Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[2010]

3rd + DSJ for 4th + Lonzo

Grab Culver at 4

Lonzo/Culver/KD/Kawhi/Mitch

A man can dream

I threw up a little and I'm not even a fan of DSJ

I'd do that deal and take Reddish at 4 if knew for sure Kawhi was coming.

1: Ball
2: Reddish
3: Leonard
4: Durant
5: Robinson

No one could match our length and versatility. Help Lakers get AD, NOLA reunites Zion and RJ, and we get the best 2 max guys while keeping our young core intact for depth. Everyone wins! This is an excellent scenario.

[GONYK]

Agreed. The things that made Culver seem attractive, back when a lot of folks were consigning themselves to getting the 5th pick, was that at that spot, Culver was big guard, with some ability to run the offense and also a good court sense. Good all around offensive game, handle needed some work, played within a great college defense.

RJ has a lot of the positive attributes of Culver and some of the negative, in a clearly more explosive and athletic player. Tall SG capable of running the paint, can make good decisions on offense? Check. Crafty scoring? Check. Now, Culver I think shows some more variety in his scoring, a little more inventiveness, but it's not like RJ can't do that. Obviously RJ has some issues being so left hand dominant. Both have jumpers that could use some work. Both have handles that could use some work.

Culver is sort of an odd choice to want over RJ as, to me - and I could be wrong here - but they are similar ENOUGH - not the same, games aren't alike - that it's weird to pick Culver.

Also agree with your trade scenarios. Just take the best guy and if that's a player other teams want a few picks down, THEN trade him, get a player back the team views as just as good AND extract a pick/player etc from them in the process.

i've been big on culver since very early in the season. but i'm not taking him over RJ. barrett's upside intrigues me more. i do think culver is being underrated and will be one of this year's pleasant surprises. though he shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

Yeah, I like Culver and I'm not the biggest RJ fan, but you gotta swing for the fences at 3rd overall

I do think if the draft was after free agency and we signed KD and Kyrie, then Culver would be the much better fit and much safer option plus we wouldn't need high upside with two stars, but you can't assume they're both coming

In your opinion, what separates RJ as a prospect from someone like Mudiay?

I'm not trolling, but the strengths and weaknesses lineup pretty well.

Pros:

- Great pedigree
- Projected #1 pick coming out of HS
- Powerful builds
- Very good, but not elite athleticism
- Playmaking ability
- Real threat in transition
- Straight line penetration
- Scoring mentality

Cons:
- Inefficient
- Poor shooting
- Poor FT shooting
- Defensive effectiveness
- Inconsistent IQ
- Struggles in halfcourt

Not making a direct comparison, but I am trying to figure out what the key differentiator is.

[moocow007]

Culver for me is my least favorite in that Tier 3 group of prospects with Garland, Hunter and even Reddish. That lack of burst and inconsistent shooting could be a problem.

i get how all three of those players are more exciting than culver.

It's really not about excitement, it's about being able to successfully play at a level behooving a top 5 pick at the next level when you lack explosiveness, have shaky handles and the ability to create your own shot is in question. It's about trying to gauge how well a players game would translate at the next level. Reality is done players that look great in college can't make the transition to the NBA and live up to their draft expectations

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[taj2133]

3rd + DSJ for 4th + Lonzo

Grab Culver at 4

Lonzo/Culver/KD/Kawhi/Mitch

A man can dream

I threw up a little and I'm not even a fan of DSJ

I'd do that deal and take Reddish at 4 if knew for sure Kawhi was coming.

1: Ball
2: Reddish
3: Leonard
4: Durant
5: Robinson

No one could match our length and versatility. Help Lakers get AD, NOLA reunites Zion and RJ, and we get the best 2 max guys while keeping our young core intact for depth. Everyone wins! This is an excellent scenario.

The one thing about perry and mills there not going take a diva like lonzo bal,l to much off court drama can't handle the bright lights, and very immature kid has to many issues. I rather have i Frank Ntilikina no drama azz then lonzo drama azz ball and i am not fan
of Frank Ntilikina game. I would trade Frank Ntilikina for almost anybody but not lonzo ball to much of stupid kid with bad family worst than kp family drama.

[GONYK]

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Would rather see him shoot than hear him give some generic statement about how he's intrigued about the possibility of playing in NY.

[DOT]

i've been big on culver since very early in the season. but i'm not taking him over RJ. barrett's upside intrigues me more. i do think culver is being underrated and will be one of this year's pleasant surprises. though he shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

Yeah, I like Culver and I'm not the biggest RJ fan, but you gotta swing for the fences at 3rd overall

I do think if the draft was after free agency and we signed KD and Kyrie, then Culver would be the much better fit and much safer option plus we wouldn't need high upside with two stars, but you can't assume they're both coming

In your opinion, what separates RJ as a prospect from someone like Mudiay?

I'm not trolling, but the strengths and weaknesses lineup pretty well.

Pros:

- Great pedigree
- Projected #1 pick coming out of HS
- Powerful builds
- Very good, but not elite athleticism
- Playmaking ability
- Real threat in transition
- Straight line penetration
- Scoring mentality

Cons:
- Inefficient
- Poor shooting
- Poor FT shooting
- Defensive effectiveness
- Inconsistent IQ
- Struggles in halfcourt

Not making a direct comparison, but I am trying to figure out what the key differentiator is.

He's left handed /s

You're right there are a lot of similarities, but you gotta take a risk. Mudiay as a prospect was highly touted for a reason, someone with that build and playmaking ability puts it all together, that's a damn good player. Course it ain't always gonna pan out, mostly doesn't, but that's how it is. Plus I think functionally, RJ uses his athleticism a lot better and his height allows him to be more of a wing instead of having to play PG

I've said this quite a bit, but the thing holding Mudiay back is his inability to use his full athleticism in game, which I put to coordination. He looks significantly less athletic in game than he does in practice, which is also why I'm higher on DSJ than him. DSJ's rookie year he dunked 40 times, in 4 years Mudiay only has 43 total. I know that's not a perfect indicator of it and I can't find RJ's stats, but just watching him it looks like he knows how to use his body

Wouldn't be too mad with any of Garland, Hunter, or Culver honestly. Really only one I'd be not happy with is Reddish at 3, but I can see why they'd go with any of the other 3 or RJ

[DOT]

I threw up a little and I'm not even a fan of DSJ

I'd do that deal and take Reddish at 4 if knew for sure Kawhi was coming.

1: Ball
2: Reddish
3: Leonard
4: Durant
5: Robinson

No one could match our length and versatility. Help Lakers get AD, NOLA reunites Zion and RJ, and we get the best 2 max guys while keeping our young core intact for depth. Everyone wins! This is an excellent scenario.

The one thing about perry and mills there not going take a diva like lonzo bal,l to much off court drama can't handle the bright lights, and very immature kid has to many issues. I rather have i Frank Ntilikina no drama azz then lonzo drama azz ball and i am not fan
of Frank Ntilikina game. I would trade Frank Ntilikina for almost anybody but not lonzo ball to much of stupid kid with bad family worst than kp family drama.

Well that's just a bad take and super uninformed

Only argument you can make is his contract would be prohibitive, but you can throw Trier in there to make it come out even

I'd trade Frank for Lonzo without even having to think about it, you nuts?

[3toheadmelo]

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Would rather see him shoot than hear him give some generic statement about how he's intrigued about the possibility of playing in NY.

Me too. I was looking forward to his pro day smh

[thebuzzardman]

i've been big on culver since very early in the season. but i'm not taking him over RJ. barrett's upside intrigues me more. i do think culver is being underrated and will be one of this year's pleasant surprises. though he shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

Yeah, I like Culver and I'm not the biggest RJ fan, but you gotta swing for the fences at 3rd overall

I do think if the draft was after free agency and we signed KD and Kyrie, then Culver would be the much better fit and much safer option plus we wouldn't need high upside with two stars, but you can't assume they're both coming

In your opinion, what separates RJ as a prospect from someone like Mudiay?

I'm not trolling, but the strengths and weaknesses lineup pretty well.

Pros:

- Great pedigree
- Projected #1 pick coming out of HS
- Powerful builds
- Very good, but not elite athleticism
- Playmaking ability
- Real threat in transition
- Straight line penetration
- Scoring mentality

Cons:
- Inefficient
- Poor shooting
- Poor FT shooting
- Defensive effectiveness
- Inconsistent IQ
- Struggles in halfcourt

Not making a direct comparison, but I am trying to figure out what the key differentiator is.

RJ makes layups at a good clip and makes them without falling down and out of the play so the opposing guard is off to the races and scoring on the other end.

How'd I do?



* non snarky answer would be that RJ's athleticism seems to be more functional and balanced?

If RJ didn't have long strides and an extremely effective Euro step he finishes around the rim with a good deal of success, I'd be more scared of him as a prospect. Most of the guys in the top 10 need some kind of development. Maybe a few are more plug and play into an NBA role initially, though I can't say who, though Zion at the least would be an ultra role player MINIMUM and Garland seems like he'd come in and help any team with shooting. Not going to go through the full list.

[3toheadmelo]

Knicks having scouts out there for RJ and he ain’t even gonna work out lol

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[taj2133]

I'd do that deal and take Reddish at 4 if knew for sure Kawhi was coming.

1: Ball
2: Reddish
3: Leonard
4: Durant
5: Robinson

No one could match our length and versatility. Help Lakers get AD, NOLA reunites Zion and RJ, and we get the best 2 max guys while keeping our young core intact for depth. Everyone wins! This is an excellent scenario.

The one thing about perry and mills there not going take a diva like lonzo bal,l to much off court drama can't handle the bright lights, and very immature kid has to many issues. I rather have i Frank Ntilikina no drama azz then lonzo drama azz ball and i am not fan
of Frank Ntilikina game. I would trade Frank Ntilikina for almost anybody but not lonzo ball to much of stupid kid with bad family worst than kp family drama.

Well that's just a bad take and super uninformed

Only argument you can make is his contract would be prohibitive, but you can throw Trier in there to make it come out even

I'd trade Frank for Lonzo without even having to think about it, you nuts?

The one thing about frank is he doesn't cause drama lonzo and his dumb daddy lavar causes too much drama and lonzo can't control the people around. Lonzo circle of people he trust are bad people with bad intentions, lonzo can't even figure out how to get shoe contract let his daddy corrupt his mind and no shoe company wants to take change on lonzo ball, even lebron can't even get lonzo shoe deal with nike.

[GONYK]

Yeah, I like Culver and I'm not the biggest RJ fan, but you gotta swing for the fences at 3rd overall

I do think if the draft was after free agency and we signed KD and Kyrie, then Culver would be the much better fit and much safer option plus we wouldn't need high upside with two stars, but you can't assume they're both coming

In your opinion, what separates RJ as a prospect from someone like Mudiay?

I'm not trolling, but the strengths and weaknesses lineup pretty well.

Pros:

- Great pedigree
- Projected #1 pick coming out of HS
- Powerful builds
- Very good, but not elite athleticism
- Playmaking ability
- Real threat in transition
- Straight line penetration
- Scoring mentality

Cons:
- Inefficient
- Poor shooting
- Poor FT shooting
- Defensive effectiveness
- Inconsistent IQ
- Struggles in halfcourt

Not making a direct comparison, but I am trying to figure out what the key differentiator is.

RJ makes layups at a good clip and makes them without falling down and out of the play so the opposing guard is off to the races and

How'd I do?

RJ only shot 53% at the rim this past season, which would put him at exactly the same rate that Mudiay finished at the rim this season against NBA competition.

He did manage to land on his feet when he missed though

* non snarky answer would be that RJ's athleticism seems to be more functional and balanced?

If RJ didn't have long strides and an extremely effective Euro step he finishes around the rim with a good deal of success, I'd be more scared of him as a prospect. Most of the guys in the top 10 need some kind of development. Maybe a few are more plug and play into an NBA role initially, though I can't say who, though Zion at the least would be an ultra role player MINIMUM and Garland seems like he'd come in and help any team with shooting. Not going to go through the full list.

The functional athleticism is a solid answer, but I don't think there were any concerns about Mudiay's athleticism coming into the draft. All of this started when he hit NBA competition.

Hopefully, RJ's inconsistency at the rim is due more to having no right hand than it is Mudiay's disease.

[DOT]

The one thing about perry and mills there not going take a diva like lonzo bal,l to much off court drama can't handle the bright lights, and very immature kid has to many issues. I rather have i Frank Ntilikina no drama azz then lonzo drama azz ball and i am not fan
of Frank Ntilikina game. I would trade Frank Ntilikina for almost anybody but not lonzo ball to much of stupid kid with bad family worst than kp family drama.

Well that's just a bad take and super uninformed

Only argument you can make is his contract would be prohibitive, but you can throw Trier in there to make it come out even

I'd trade Frank for Lonzo without even having to think about it, you nuts?

The one thing about frank is he doesn't cause drama lonzo and his dumb daddy lavar causes too much drama and lonzo can't control the people around. Lonzo circle of people he trust are bad people with bad intentions, lonzo can't even figure out how to get shoe contract let his daddy corrupt his mind and no shoe company wants to take change on lonzo ball, even lebron can't even get lonzo shoe deal with nike.

Name me one time this year Lonzo or LaVar caused drama, or any time Lonzo's rookie year there was drama started by him and not his dad

[3toheadmelo]

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I thought this part was interesting. Did not know about this

Barrett may deserve more credit as a playmaker. While some NBA executives at the combine in Chicago dinged him for showing tunnel vision at Duke and not looking to pass off enough, he put up some high-level numbers. He’s second among freshmen in the last 10 years in points produced, behind Trae Young but ahead of Ben Simmons and John Wall. Only four freshmen in the last decade have had a higher assist percentage while also averaging at least 20 points per game.

One NBA assistant coach’s opinion:
“Good player. Should do well in the NBA.”

[Knicksfan1992]

i've been big on culver since very early in the season. but i'm not taking him over RJ. barrett's upside intrigues me more. i do think culver is being underrated and will be one of this year's pleasant surprises. though he shouldn't surprise anyone, really.

Yeah, I like Culver and I'm not the biggest RJ fan, but you gotta swing for the fences at 3rd overall

I do think if the draft was after free agency and we signed KD and Kyrie, then Culver would be the much better fit and much safer option plus we wouldn't need high upside with two stars, but you can't assume they're both coming

In your opinion, what separates RJ as a prospect from someone like Mudiay?

I'm not trolling, but the strengths and weaknesses lineup pretty well.

Pros:

- Great pedigree
- Projected #1 pick coming out of HS
- Powerful builds
- Very good, but not elite athleticism
- Playmaking ability
- Real threat in transition
- Straight line penetration
- Scoring mentality

Cons:
- Inefficient
- Poor shooting
- Poor FT shooting
- Defensive effectiveness
- Inconsistent IQ
- Struggles in halfcourt

Not making a direct comparison, but I am trying to figure out what the key differentiator is.

RJ's shooting mechanics are much better than Mudiay's at a similar age amongst other things that can't be tangibly found in raw production numbers (No hitch, very balanced off the catch and when set). I also don't think it's fair to say RJ struggled in half court offense for various reasons.... Also RJ pre-college had a reputation for being a great defender. Judging college players based on the effort they put on defense at that level is dubious to say the least... especially guards and wings who very often bear the weight of carrying the teams offensive load and the drop off in talent from starters to bench players is way more massive at the college level than at the NBA level generally. If RJ picked up 2 fouls in the first half Duke couldn't survive offensively without him especially when Tre Jones was out.

It's easy to look at production and say well this player is similar production-wise so they MUST have the same outcomes at the next level. That's not fair to RJ. It feels like this is a case of confirmation bias on you're part to find the least productive player who has a similar archetype because you're just not a fan of the type of player Barrett is. I can do the same thing with Derozan and RJ and say he's going to be an all star because Derozan became an all star with similar characteristics coming out of USC. It's disingenuous and why I somewhat hate player comparisons as anything more than just a frame of reference for how a player may translate.

[taj2133]

I'd do that deal and take Reddish at 4 if knew for sure Kawhi was coming.

1: Ball
2: Reddish
3: Leonard
4: Durant
5: Robinson

No one could match our length and versatility. Help Lakers get AD, NOLA reunites Zion and RJ, and we get the best 2 max guys while keeping our young core intact for depth. Everyone wins! This is an excellent scenario.

The one thing about perry and mills there not going take a diva like lonzo bal,l to much off court drama can't handle the bright lights, and very immature kid has to many issues. I rather have i Frank Ntilikina no drama azz then lonzo drama azz ball and i am not fan
of Frank Ntilikina game. I would trade Frank Ntilikina for almost anybody but not lonzo ball to much of stupid kid with bad family worst than kp family drama.

Well that's just a bad take and super uninformed

Only argument you can make is his contract would be prohibitive, but you can throw Trier in there to make it come out even

I'd trade Frank for Lonzo without even having to think about it, you nuts?

Also why do you think the lakers are most likey going to darius garland in next month draft if they have so called point guard of future lonzo ball. The lakers considering taking darius garland because he doesn't have drama, he is better prospect then lonzo ball and can shoot the ball better then lonzo ball. I am going leave at that, last comment on this subject before i get in trouble.

[DOT]

The one thing about perry and mills there not going take a diva like lonzo bal,l to much off court drama can't handle the bright lights, and very immature kid has to many issues. I rather have i Frank Ntilikina no drama azz then lonzo drama azz ball and i am not fan
of Frank Ntilikina game. I would trade Frank Ntilikina for almost anybody but not lonzo ball to much of stupid kid with bad family worst than kp family drama.

Well that's just a bad take and super uninformed

Only argument you can make is his contract would be prohibitive, but you can throw Trier in there to make it come out even

I'd trade Frank for Lonzo without even having to think about it, you nuts?

Also why do you think the lakers are most likey going to darius garland in next month draft if they have so called point guard of future lonzo ball. The lakers considering taking darius garland because he doesn't have drama, he is better prospect then lonzo ball and can shoot the ball better then lonzo ball. I am going leave at that, last comment on this subject before i get in trouble.

So, you can't name any drama started by Lonzo or LaVar this year, or any started by Lonzo his rookie year, and are just going off a preconceived opinion from 2 years ago

Got it

[taj2133]

Well that's just a bad take and super uninformed

Only argument you can make is his contract would be prohibitive, but you can throw Trier in there to make it come out even

I'd trade Frank for Lonzo without even having to think about it, you nuts?

Also why do you think the lakers are most likey going to darius garland in next month draft if they have so called point guard of future lonzo ball. The lakers considering taking darius garland because he doesn't have drama, he is better prospect then lonzo ball and can shoot the ball better then lonzo ball. I am going leave at that, last comment on this subject before i get in trouble.

So, you can't name any drama started by Lonzo or LaVar this year, or any started by Lonzo his rookie year, and are just going off a preconceived opinion from 2 years ago

Got it

that's drama this year by lavar ball and lonzo ball few clips for you.

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Would rather see him shoot than hear him give some generic statement about how he's intrigued about the possibility of playing in NY.

Bingo. You know it's going to be "Well, NY's the Mecca and it would be awesome to play there, but there are two teams drafting ahead of them and I'd be thrilled to play in those locations, or any location, as well"