Future Free Agent Thread

[Tom349]

Bob Myers on the difference between playoffs and regular season and what you need in the playoffs and what kind of players you need in the playoffs:

https://streamable.com/cpiqs

Hadn't seen this but glad you posted it as I think what he says applies a lot to the type of players DL has recruited. Guys like Rubio, O'Neale, Ingles, Gobert and Favors fit this description to a T. They all makes plays that don't always show up in the box score but are important nonetheless. Which someone like O'Neale can still yet improve his shooting considerably and Favors to a lesser extent, it is these improvements that are just as important as to whoever we draft, trade or pick up in FA. The key is replace players who are at their limits and won't take the next step and replace them with guys who are already at that next step or could be more likely to get there. Which is why I think the most likely and best move we can make is trading for Conley without giving up Favors (pretty sure we can do this, correct me if I am wrong). Conley is capable of doing all the things Rubio does but also shoots the ball far better, the extra 8 points a game he might give us could be all we need to as a team take the next step.

[CAE15]

Well, Bucks had a good run. But it isn't absolutely essential to them to keep all their guys anymore with the loss. That might open up one for us.

I think it is essential for them because their run is simultaneously just starting and potentially ending soon with Giannis as a FA next summer. If they cheap out on their roster, I feel like they should just start fielding offers right now for Giannis because you're showing him that you're willing to pay for the championship.

Having said that, I'm interested in Bledsoe. Yeah, he just put out a huge stinker. But the other guys we're looking at on that team weren't so hot either this series. Wonder if they'd do something like Bledsoe+Snell into our space.

I like Bledsoe too, not sure why we need to take on Snell too though as that would take us over the cap and I'm not sure we could still guarantee Favors next year. And it doesn't help the bucks any besides luxury tax, sure they would have cap but it's gone once they resign Middleton and Brogdon and they can't operate with it because of the cap holds. Unless they were going after a big fish, which I guess they could.

Sent from my SM-N950U using RealGM mobile app

[stitches]

Read on Twitter

I would guess Lamb falls in the same category...

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Great... 10M + the room MLE.

[Inigo Montoya]

That was depressing to read.

[Luigi]

But if they can land Harris, Walker, Russell, or Conley, they'd move Favors to do it. Sounds to me like they are going big (for the Jazz), and if they strike out, they replace Rubio with a smaller move and add a backup wing.

[KqWIN]

This is reality. Who are we targeting w/space ($14M) and who are we targeting with the taxpayer MLE ($5M)? All the higher coating options are pie in the sky, so let’s see some realistic plans.

[Luigi]

The first step is still to go for meetings with Harris, Walker, and Russell.

If/when we strikeout there, then we move on to step two with $14 and $5. Jones mentioned Ariza, and we'd need a point guard for 5. We could still move Favors + for Conley at that point.

[stitches]

This is reality. Who are we targeting w/space ($14M) and who are we targeting with the taxpayer MLE ($5M)? All the higher coating options are pie in the sky, so let’s see some realistic plans.

Rudy Gay.... Danny Green?

[Luigi]

JJ Redick would be interesting. Harrison Barnes might be an option. Terrence Ross. Patrick Beverly. Darren Collison.

And I still wonder what Paul Millsap will be looking at.

[Inigo Montoya]

This is reality. Who are we targeting w/space ($14M) and who are we targeting with the taxpayer MLE ($5M)? All the higher coating options are pie in the sky, so let’s see some realistic plans.

If the Jazz will take away even the possibility of landing a higher-tiered player by not expanding their cap space to allow them to do so and only play around with 14M+MLE, then I don't think there will be much left to say about them being content with the playoff treadmill. If that won't convince people that this is what is going on, nothing will.

[KqWIN]

Here's a short case for Jeremy Lamb:

- Still 26
- Comes from toxic franchise
- Plus usage scorer
- Never turns it over
- Decent play type numbers (57.1 Iso, 73.6 PnR, 64.4 Spot up)
- Strong impact metrics (73rd in RPM, 87th RAPM)
- Good rebounder (allows him to play small ball 4)

[KqWIN]

This is reality. Who are we targeting w/space ($14M) and who are we targeting with the taxpayer MLE ($5M)? All the higher coating options are pie in the sky, so let’s see some realistic plans.

If the Jazz will take away even the possibility of landing a higher-tiered player by not not expanding their cap space to allow them to do so and only play around with 14M+MLE, then I don't think there will be much left to say about them being content with the playoff treadmill. If that won't convince people that this is what is going on, nothing will.

There's two issues here. Firstly, they have to be willing to do what's necessary to sign a big FA. That includes waiving Favors and paying luxury tax later on. Secondly, and maybe more importantly is actually getting someone to sign here. They can want to sign someone and make a move but still be unable to do it.

[Inigo Montoya]

I can't see Lamb playing small ball 4, he doesn't have the body type for that--he's not a PJ Tucker or even Rudy Gay. I see him strictly as a 2-3 wing.

[KqWIN]

I can't see Lamb playing small ball 4, he doesn't have the body type for that--he's not a PJ Tucker or even Rudy Gay. I see him strictly as a 2-3 wing.

IMO, rebounding is what you have to worry about. It’s not as important to have a stronger guy who can defend against post ups. Lamb is a better rebounder than Jae, who provides no big man ability outside of being able to defend a post up.

Mitchell - Lamb - O’Neale - Ingles is just fine by me. Doesn’t matter who you call the 4.

[Inigo Montoya]

This is reality. Who are we targeting w/space ($14M) and who are we targeting with the taxpayer MLE ($5M)? All the higher coating options are pie in the sky, so let’s see some realistic plans.

If the Jazz will take away even the possibility of landing a higher-tiered player by not not expanding their cap space to allow them to do so and only play around with 14M+MLE, then I don't think there will be much left to say about them being content with the playoff treadmill. If that won't convince people that this is what is going on, nothing will.

There's two issues here. Firstly, they have to be willing to do what's necessary to sign a big FA. That includes waiving Favors and paying luxury tax later on. Secondly, and maybe more importantly is actually getting someone to sign here. They can want to sign someone and make a move but still be unable to do it.

All this is irrelevant if they don't have the cap space to sign someone in the first place. So yes, they need to want to sign someone and make a move, and maybe they'll try and fail. But they won't be able to even try and fail if they won't have the cap space to do so in the first place. So yes, that probably means waiving Favors or including him in some trade, but it looks like the Jazz keep doubling down on Favors, and as DL put it, see him as part of the solution and not part of the problem. It's kind of a bad way to put it--Favors being part of the problem, but hopefully the message gets across.

[KqWIN]

If the Jazz will take away even the possibility of landing a higher-tiered player by not not expanding their cap space to allow them to do so and only play around with 14M+MLE, then I don't think there will be much left to say about them being content with the playoff treadmill. If that won't convince people that this is what is going on, nothing will.

There's two issues here. Firstly, they have to be willing to do what's necessary to sign a big FA. That includes waiving Favors and paying luxury tax later on. Secondly, and maybe more importantly is actually getting someone to sign here. They can want to sign someone and make a move but still be unable to do it.

All this is irrelevant if they don't have the cap space to sign someone in the first place. So yes, they need to want to sign someone and make a move, and maybe they'll try and fail. But they won't be able to even try and fail if they won't have the cap space to do so in the first place. So yes, that probably means waiving Favors or including him in some trade, but it looks like the Jazz keep doubling down on Favors, and as DL put it, see him as part of the solution and not part of the problem. It's kind of a bad way to put it--Favors being part of the problem, but hopefully the message gets across.

Favors has a late guarantee date though. They can try and sign someone before they waive him. If Favors is back, it doesn’t mean we never tried.

Now, I would expect DL to brag about bringing Favors regardless of whether or not they tried to sign someone and failed. If he is back, the message will be that they never even thought about waiving him and that it’s a gigantic win to have him back.

[Inigo Montoya]

Favors has a late guarantee date though. They can try and sign someone before they waive him. If Favors is back, it doesn’t mean we never tried.

Now, I would expect DL to brag about bringing Favors regardless of whether or not they tried to sign someone and failed. If he is back, the message will be that they never even thought about waiving him and that it’s a gigantic win to have him back.

I may be wrong, Favors' salary still counts against the cap until the Jazz waive him. So they could talk about scenarios in which they'd waive Favors to create more space to make an offer to player X, but they won't actually be able to make an offer until they waive Favors.

[KqWIN]

Favors has a late guarantee date though. They can try and sign someone before they waive him. If Favors is back, it doesn’t mean we never tried.

Now, I would expect DL to brag about bringing Favors regardless of whether or not they tried to sign someone and failed. If he is back, the message will be that they never even thought about waiving him and that it’s a gigantic win to have him back.

I may be wrong, Favors' salary still counts against the cap until the Jazz waive him. So they could talk about scenarios in which they'd waive Favors to create more space to make an offer to player X, but they won't actually be able to make an offer until they waive Favors.

You don’t have to have the cap space to agree upon or offer up a deal. You just have to have the money when he officially signs. This is one of the reasons we have the moratorium. Favs isn’t guaranteed until the 5th or 6th of June, so the Jazz will have until then to try and get a max FA.

[stitches]

Here's a short case for Jeremy Lamb:

- Still 26
- Comes from toxic franchise
- Plus usage scorer
- Never turns it over
- Decent play type numbers (57.1 Iso, 73.6 PnR, 64.4 Spot up)
- Strong impact metrics (73rd in RPM, 87th RAPM)
- Good rebounder (allows him to play small ball 4)

They won't give up Favors for Lamb.

[KqWIN]

Here's a short case for Jeremy Lamb:

- Still 26
- Comes from toxic franchise
- Plus usage scorer
- Never turns it over
- Decent play type numbers (57.1 Iso, 73.6 PnR, 64.4 Spot up)
- Strong impact metrics (73rd in RPM, 87th RAPM)
- Good rebounder (allows him to play small ball 4)

They won't give up Favors for Lamb.

I don’t think they need to. For me, Lamb is the best strike out candidate.