in this crowded PG market he could get left in the cold. Might make sense for him to sign a cheap 1 year deal in a place like Phoenix where he can get minutes and try to up his value for a weaker 2020 FA class.

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What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Joseph is a guy they might be able to land on a cheap deal using the Biannual excemption or the room MLE. Do this after using cap space for a PF. He had a very poor end to last season and in this crowded PG market he could get left in the cold. Might make sense for him to sign a cheap 1 year deal in a place like Phoenix where he can get minutes and try to up his value for a weaker 2020 FA class.

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What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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Love's contract is poison. I wouldn't try Tyler and TJ for him, no way.

... I didn't realize Aminu was only 28. I guess I'd consider it, but I'm not certainly not enthralled at the idea.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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Love's contract is poison. I wouldn't try Tyler and TJ for him, no way.

... I didn't realize Aminu was only 28. I guess I'd consider it, but I'm not certainly not enthralled at the idea.

It's really that last year of loves contract thats an issue since it would overlap with Ayton and Bridges possible extensions.

As I said, not my ideal move but just something that I haven't seen out there but I think could happen especially since JJ played with Love.

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[BobbieL]

Joseph is a guy they might be able to land on a cheap deal using the Biannual excemption or the room MLE. Do this after using cap space for a PF. He had a very poor end to last season and in this crowded PG market he could get left in the cold. Might make sense for him to sign a cheap 1 year deal in a place like Phoenix where he can get minutes and try to up his value for a weaker 2020 FA class.

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What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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I know Aminu didn't have the best series against the Warriors and at times, Zach Collins really became a key player for the Blazers - so I actually think Aminu will not be brought back to Portland. Granted, with their cap space - easier to bring back Aminu as they are over the cap than try to allocate his funds elsewhere. I wonder if they would want a S&T - granted, not sure Jackson or Warren fits the Blazers. But all they have is the 5.7m cap exception. With Leonard, Collins and Nurkic - they might want to bring back Hood more than Aminu.

With the history of Aminu with Bowers and Monty - I think today, I would say Aminu has the highest odds of being the Suns "4" next season

As for PG - Collison works, Beverley works and if going down to the next level, I would take Seth Curry over like TJ McConnel as Seth can shoot it.