Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[jcsunsfan]

TJ Warren + 6th pick S&T Brogdon (I want him bad)
Josh Jackson for Bjelica

Brogdon
Booker
Oubre
Bjelica
Ayton

Bridges of the bench

I would do this, but you have to give Milwaukee more incentive. They value Brogdon highly, the only reason they might let him go is because of the salary they have to pay to other players. We would have to take back bad salary, or give them picks or something instead of Warren.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

TJ Warren + 6th pick S&T Brogdon (I want him bad)
Josh Jackson for Bjelica

Brogdon
Booker
Oubre
Bjelica
Ayton

Bridges of the bench

I would do this, but you have to give Milwaukee more incentive. They value Brogdon highly, the only reason they might let him go is because of the salary they have to pay to other players. We would have to take back bad salary, or give them picks or something instead of Warren.

Bucks don't have bad salary (aside from Bled).

Is no one but Kerrsed interested in moneyballing this thing? Y'all just want whatever's shiniest out there? Think all our players suck because our team sucked?

This is why I can't hang around here too long these days.... I get grouchy.

[King4Day]

TJ Warren + 6th pick S&T Brogdon (I want him bad)
Josh Jackson for Bjelica

Brogdon
Booker
Oubre
Bjelica
Ayton

Bridges of the bench

I would do this, but you have to give Milwaukee more incentive. They value Brogdon highly, the only reason they might let him go is because of the salary they have to pay to other players. We would have to take back bad salary, or give them picks or something instead of Warren.

Bucks don't have bad salary (aside from Bled).

Is no one but Kerrsed interested in moneyballing this thing? Y'all just want whatever's shiniest out there? Think all our players suck because our team sucked?

This is why I can't hang around here too long these days.... I get grouchy.

Brogdon is the guy I'd be fine moving Warren and/or the 6th for.
Kemba too.

Beyond that, we'll have to accept this will be a slow burn back towards contention

[bwgood77]

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Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

BWG - you mentiond Colisson a long time ago

Week or somebody mentioned Aminu


Gambo must be reading this board as he has no more sources with the Suns

It's just funny...like a couple weeks ago Sidery mentioned Aminu as being an underrated target not talked about....and now Collison. But I somewhat get it...they hadn't talked about those guys on BSoTS.

Sam Cooper also brought up an old domestic battery incident about Collison today...hadn't known about that.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Brogdon is the guy I'd be fine moving Warren and/or the 6th for.
Kemba too.

Beyond that, we'll have to accept this will be a slow burn back towards contention

I don't remember the last time a team drafted a player in the lotto and then later that summer traded the player - let alone for a free agent. Can't deal the #6 for Brogdon on draft night.

Teams get contributors for low-$ deals every single year. That's what we should do. Trading TJ for Brogdon would be good, but only marginally so, because you're not adding a contributor, just replacing one for another. Bucks wouldn't do it anyways.

I'm sick of handing out big contracts to players coming off bargain deals for contenders. Find the bargain, like I did last year with Bertans. I screamed that name over and over and heard no echoes round here last summer.

I'm fine with Aminu at $5 mil per. He's just a dude. A stopgap. He's not a better player than TJ. I'm not even sure he'll better than Dragan in one or two year's time. We're just standing in a field of piss-yellow grass right now. Bah!

[bwgood77]

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Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

What do you expect? We're, like, 100 people spitballing. A lot of us only care about one sport. And plenty of us only care about one team within that sport.

It's what I expect. They are typically a little slower and behind things. We have been doing this for years so are on top of it, so we start early and typically repeat ourselves for months. It seems like time crawls by for us not being in the playoffs. We typically know we are out of it very early, like February or earlier, so we start talking about FA SO early that by May and June when most start thinking about it more we have practically beat every scenario to death...always nice to get new info though so hopefully we start to see/hear more about our draft workouts soon.

I don't see how one of Collison or Cory Joseph doesn't bolt. Could we grab one? I can't imagine Joseph would turn down 3 years and a starting job if we offered it. Collison I think may require more money than we could offer without stretching Tyler. Why not target Tyus Jones or Delon Wright instead?

There's just a whole lot to think about here. If we have two vet PGs (including Tyler), we could have Elie develop behind them and perhaps earn a rotation spot by 2020-21. Having Elie and Melton here already, I have a hard time getting behind another PG-in-training at #6 unless we're pretty convinced. Personally, I have White ahead of Garland, primarily due to sample size, but secondarily due to size, personality, and well-roundedness.

If we grab White at #6, you gotta expect we would spend our FA money on another position. I can't get out of my head what James Jones said at the end of the season - that he wanted more toughness at the 4 spot next to Ayton. No matter which 4 you draft, you're probably not getting a lot of NBA-level toughness. So do you draft White and then focus on PFs in free agency? Problem is, there just aren't a whole lot of tough guys who may be available for the money we have.

Unless we go the trade route, my best guesses at the 4 would be Taj Gibson, Jonas Jerebko and Noah Vonleh. The rest of the players I might consider are somewhat outside of our $$$ range.

So, Draft White and sign Gibson/Jerebko/Vonleh? Or draft Clarke and sign Joseph/Seth/Tyus/McConnell/Rose/Ish/Beverley/Delon..... dang, there sure are a lot of capable PGs available in this summer's free agency, aren't there? Looks to me like the safer route to travel!!

I think one of Collison or Joseph is gone. I had thought they would re-sign Collison but on their board, they don't seem to mention him as a must keep type of guy. But as successful as they were pre Dipo going down, I'm not sure they would be ready to hand the reigns to Holiday.

I think Joseph is a good backup on a good team. I was higher on him earlier but he's a pretty solid player.

I really have always liked Tyus Jones. I think there is little chance the TWolves don't match a reasonable offer though.

I don't see a real reason not to keep both Melton and Okobo at their cost unless some team really wants them and we draft AND sign additional PGs which is possible. There are arguments for both. Melton may be hard to keep after next year anyway and we hold control for less, but you could argue is more ready now than Okobo. Okobo is under very very cheap control for 3 years...the kind of young potential upside talent at a dirt cheap cost that is hard to come by. Melton is just as cheap but only for one more year possibly.

I didn't think they'd draft Clarke, but now I'm thinking the possibility has gone up. I know there are at least some in our FO who like him.

I don't necessarily think what we do in the draft should impact what we do in FA. There are not really any starters or maybe high minutes guys in our range that we should figure our for sure in the rotation in our range, if we plan on being competitive. Clarke would have the most chance due to current skills/iq, but probably moreso when Ayton is off the floor if neither has developed range.

Culver maybe though he did shrink some in big college games which scares me a bit of what he will do at the next level and his lack of shooting doesn't help. Though he was keyed in on by the other team so that was part of it.

[bwgood77]

Joseph is a guy they might be able to land on a cheap deal using the Biannual excemption or the room MLE. Do this after using cap space for a PF. He had a very poor end to last season and in this crowded PG market he could get left in the cold. Might make sense for him to sign a cheap 1 year deal in a place like Phoenix where he can get minutes and try to up his value for a weaker 2020 FA class.

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What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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I saw someone say Mirotic these playoffs look like he could go the way of Ryan Anderson in a couple years....though he's never even been as good of shooter as Anderson once was. He's only 3 years younger.

Kind sounded a little scary.

[bwgood77]

What PF would you target? Someone on my list, or one of the SF-turned-PFs like Thad Young, JaMychal Green or (barf) Aminu? Can't go after Mirotic, Randle or Millsap unless you stretch Tyler.

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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Love's contract is poison. I wouldn't try Tyler and TJ for him, no way.

... I didn't realize Aminu was only 28. I guess I'd consider it, but I'm not certainly not enthralled at the idea.

I'm not terribly high on Aminu but I came across a piece a while back that talked about who all he was tasked with guarding this year and how much trouble he gave them and it was pretty impressive.

[Waylay13]

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.
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God with his contract, health issues and age you better hope he can take you to a championship in the first year because if you dont you will never recover from it.

[Saberestar]

Just saw that...looks like they are good with talking about things like 3-4 months after we have here. Although I guess the talk continues a lot for 3-4 months.

What do you expect? We're, like, 100 people spitballing. A lot of us only care about one sport. And plenty of us only care about one team within that sport.

It's what I expect. They are typically a little slower and behind things. We have been doing this for years so are on top of it, so we start early and typically repeat ourselves for months. It seems like time crawls by for us not being in the playoffs. We typically know we are out of it very early, like February or earlier, so we start talking about FA SO early that by May and June when most start thinking about it more we have practically beat every scenario to death...always nice to get new info though so hopefully we start to see/hear more about our draft workouts soon.

I don't see how one of Collison or Cory Joseph doesn't bolt. Could we grab one? I can't imagine Joseph would turn down 3 years and a starting job if we offered it. Collison I think may require more money than we could offer without stretching Tyler. Why not target Tyus Jones or Delon Wright instead?

There's just a whole lot to think about here. If we have two vet PGs (including Tyler), we could have Elie develop behind them and perhaps earn a rotation spot by 2020-21. Having Elie and Melton here already, I have a hard time getting behind another PG-in-training at #6 unless we're pretty convinced. Personally, I have White ahead of Garland, primarily due to sample size, but secondarily due to size, personality, and well-roundedness.

If we grab White at #6, you gotta expect we would spend our FA money on another position. I can't get out of my head what James Jones said at the end of the season - that he wanted more toughness at the 4 spot next to Ayton. No matter which 4 you draft, you're probably not getting a lot of NBA-level toughness. So do you draft White and then focus on PFs in free agency? Problem is, there just aren't a whole lot of tough guys who may be available for the money we have.

Unless we go the trade route, my best guesses at the 4 would be Taj Gibson, Jonas Jerebko and Noah Vonleh. The rest of the players I might consider are somewhat outside of our $$$ range.

So, Draft White and sign Gibson/Jerebko/Vonleh? Or draft Clarke and sign Joseph/Seth/Tyus/McConnell/Rose/Ish/Beverley/Delon..... dang, there sure are a lot of capable PGs available in this summer's free agency, aren't there? Looks to me like the safer route to travel!!

I think one of Collison or Joseph is gone. I had thought they would re-sign Collison but on their board, they don't seem to mention him as a must keep type of guy. But as successful as they were pre Dipo going down, I'm not sure they would be ready to hand the reigns to Holiday.

I think Joseph is a good backup on a good team. I was higher on him earlier but he's a pretty solid player.

I really have always liked Tyus Jones. I think there is little chance the TWolves don't match a reasonable offer though.

I don't see a real reason not to keep both Melton and Okobo at their cost unless some team really wants them and we draft AND sign additional PGs which is possible. There are arguments for both. Melton may be hard to keep after next year anyway and we hold control for less, but you could argue is more ready now than Okobo. Okobo is under very very cheap control for 3 years...the kind of young potential upside talent at a dirt cheap cost that is hard to come by. Melton is just as cheap but only for one more year possibly.

I didn't think they'd draft Clarke, but now I'm thinking the possibility has gone up. I know there are at least some in our FO who like him.

I don't necessarily think what we do in the draft should impact what we do in FA. There are not really any starters or maybe high minutes guys in our range that we should figure our for sure in the rotation in our range, if we plan on being competitive. Clarke would have the most chance due to current skills/iq, but probably moreso when Ayton is off the floor if neither has developed range.

Culver maybe though he did shrink some in big college games which scares me a bit of what he will do at the next level and his lack of shooting doesn't help. Though he was keyed in on by the other team so that was part of it.

Some inside info?

[Wilber85]

Brogdon is an avg PG . Nothing special.

[BobbieL]

I'm an Aminu fan

I actually think after his disasterous post season mirotic might be closer to this range than you might think, he got straight DNP-CD last game.

It's kind of a hard question because I do think they make a trade that either clears some more cap space or brings back a vet PF.

On that note I'd say if JJ likes what Kevin love brings off the court it wouldn't completely shock me if the suns traded for him. He's not my favorite target by any means and their D would probably suck but he would address both rebounding and 3pt shooting two major problem areas. With his contract I doubt the package would be too steep probably something like Johnson, Warren, and a minor piece like okobo or 32.

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Love's contract is poison. I wouldn't try Tyler and TJ for him, no way.

... I didn't realize Aminu was only 28. I guess I'd consider it, but I'm not certainly not enthralled at the idea.

I'm not terribly high on Aminu but I came across a piece a while back that talked about who all he was tasked with guarded this year and how much trouble he gave them and it was pretty impressive.

I listened to part of the Woj podcast with Monty. Monty really wants to develop the right culture. I know Watson talked about this but see what happens with Williams. With that, I think this first year is about establishin a system and letting Booker and Ayton, Bridges too - start to grow as NBA players. Hence, a guy like Aminu, knows Williams, might makea lot of sense. Especially with his defense. The other guard position - Collison, Beverley - would be my top two choices.


Just ready for the season to be over so the draft and free agency can happen.

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Eh Collison is an atrocious defender and is also in his 30s which goes against the whole “ONLY PLAYERS IN THEIR 20s” thing that Gambo has been trying to shove down everyone’s throat.

Collison an atrocious defender?

I do not think so, he is a good defender. He does not have good size, but he is tough and he puts a lot of pressure on the ball. Smart player too.

He’s really not a good defender at all. He’s near Devin Booker level on that end.

Of course, the issue lies with the defensive end of the court. He has been able to overshadow his lack of defensive prowess during the earlier parts of the season through his highly efficient offensive production. However, he has a 108.5 defensive rating for the season and that is the second-worst among Indiana’s regular rotation players.

It gets worse for Collison when we start to look at his production from a more recent perspective. Since December 1, his offensive rating has dipped to a bit to 108.2 and his defensive rating has skyrocketed all the way up to 114.7, which leaves him with a -6.5 net rating. Darren has the team’s worst defensive rating over this span by a 5.0 margin and the worst net rating by a 1.5 margin.

It will be interesting to see if Collison can improve his impact as a defensive player because he is no longer producing on offense at a rate to overshadow it.

https://www.indianasportscoverage.com/bleacher-report-ranked-indiana-pacers-darren-collison-15th-best-point-guard/

He was pretty bad defensively with Sacramento as well. He’s been awful his whole career on that end, not like he just started being bad once he got older;

https://8points9seconds.com/2017/07/26/darren-collison-offense-defense/

I would pass unless he’s available for the vet minimum.

[Wilber85]

TJ Warren + 6th pick S&T Brogdon (I want him bad)
Josh Jackson for Bjelica

Brogdon
Booker
Oubre
Bjelica
Ayton

Bridges of the bench

I would do this, but you have to give Milwaukee more incentive. They value Brogdon highly, the only reason they might let him go is because of the salary they have to pay to other players. We would have to take back bad salary, or give them picks or something instead of Warren.

That team wins 20 games

[bwgood77]

Eh Collison is an atrocious defender and is also in his 30s which goes against the whole “ONLY PLAYERS IN THEIR 20s” thing that Gambo has been trying to shove down everyone’s throat.

Collison an atrocious defender?

I do not think so, he is a good defender. He does not have good size, but he is tough and he puts a lot of pressure on the ball. Smart player too.

He’s really not a good defender at all. He’s near Devin Booker level on that end.

Of course, the issue lies with the defensive end of the court. He has been able to overshadow his lack of defensive prowess during the earlier parts of the season through his highly efficient offensive production. However, he has a 108.5 defensive rating for the season and that is the second-worst among Indiana’s regular rotation players.

It gets worse for Collison when we start to look at his production from a more recent perspective. Since December 1, his offensive rating has dipped to a bit to 108.2 and his defensive rating has skyrocketed all the way up to 114.7, which leaves him with a -6.5 net rating. Darren has the team’s worst defensive rating over this span by a 5.0 margin and the worst net rating by a 1.5 margin.

It will be interesting to see if Collison can improve his impact as a defensive player because he is no longer producing on offense at a rate to overshadow it.

https://www.indianasportscoverage.com/bleacher-report-ranked-indiana-pacers-darren-collison-15th-best-point-guard/

He was pretty bad defensively with Sacramento as well. He’s been awful his whole career on that end, not like he just started being bad once he got older;

https://8points9seconds.com/2017/07/26/darren-collison-offense-defense/

I would pass unless he’s available for the vet minimum.

He's the worse defender in Indiana's rotation because they have a bunch of top tier defenders. A 108.5 defensive rating is still far better than any rotation player on our team. Holmes was the best at 111. Melton was 112.

He had a DRPM ranking one spot higher than Melton.

I wouldn't call Collison a good defender, but he's not bad, and he's better than a lot of other names, even higher profile ones people talk about. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1

But the main reasons he is brought up are for his great 3 pt shooting and great ast/to ratio. He's a smart player who doesn't make dumb mistakes and spreads the floor.

I'd rather have a big name but I'll take him any day over Rozier, Rubio and many of the other mid tier names in his likely price range we've talked about. Actually those guys might be more expensive despite not being as good outside of them being better defenders, but we desperately need a PG who can shoot.

[BobbieL]

Collison an atrocious defender?

I do not think so, he is a good defender. He does not have good size, but he is tough and he puts a lot of pressure on the ball. Smart player too.

He’s really not a good defender at all. He’s near Devin Booker level on that end.

Of course, the issue lies with the defensive end of the court. He has been able to overshadow his lack of defensive prowess during the earlier parts of the season through his highly efficient offensive production. However, he has a 108.5 defensive rating for the season and that is the second-worst among Indiana’s regular rotation players.

It gets worse for Collison when we start to look at his production from a more recent perspective. Since December 1, his offensive rating has dipped to a bit to 108.2 and his defensive rating has skyrocketed all the way up to 114.7, which leaves him with a -6.5 net rating. Darren has the team’s worst defensive rating over this span by a 5.0 margin and the worst net rating by a 1.5 margin.

It will be interesting to see if Collison can improve his impact as a defensive player because he is no longer producing on offense at a rate to overshadow it.

https://www.indianasportscoverage.com/bleacher-report-ranked-indiana-pacers-darren-collison-15th-best-point-guard/

He was pretty bad defensively with Sacramento as well. He’s been awful his whole career on that end, not like he just started being bad once he got older;

https://8points9seconds.com/2017/07/26/darren-collison-offense-defense/

I would pass unless he’s available for the vet minimum.

He's the worse defender in Indiana's rotation because they have a bunch of top tier defenders. A 108.5 defensive rating is still far better than any rotation player on our team. Holmes was the best at 111. Melton was 112.

He had a DRPM ranking one spot higher than Melton.

I wouldn't call Collison a good defender, but he's not bad, and he's better than a lot of other names, even higher profile ones people talk about. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1

But the main reasons he is brought up are for his great 3 pt shooting and great ast/to ratio. He's a smart player who doesn't make dumb mistakes and spreads the floor.

I'd rather have a big name but I'll take him any day over Rozier, Rubio and many of the other mid tier names in his likely price range we've talked about. Actually those guys might be more expensive despite not being as good outside of them being better defenders, but we desperately need a PG who can shoot.

I think if Jones/Williams deem that Tyler can be the starting PG - is why Seth Curry is intriguing. Not because the Suns get the "other brother" again - but because his shooting. 45% for his career, 43.9% this last season from three point line. With CJ and Dame - he didn't handle the ball so his assists were under 1.0 per game But the shooting. And if he plays defense againsgt everybody like he did his brother in the playoffs - would be a solid player.

[Saberestar]

He’s really not a good defender at all. He’s near Devin Booker level on that end.


He was pretty bad defensively with Sacramento as well. He’s been awful his whole career on that end, not like he just started being bad once he got older;

https://8points9seconds.com/2017/07/26/darren-collison-offense-defense/

I would pass unless he’s available for the vet minimum.

He's the worse defender in Indiana's rotation because they have a bunch of top tier defenders. A 108.5 defensive rating is still far better than any rotation player on our team. Holmes was the best at 111. Melton was 112.

He had a DRPM ranking one spot higher than Melton.

I wouldn't call Collison a good defender, but he's not bad, and he's better than a lot of other names, even higher profile ones people talk about. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1

But the main reasons he is brought up are for his great 3 pt shooting and great ast/to ratio. He's a smart player who doesn't make dumb mistakes and spreads the floor.

I'd rather have a big name but I'll take him any day over Rozier, Rubio and many of the other mid tier names in his likely price range we've talked about. Actually those guys might be more expensive despite not being as good outside of them being better defenders, but we desperately need a PG who can shoot.

I think if Jones/Williams deem that Tyler can be the starting PG - is why Seth Curry is intriguing. Not because the Suns get the "other brother" again - but because his shooting. 45% for his career, 43.9% this last season from three point line. With CJ and Dame - he didn't handle the ball so his assists were under 1.0 per game But the shooting. And if he plays defense againsgt everybody like he did his brother in the playoffs - would be a solid player.

Yeah, but Seth Curry is not a PG at all. He is a SG with a PG's body. He reminds me of Eddie House.

We need someone that can create a bit more with the ball in his hands, that can orchestrate some sets on offense and with good shooting from the perimeter.

Seth Curry would be nice replacing Crawford and/or Daniels...but he is gonna be too expensive for that backup role.

[BobbieL]

He's the worse defender in Indiana's rotation because they have a bunch of top tier defenders. A 108.5 defensive rating is still far better than any rotation player on our team. Holmes was the best at 111. Melton was 112.

He had a DRPM ranking one spot higher than Melton.

I wouldn't call Collison a good defender, but he's not bad, and he's better than a lot of other names, even higher profile ones people talk about. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1

But the main reasons he is brought up are for his great 3 pt shooting and great ast/to ratio. He's a smart player who doesn't make dumb mistakes and spreads the floor.

I'd rather have a big name but I'll take him any day over Rozier, Rubio and many of the other mid tier names in his likely price range we've talked about. Actually those guys might be more expensive despite not being as good outside of them being better defenders, but we desperately need a PG who can shoot.

I think if Jones/Williams deem that Tyler can be the starting PG - is why Seth Curry is intriguing. Not because the Suns get the "other brother" again - but because his shooting. 45% for his career, 43.9% this last season from three point line. With CJ and Dame - he didn't handle the ball so his assists were under 1.0 per game But the shooting. And if he plays defense againsgt everybody like he did his brother in the playoffs - would be a solid player.

Yeah, but Seth Curry is not a PG at all. He is a SG with a PG's body. He reminds me of Eddie House.

We need someone that can create a bit more with the ball in his hands, that can orchestrate some sets on offense and with good shooting from the perimeter.

Seth Curry would be nice replacing Crawford and/or Daniels...but he is gonna be too expensive for that backup role.

Good point about ability to create and orchestrate and offense - but his shooting % is pretty strong. Probably though need a more pure PG

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I wish Rudy Fernandez was 10 years younger. Blazers used him horribly and he would be perfect next to booker.

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I wish Rudy Fernandez was 10 years younger. Blazers used him horribly and he would be perfect next to booker.

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