2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[nomorezorro]

pretty cool that we've got the main guy that comes to mind when people are thinking about talented basketball players held back by their lack of court awareness

the reason i mentioned zach is because i was hammering rui, but i realized i've defended zach as a guy worth sticking with, hoping the (disappointingly slow/limited) progress he's shown on that front could mean he'll have a delayed development curve compared to a normal player. so, i guess in that regard, i shouldn't write off rui completely, especially because he picked up basketball relatively late (not to mention, uh, english).

still, it's hard to get enthusiastic about drafting a guy after seeing clips like this:

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[taj2133]

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[bearadonisdna]

Just finished watching duke vs mich in the elite 8.
Cam didn't start because of a hand fracture/ bone bruise. Coach k probably didn't go more than 3 minutes without cam because of an inauspicious start.

Cam was a stout defender.
Was hardly attacked in the 2nd half because they didn't have success in the 1st half.

Offensively-
When a team is reliant on a point guard for handling you are allocating a lot of time w/ the ball to a player that isn't particularly that threatening.

In a game like this every second that Jones had the ball and not Zion, Barrett, reddish was a win .

Reddish had limited opportunities, but not touches. A lot of touch and pass.

Would have to out the onus on the defense and cam wasn't a part of that. It's because duke wasn't able to keep MS and other smaller programs without any stars from getting buckets.

Not to be the comprehension police but I think you have inauspicious confused with auspicious.

in·aus·pi·cious
/ˌinôˈspiSHəs/
adjective
adjective: inauspicious

not conducive to success; unpromising.

It seems correct to me, Sir.
Lol.
Inauspicious ,as in not having success

[Ferulci]

i guesss there's a case to be made for rui as a late bloomer worth betting on considering his background, but still, he's got a lavine-esque ability to make you go "how is someone who is good at some basketball stuff so fundamentally awful at other, seemingly basic basketball stuff?"

That is really interesting that you mentioned Zach....I just read this about Rui.


Pacers PSA: Whatever you do, don’t draft Rui Hachimura
https://8points9seconds.com/2019/05/27/pacers-psa-rui-hachimura/

The major limiting factor for Rui Hachimura’s offensive game is his complete lack of feel for the game and slow overall processing.

Decision making is king in the NBA and is a key trait for everyone who is not an elite shot-maker or generational athlete to possess.

It is the trait limiting a supremely talented player like Zach LaVine from ever being as valuable as he could be.

Context matters.
From what I read, Hachimura started basketball at 13 in Japan ( without the US circuits). When he arrived at Gonzaga, his first year was about learning english.
Knowing that, and seeing the giant leaps he's been taking from one year to another, it's fair to assume that areas can be improved and are not about bad BBIQ. (like for Lavine for example)

[johnnyvann840]

Just finished watching duke vs mich in the elite 8.
Cam didn't start because of a hand fracture/ bone bruise. Coach k probably didn't go more than 3 minutes without cam because of an inauspicious start.

Cam was a stout defender.
Was hardly attacked in the 2nd half because they didn't have success in the 1st half.

Offensively-
When a team is reliant on a point guard for handling you are allocating a lot of time w/ the ball to a player that isn't particularly that threatening.

In a game like this every second that Jones had the ball and not Zion, Barrett, reddish was a win .

Reddish had limited opportunities, but not touches. A lot of touch and pass.

Would have to out the onus on the defense and cam wasn't a part of that. It's because duke wasn't able to keep MS and other smaller programs without any stars from getting buckets.

Not to be the comprehension police but I think you have inauspicious confused with auspicious.

in·aus·pi·cious
/ˌinôˈspiSHəs/
adjective
adjective: inauspicious

not conducive to success; unpromising.

It seems correct to me, Sir.
Lol.
Inauspicious ,as in not having success

I thought you meant the player not the team. Fair enough.

Anyway, you meant Michigan State not Michigan. And btw, Reddish was awful in that game. He was invisible.

[bearadonisdna]

the issue with Rui is that he is about the same age as zach

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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Two observations:

1. Garland’s promise has to be from the Lakers. Dude is too cozy with LeBron n nem.

2. THT’s lift on those dunks is a little concerning.

[taj2133]

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[panthermark]

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Two observations:

1. Garland’s promise has to be from the Lakers. Dude is too cozy with LeBron n nem.

2. THT’s lift on those dunks is a little concerning.

I was thinking the same thing.
Why is Garland with Bron scouting other players?

Dude barely got off the ground on that first dunk. It looked like a former athlete dunking at the Y.

[johnnyvann840]

the issue with Rui is that he is about the same age as zach

What are you talking about. He just turned 21 in Feb. Zach is going to be 25 this season. Rui is younger than Steph Curry was when he was a rookie.. or Klay Thompson. So many of the best players in the league came in at 21. The Bulls have done well when drafting guys like that too. Jo, Taj, Jimmy Butler. Joel Embiid was 22 when he finally played as a rookie.

People are just ridiculous with this age thing. I would much rather evaluate a player that has played a couple of seasons in college than play the guessing game with children with little experience in many cases. Like Hunter is the same age and he has shown that he improves his game year to year. With a lot of younger prospects it's more of a gamble betting that they are going to improve and develop and so many of them never do.

[bearadonisdna]

Not to be the comprehension police but I think you have inauspicious confused with auspicious.

in·aus·pi·cious
/ˌinôˈspiSHəs/
adjective
adjective: inauspicious

not conducive to success; unpromising.

It seems correct to me, Sir.
Lol.
Inauspicious ,as in not having success

I thought you meant the player not the team. Fair enough.

Anyway, you meant Michigan State not Michigan. And btw, Reddish was awful in that game. He was invisible.

He wasn't invisible to me but I was watching him all game.
Offensively he didn't do much but he didn't particularly hurt the team. Why, He barely had an any usage.
A hand injury may possibly give context to his poor percentages.

[taj2133]

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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Two observations:

1. Garland’s promise has to be from the Lakers. Dude is too cozy with LeBron n nem.

2. THT’s lift on those dunks is a little concerning.

I was thinking the same thing.
Why is Garland with Bron scouting other players?

Dude barely got off the ground on that first dunk. It looked like a former athlete dunking at the Y.

Haha, exactly.

I recently heard on a podcast that THT had something like 8 dunks all season. Not great!

[bearadonisdna]

the issue with Rui is that he is about the same age as zach

What are you talking about. He just turned 21 in Feb. Zach is going to be 25 this season. Rui is younger than Steph Curry was when he was a rookie.. or Klay Thompson. So many of the best players in the league came in at 21. The Bulls have done well when drafting guys like that too. Jo, Taj, Jimmy Butler. Joel Embiid was 22 when he finally played as a rookie.

People are just ridiculous with this age thing. I would much rather evaluate a player that has played a couple of seasons in college than play the guessing game with children with little experience in many cases. Like Hunter is the same age and he has shown that he improves his game year to year. With a lot of younger prospects it's more of a gamble betting that they are going to improve and develop and so many of them never do.

At the same time next year,
Feb 8th, Rui will be 22 and Zach will be 24.
Pretty damn close in age.
Not sure why you keep trying to police me.

[johnnyvann840]

It seems correct to me, Sir.
Lol.
Inauspicious ,as in not having success

I thought you meant the player not the team. Fair enough.

Anyway, you meant Michigan State not Michigan. And btw, Reddish was awful in that game. He was invisible.

He wasn't invisible to me but I was watching him all game.
Offensively he didn't do much but he didn't particularly hurt the team. Why, He barely had an any usage.
A hand injury may possible give context to his poor percentages.

Well, he didn't have that hand injury all season and his shooting percentages were abysmal so I'm not buying that. He also had two of the top five picks in the upcoming draft getting all of the defensive attention which should have made things easy for him. He has a ton of red flags. I wouldn't touch him in the top 8 of this draft and even past there he is a huge gamble. Looks the part, but doesn't play the part well at all.

Also, it's funny because I just watched the recap of that game and Jalen Rose just happened to use the same word I did about Reddish. "Invisible". And I did not see it when I wrote it. lol. Reddish has bust written all over him. I've been pretty solid at calling these kinds of things over the years. I might be wrong but I doubt it with him.

[johnnyvann840]

the issue with Rui is that he is about the same age as zach

What are you talking about. He just turned 21 in Feb. Zach is going to be 25 this season. Rui is younger than Steph Curry was when he was a rookie.. or Klay Thompson. So many of the best players in the league came in at 21. The Bulls have done well when drafting guys like that too. Jo, Taj, Jimmy Butler. Joel Embiid was 22 when he finally played as a rookie.

People are just ridiculous with this age thing. I would much rather evaluate a player that has played a couple of seasons in college than play the guessing game with children with little experience in many cases. Like Hunter is the same age and he has shown that he improves his game year to year. With a lot of younger prospects it's more of a gamble betting that they are going to improve and develop and so many of them never do.

At the same time next year,
Feb 8th, Rui will be 22 and Zach will be 24.
Pretty damn close in age.
Not sure why you keep trying to police me.

That is the most asinine thing I've heard about age. Come on man. They are actually separated by almost three full years (two years and eleven months). Just because Rui's b-day is in Feb and Zach in March there will only be a whole month when you can even say that garbage. I mean that is utter nonsense my friend. I'm not trying to police you, you just said several things that don't make much sense today.

[AKfanatic]

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Two observations:

1. Garland’s promise has to be from the Lakers. Dude is too cozy with LeBron n nem.

2. THT’s lift on those dunks is a little concerning.

I was thinking the same thing.
Why is Garland with Bron scouting other players?

Dude barely got off the ground on that first dunk. It looked like a former athlete dunking at the Y.

THT’s lift looked pretty bad there...


I think Garland has been the pretty obvious pick by LA. He will “fit” with Lebron much better than Ball, whom I really believe suffered a big hit to his growth by playing with James.

The biggest reason for the Lakers to play undecided right now is in attempt to act as though they have no interest in trading Ball, who’s day as a Laker were numbered the moment LBJ came to town.

I’d be really surprised if the Lakers don’t take Garland if he’s at 4.... unless the Pels want someone else at 4 and work a trade to LA for AD.

[MeloRoseNoah]

Garland looks like a fat slob on that video. Don’t want that dude on this team.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

It feels like there's always a nagging injury with Reddish. Cracked rib... bone bruise in his hand... apparently he strained his groin while dunking at his pro day...

Maybe he's just having a run of bad luck. It's adding up though. I have my Injury Proneness Microscope on that young man.

[johnnyvann840]

At the same time next year,
Feb 8th, Rui will be 22 and Zach will be 24.
Pretty damn close in age.
Not sure why you keep trying to police me.

Just think about that. THREE YEARS of separation. So, I suppose we can say the same thing about Rui and an 18 year old prospect, like right? Makes about as much sense. LOL.

Actually Cam Reddish and Rui are significantly closer in age than Zach and Rui. How's that?