Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Spud2nique]

Thanks for posting it in the proper location.

Its a no for me. I used to be a season ticket holder for the Wizards. Beal is one of my guys but I think Kevin could be close to him if not as good when it's all said and done.

Better shooting potential
Better range
Better court vision
Better potential for feel for the game

Defensively I think Beal will always have the edge and Beal should always be a better scorer but Kevin has more potential in areas that matter the most to Trae.

I really don't like adding #8 or #10 as well

Just not interested in moving Kevin

Fair enough. I'm banking on a known commodity vs potential, you're the exact opposite, hoping that Huerter can reach Beals level, and he just might. Only time will tell.

I agree with KingKen.
For where we are in our rebuild, I'm all aboard the potential (unless it's a top tier player) train.

It’s important not to skip steps.

-Schlenk

[gundysmullet]

Fair enough. I'm banking on a known commodity vs potential, you're the exact opposite, hoping that Huerter can reach Beals level, and he just might. Only time will tell.

I agree with KingKen.
For where we are in our rebuild, I'm all aboard the potential (unless it's a top tier player) train.

It’s important not to skip steps.

-Schlenk

Bradley Beal is the same ages Justin Anderson and Taurean Prince, I think we all assume he’s 33 because he came into the league and 19. No steps would be skipped by acquiring a top five shooting guard who’s only about to be 26.

[kg01]

I agree with KingKen.
For where we are in our rebuild, I'm all aboard the potential (unless it's a top tier player) train.

It’s important not to skip steps.

-Schlenk

Bradley Beal is the same ages Justin Anderson and Taurean Prince, I think we all assume he’s 33 because he came into the league and 19. No steps would be skipped by acquiring a top five shooting guard who’s only about to be 26.

Prince and Anderson are two guys most of us don't see as part of the longterm plan. Beal is already max-worthy but he's not a 'lead dog'. Us acquiring him would be the definition of skipping steps.

[gundysmullet]

It’s important not to skip steps.

-Schlenk

Bradley Beal is the same ages Justin Anderson and Taurean Prince, I think we all assume he’s 33 because he came into the league and 19. No steps would be skipped by acquiring a top five shooting guard who’s only about to be 26.

Prince and Anderson are two guys most of us don't see as part of the longterm plan. Beal is already max-worthy but he's not a 'lead dog'. Us acquiring him would be the definition of skipping steps.

Please elaborate, how so? How is acquiring a top-five shooting guard who is only about to turn 26 and pairing him up with one of if not the most dynamic young point guards in the league to form a phenomenal young backward “skipping steps”?

[kg01]

Bradley Beal is the same ages Justin Anderson and Taurean Prince, I think we all assume he’s 33 because he came into the league and 19. No steps would be skipped by acquiring a top five shooting guard who’s only about to be 26.

Prince and Anderson are two guys most of us don't see as part of the longterm plan. Beal is already max-worthy but he's not a 'lead dog'. Us acquiring him would be the definition of skipping steps.

Please elaborate, how so? How is acquiring a top-five shooting guard who is only about to turn 26 and pairing him up with one of if not the most dynamic young point guards in the league to form a phenomenal young backward “skipping steps”?

That'd be paying ECF money for 2nd round ceiling finishes.

By the time our young guys are ready to win, Beal will be a very expensive 2nd option.

[gundysmullet]

Prince and Anderson are two guys most of us don't see as part of the longterm plan. Beal is already max-worthy but he's not a 'lead dog'. Us acquiring him would be the definition of skipping steps.

Please elaborate, how so? How is acquiring a top-five shooting guard who is only about to turn 26 and pairing him up with one of if not the most dynamic young point guards in the league to form a phenomenal young backward “skipping steps”?

That'd be paying ECF money for 2nd round ceiling finishes.

By the time our young guys are ready to win, Beal will be a very expensive 2nd option.

A 2nd round finish would be phenomenal for next season. And he's only 25, not 35.

[kg01]

Please elaborate, how so? How is acquiring a top-five shooting guard who is only about to turn 26 and pairing him up with one of if not the most dynamic young point guards in the league to form a phenomenal young backward “skipping steps”?

That'd be paying ECF money for 2nd round ceiling finishes.

By the time our young guys are ready to win, Beal will be a very expensive 2nd option.

A 2nd round finish would be phenomenal for next season. And he's only 25, not 35.

Beal as our best, highest paid player is a return of the Joe Johnson era.

#EZPassLane

[gundysmullet]

That'd be paying ECF money for 2nd round ceiling finishes.

By the time our young guys are ready to win, Beal will be a very expensive 2nd option.

A 2nd round finish would be phenomenal for next season. And he's only 25, not 35.

Beal as our best, highest paid player is a return of the Joe Johnson era.

#EZPassLane

Please elaborate; i.e. who were the stud pg and PF on the Hawks when ISO Joe was 26? Also Beal averaged 5 apg this past season, how is he in any way like ISO Joe?

[EazyRoc]

8th pick, 10th pick, Kevin Huerter, Taurean Prince, and our 2020 pick (Top 5 protected) for Anthony Davis.

Why would New Orleans do this ?

They would get to save face and spite the Lakers, but more importantly trade him out of the conference. They get known commodities that should fit well around Zion and are still young. They can pick two more times in the lottery to rebuild their roster. They can move on from the AD drama and reset their culture with Zion as their leader. They get a 2020 pick from us next year.

Why do the Hawks do it ?

Anchor your defense with one of the best defensive players in the league. He fits well with what we have. He’s a capable lead dog scorer. He’s never played with a playmaker as good as Trae Young. He could potentially get us meetings with Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard. Jimmy Butler as a consolation prize. This would be a power move dependent upon whether or not we could sew up that SF position with an All Star caliber guy. That’s a championship contender in my eyes.

[jayu70]

8th pick, 10th pick, Kevin Huerter, Taurean Prince, and our 2020 pick (Top 5 protected) for Anthony Davis.

Why would New Orleans do this ?

They would get to save face and spite the Lakers, but more importantly trade him out of the conference. They get known commodities that should fit well around Zion and are still young. They can pick two more times in the lottery to rebuild their roster. They can move on from the AD drama and reset their culture with Zion as their leader. They get a 2020 pick from us next year.

Why do the Hawks do it ?

Anchor your defense with one of the best defensive players in the league. He fits well with what we have. He’s a capable lead dog scorer. He’s never played with a playmaker as good as Trae Young. He could potentially get us meetings with Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard. Jimmy Butler as a consolation prize. This would be a power move dependent upon whether or not we could sew up that SF position with an All Star caliber guy. That’s a championship contender in my eyes.

Pass.
That is too much without any guarantees from AD about resigning.
When has Davis recruited any star player to play with him?
If none of those guys sign here - AD won't stay.

[Night Traen]

8th pick, 10th pick, Kevin Huerter, Taurean Prince, and our 2020 pick (Top 5 protected) for Anthony Davis.

Why would New Orleans do this ?

They would get to save face and spite the Lakers, but more importantly trade him out of the conference. They get known commodities that should fit well around Zion and are still young. They can pick two more times in the lottery to rebuild their roster. They can move on from the AD drama and reset their culture with Zion as their leader. They get a 2020 pick from us next year.

Why do the Hawks do it ?

Anchor your defense with one of the best defensive players in the league. He fits well with what we have. He’s a capable lead dog scorer. He’s never played with a playmaker as good as Trae Young. He could potentially get us meetings with Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard. Jimmy Butler as a consolation prize. This would be a power move dependent upon whether or not we could sew up that SF position with an All Star caliber guy. That’s a championship contender in my eyes.

I'm team unibrow, no doubt. Minus Huerter and I do this all day, every day, 20 times a day...UNLESS Travy has Bols.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Would you guys do:

Alonzo Trier
For
Bembry, #35, future second?

Trier gives you a 3rd Guard who can score in a variety of ways. He gets to the rim, can score out of isolation, while still has a respectable 3 ball.

[kg01]

Would you guys do:

Alonzo Trier
For
Bembry, #35, future second?

Trier gives you a 3rd Guard who can score in a variety of ways. He gets to the rim, can score out of isolation, while still has a respectable 3 ball.

I actually like Trier but, for us, I have a feeling FrenchFrank would be a better target. We don't need more scoring ... well, I should say we need defensive presences more than we need another scorer.

[kg01]

Please elaborate, how so? How is acquiring a top-five shooting guard who is only about to turn 26 and pairing him up with one of if not the most dynamic young point guards in the league to form a phenomenal young backward “skipping steps”?

That'd be paying ECF money for 2nd round ceiling finishes.

By the time our young guys are ready to win, Beal will be a very expensive 2nd option.

A 2nd round finish would be phenomenal for next season. And he's only 25, not 35.

I'm not sure why my message isn't getting across. I like Beal. Even at 26, due to the salary he commands, us acquiring him would put a ceiling on what we would ultimately become. He's a good player, a very good player, but he is not a lead dog.

You cap yourself when you overpay a guy who's not a lead dog.

And I'm not saying next year would be a 2nd round ceiling. I'm saying our current core would be capped at a 2nd round ceiling in perpetuity if we were to acquire Beal. That is decidedly not phenomenal.

[jayu70]

Would you guys do:

Alonzo Trier
For
Bembry, #35, future second?

Trier gives you a 3rd Guard who can score in a variety of ways. He gets to the rim, can score out of isolation, while still has a respectable 3 ball.

I actually like Trier but, for us, I have a feeling FrenchFrank would be a better target. We don't need more scoring ... well, I should say we need defensive presences more than we need another scorer.

This! Hawks need Bembry's defense.
Plus that is too much for Trier.

I read Trier's teammates don't really like him. Consider him a ballhog - is that true?

[FutureKnicksGM]

Would you guys do:

Alonzo Trier
For
Bembry, #35, future second?

Trier gives you a 3rd Guard who can score in a variety of ways. He gets to the rim, can score out of isolation, while still has a respectable 3 ball.

I actually like Trier but, for us, I have a feeling FrenchFrank would be a better target. We don't need more scoring ... well, I should say we need defensive presences more than we need another scorer.

Yeah that's why NY would keep Frank as a 4th guard, with DSJ our 3rd guard creator to lead the bench (assuming we sign 2 max FA's).
I thought Trier could be the 1st guard off your bench, but doesn't look like a match.

[gundysmullet]

That'd be paying ECF money for 2nd round ceiling finishes.

By the time our young guys are ready to win, Beal will be a very expensive 2nd option.

A 2nd round finish would be phenomenal for next season. And he's only 25, not 35.

I'm not sure why my message isn't getting across. I like Beal. Even at 26, due to the salary he commands, us acquiring him would put a ceiling on what we would ultimately become. He's a good player, a very good player, but he is not a lead dog.

You cap yourself when you overpay a guy who's not a lead dog.

And I'm not saying next year would be a 2nd round ceiling. I'm saying our current core would be capped at a 2nd round ceiling in perpetuity if we were to acquire Beal. That is decidedly not phenomenal.

A. I'm not sure that he's not a lead dog, how many #2 guys put up 26/5/6? and B. If he's a not a "lead dog" he's one heck of a #2 guy, who are you gonna find that's better? And why are you saying that the current core would be "capped put"? Who decided that Shlenk wouldn't continue to tweak and build? he's still under his current contract for 2 more seasons. How is that any different than saying that this current roster would be "capped out"? I think it comes down to the fact that you feel Huerter and #10 can become as good as Beal eventually, and I do not. I also think subconsciously you think he's older than he really is due to coming into the league at 19, I too struggle to realize that he's only 25 about to turn 26 too despite knowing that.

[kg01]

A 2nd round finish would be phenomenal for next season. And he's only 25, not 35.

I'm not sure why my message isn't getting across. I like Beal. Even at 26, due to the salary he commands, us acquiring him would put a ceiling on what we would ultimately become. He's a good player, a very good player, but he is not a lead dog.

You cap yourself when you overpay a guy who's not a lead dog.

And I'm not saying next year would be a 2nd round ceiling. I'm saying our current core would be capped at a 2nd round ceiling in perpetuity if we were to acquire Beal. That is decidedly not phenomenal.

A. I'm not sure that he's not a lead dog, how many #2 guys put up 26/5/6? and B. If he's a not a "lead dog" he's one heck of a #2 guy, who are you gonna find that's better? And why are you saying that the current core would be "capped put"? Who decided that Shlenk wouldn't continue to tweak and build? he's still under his current contract for 2 more seasons. How is that any different than saying that this current roster would be "capped out"? I think it comes down to the fact that you feel Huerter and #10 can become as good as Beal eventually, and I do not. I also think subconsciously you think he's older than he really is due to coming into the league at 19, I too struggle to realize that he's only 25 about to turn 26 too despite knowing that.

It probably comes down to the bolded. I can see Huerter alone being as impactful as Beal. And on the 26/5/6 thing, somebody's gotta score/put up stats for bad teams.

I also think you think no one's aware of Beal's age. That's simply not true.

[gundysmullet]

I'm not sure why my message isn't getting across. I like Beal. Even at 26, due to the salary he commands, us acquiring him would put a ceiling on what we would ultimately become. He's a good player, a very good player, but he is not a lead dog.

You cap yourself when you overpay a guy who's not a lead dog.

And I'm not saying next year would be a 2nd round ceiling. I'm saying our current core would be capped at a 2nd round ceiling in perpetuity if we were to acquire Beal. That is decidedly not phenomenal.

A. I'm not sure that he's not a lead dog, how many #2 guys put up 26/5/6? and B. If he's a not a "lead dog" he's one heck of a #2 guy, who are you gonna find that's better? And why are you saying that the current core would be "capped put"? Who decided that Shlenk wouldn't continue to tweak and build? he's still under his current contract for 2 more seasons. How is that any different than saying that this current roster would be "capped out"? I think it comes down to the fact that you feel Huerter and #10 can become as good as Beal eventually, and I do not. I also think subconsciously you think he's older than he really is due to coming into the league at 19, I too struggle to realize that he's only 25 about to turn 26 too despite knowing that.

It probably comes down to the bolded. I can see Huerter alone being as impactful as Beal. And on the 26/5/6 thing, somebody's gotta score/put up stats for bad teams.

I also think you think no one's aware of Beal's age. That's simply not true.

Yeah, it comes down to how good you think Hurter can become. And let's not discount 1 season of emotional investment, that always plays a major part in how we analyze a scenario.

[kg01]

A. I'm not sure that he's not a lead dog, how many #2 guys put up 26/5/6? and B. If he's a not a "lead dog" he's one heck of a #2 guy, who are you gonna find that's better? And why are you saying that the current core would be "capped put"? Who decided that Shlenk wouldn't continue to tweak and build? he's still under his current contract for 2 more seasons. How is that any different than saying that this current roster would be "capped out"? I think it comes down to the fact that you feel Huerter and #10 can become as good as Beal eventually, and I do not. I also think subconsciously you think he's older than he really is due to coming into the league at 19, I too struggle to realize that he's only 25 about to turn 26 too despite knowing that.

It probably comes down to the bolded. I can see Huerter alone being as impactful as Beal. And on the 26/5/6 thing, somebody's gotta score/put up stats for bad teams.

I also think you think no one's aware of Beal's age. That's simply not true.

Yeah, it comes down to how good you think Hurter can become. And let's not discount 1 season of emotional investment, that always plays a major part in how we analyze a scenario.

Nah, I'm more savvy than that.