Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[PhillyFan11]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

[youngcrev]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

You wouldn't rather have an overpaid Harris than Morris though?

[PhillyFan11]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

You wouldn't rather have an overpaid Harris than Morris though?

In a vacuum, of course. Harris is without a doubt a better player. But for me, it’s hard to deny that depth played a huge role in our playoff struggles. Maybe there is a way to keep Harris and still have adequate and proven depth, but I don’t see how. But then again, I’ve already admitted the nba salary cap is incredibly confusing, so may be easier than I’m thinking.
If we can keep Harris and Butler + JJ, + Scott and Ennis (or equivalent, doesn’t have to be these 2), + still sign a solid backup for Jo...then sure, absolutely do that. But like I said, seems extremely difficult to do. But if I can do all that, just with a poor man’s Harris in Morris, I would still feel very good going into the season.

[youngcrev]

Dedmon is the big that the Sixers need off the bench, they need someone that can shoot the three so that they can work with Simmons. You have to plan around the idea Embiid isn't going to play a full 82, and you want someone who could play starters minutes that fits with Simmons, that was the idea with Muscala it's just that he's basically a tweener big who isn't quick enough for PF and not strong enough for C.

Noel is a terrible fit with Simmons.

It would certainly be ideal to have someone that can shoot the 3 at center playing with Ben, but I wouldn't say it's completely necessary. Ben did well with Amir and 3 shooters in his rookie year. Priority #1 for me at backup center is defense/rim protection. Ben's at his best in transition and you've got to get stops to do that.

[PhillyPhilly]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

[PhillyFan11]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Explain to me how you’re upgrading JJ and keeping Harris. Or even if we let Harris walk, where are you getting a good 2 way guard + a starting 4 with $29M to spend in free agency?

[PhillyPhilly]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Explain to me how you’re upgrading JJ and keeping Harris. Or even if we let Harris walk, where are you getting a good 2 way guard + a starting 4 with $29M to spend in free agency?

By using the mle on KCP, Lamb, Ross, Beverley etc. There's no way In hell we should keep that back court the same when guard after guard were allowed to get off on us last season. We need an SG who can defend better imo.

[PhillyFan11]

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Explain to me how you’re upgrading JJ and keeping Harris. Or even if we let Harris walk, where are you getting a good 2 way guard + a starting 4 with $29M to spend in free agency?

By using the mle on KCP, Lamb, Ross, Beverley etc. There's no way In hell we should keep that back court the same when guard after guard were allowed to get off on us last season. We need an SG who can defend better imo.

I’m not arguing that an upgrade over JJ defensively would be big for the team...nor am I implying that I have all the answers on what the team should do this off season.

But with that said, I don’t think you could even get a meeting with Ross, Beverly, or Lamb if all we have to offer is the MLE. Again, not claiming to have any more info than you, but I just see too many teams with $ to spend. Someone will snatch up those 3 with more $ than we can offer. KCP? Sure, we could probably get him, but I don’t see what he brings to the team making any kind of impact.

Next year I hope we can limit JJ’s minutes 20-25 a night) and play Zhaire more as a “defensive replacement” of sorts. And maybe JJ would accept less than $11M a year, I was just trying to keep it as realistic as possible

[mhunt]

Is it even realistic to max (or near max) both Butler & Harris this offseason...and then Simmons next offseason? Are there teams with 4 max (or near max) guys on their roster?

[BullyKing]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

You wouldn't rather have an overpaid Harris than Morris though?

In a vacuum, of course. Harris is without a doubt a better player. But for me, it’s hard to deny that depth played a huge role in our playoff struggles. Maybe there is a way to keep Harris and still have adequate and proven depth, but I don’t see how. But then again, I’ve already admitted the nba salary cap is incredibly confusing, so may be easier than I’m thinking.
If we can keep Harris and Butler + JJ, + Scott and Ennis (or equivalent, doesn’t have to be these 2), + still sign a solid backup for Jo...then sure, absolutely do that. But like I said, seems extremely difficult to do. But if I can do all that, just with a poor man’s Harris in Morris, I would still feel very good going into the season.

But you haven't really improved our depth here - you subbed out Harris for Morris. Everything else we could still with Harris including splitting the MLE as you suggest.

[kriss73]

I'm not worried for 2019-2020 taxes in the "run it back" scenario: I think Brand will be able to field a competitive team without reaching the apron.
Even if we extend Simmons, I'm not too worried for the next 2 years either: we didn't cross the luxury line in zillion years, so it doesn't hurt.
Moreover Harris saved some money during the Process year: time to give it back to the fans.
But the 2022-2023 season is another history: Embiid will be in the last year of his contract and Butler/Harris in the fourth year. We'll be repeat offender so Harris' bill will be astronomic.
Did someone so the math in this scenario?

Unfortunately The Capulator stops in the 2021-2022 seasons.

[BullyKing]

I'm not worried for 2019-2020 taxes in the "run it back" scenario: I think Brand will be able to field a competitive team without reaching the apron.
Even if we extend Simmons, I'm not too worried for the next 2 years either: we didn't cross the luxury line in zillion years, so it doesn't hurt.
Moreover Harris saved some money during the Process year: time to give it back to the fans.
But the 2022-2023 season is another history: Embiid will be in the last year of his contract and Butler/Harris in the fourth year. We'll be repeat offender so Harris' bill will be astronomic.
Did someone so the math in this scenario?

Unfortunately The Capulator stops in the 2021-2022 seasons.

It's hard to predict that far out anyway. Cap will keep going up so the bill will be less and maybe the Harris or Butler contract is easily moveable when $38 million today is not the same thing against the cap then. But I'm with you. We saved a ton of money during the process years to the point where the NBA had to close loopholes that Hinkie found to save Harris money. Really no excuse for not spending it now.

[kriss73]

I'm not worried for 2019-2020 taxes in the "run it back" scenario: I think Brand will be able to field a competitive team without reaching the apron.
Even if we extend Simmons, I'm not too worried for the next 2 years either: we didn't cross the luxury line in zillion years, so it doesn't hurt.
Moreover Harris saved some money during the Process year: time to give it back to the fans.
But the 2022-2023 season is another history: Embiid will be in the last year of his contract and Butler/Harris in the fourth year. We'll be repeat offender so Harris' bill will be astronomic.
Did someone so the math in this scenario?

Unfortunately The Capulator stops in the 2021-2022 seasons.

It's hard to predict that far out anyway. Cap will keep going up so the bill will be less and maybe the Harris or Butler contract is easily moveable when $38 million today is not the same thing against the cap then. But I'm with you. We saved a ton of money during the process years to the point where the NBA had to close loopholes that Hinkie found to save Harris money. Really no excuse for not spending it now.

The value of Sixers' franchise skyrocketed since Harris bought the team...so I think he could spend more then what was ever spent by anyone, at least for a year (the 22-23 season).

But if I'm the owner, the deal breaker is to sign Harris or, more probably, Butler to a 4 yrs contract.
In that scenario, Butler (or Harris) will be a 38M expiring contract going into the 2022-2023 season....something that could be dumped in a way or another. as you pointed out.
But with both on a five yrs contract....well the combo of the 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 seasons could be a killer.

[sixers hoops]

Explain to me how you’re upgrading JJ and keeping Harris. Or even if we let Harris walk, where are you getting a good 2 way guard + a starting 4 with $29M to spend in free agency?

By using the mle on KCP, Lamb, Ross, Beverley etc. There's no way In hell we should keep that back court the same when guard after guard were allowed to get off on us last season. We need an SG who can defend better imo.

I’m not arguing that an upgrade over JJ defensively would be big for the team...nor am I implying that I have all the answers on what the team should do this off season.

But with that said, I don’t think you could even get a meeting with Ross, Beverly, or Lamb if all we have to offer is the MLE. Again, not claiming to have any more info than you, but I just see too many teams with $ to spend. Someone will snatch up those 3 with more $ than we can offer. KCP? Sure, we could probably get him, but I don’t see what he brings to the team making any kind of impact.

Next year I hope we can limit JJ’s minutes 20-25 a night) and play Zhaire more as a “defensive replacement” of sorts. And maybe JJ would accept less than $11M a year, I was just trying to keep it as realistic as possible

Beverly should get more than the midlevel. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if we can get the other two for the midlevel. It’s tough to project the market for a lot of these guys, but they could be offered somewhere in the ballpark of 4 years, 45 million to start for a contender. I think it’s realistic that an above midlevel offer doesn’t pan out for all of them.

[PhillyFan11]

You wouldn't rather have an overpaid Harris than Morris though?

In a vacuum, of course. Harris is without a doubt a better player. But for me, it’s hard to deny that depth played a huge role in our playoff struggles. Maybe there is a way to keep Harris and still have adequate and proven depth, but I don’t see how. But then again, I’ve already admitted the nba salary cap is incredibly confusing, so may be easier than I’m thinking.
If we can keep Harris and Butler + JJ, + Scott and Ennis (or equivalent, doesn’t have to be these 2), + still sign a solid backup for Jo...then sure, absolutely do that. But like I said, seems extremely difficult to do. But if I can do all that, just with a poor man’s Harris in Morris, I would still feel very good going into the season.

But you haven't really improved our depth here - you subbed out Harris for Morris. Everything else we could still with Harris including splitting the MLE as you suggest.

Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I understand it is:

Resigning both Butler and Harris = 0 cap $ left.

Even if you can get JJ and Ennis split under the MLE (doesn’t seem likely to me, not enough $), where is the $ for Scott and the much needed backup C coming from?

Like I said earlier, IF it can be done, by all means go for it. I’m just having a hard time understanding how it can be done. And if it means downgrading our 3rd/4th scoring option down to only Marcus Morris to do so then I’m fine with it. Maybe I also like Morris more than most. I think the toughness and experience he brings would be an asset to what we have. But obviously Harris is the superior player, not arguing that.

[BullyKing]

In a vacuum, of course. Harris is without a doubt a better player. But for me, it’s hard to deny that depth played a huge role in our playoff struggles. Maybe there is a way to keep Harris and still have adequate and proven depth, but I don’t see how. But then again, I’ve already admitted the nba salary cap is incredibly confusing, so may be easier than I’m thinking.
If we can keep Harris and Butler + JJ, + Scott and Ennis (or equivalent, doesn’t have to be these 2), + still sign a solid backup for Jo...then sure, absolutely do that. But like I said, seems extremely difficult to do. But if I can do all that, just with a poor man’s Harris in Morris, I would still feel very good going into the season.

But you haven't really improved our depth here - you subbed out Harris for Morris. Everything else we could still with Harris including splitting the MLE as you suggest.

Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I understand it is:

Resigning both Butler and Harris = 0 cap $ left.

Even if you can get JJ and Ennis split under the MLE (doesn’t seem likely to me, not enough $), where is the $ for Scott and the much needed backup C coming from?

Like I said earlier, IF it can be done, by all means go for it. I’m just having a hard time understanding how it can be done. And if it means downgrading our 3rd/4th scoring option down to only Marcus Morris to do so then I’m fine with it. Maybe I also like Morris more than most. I think the toughness and experience he brings would be an asset to what we have. But obviously Harris is the superior player, not arguing that.

If they resign both Harris and Butler, they're operating as an over the cap team. They have enough bird rights to bring back Redick for whatever he will reasonably cost. They are also allowed to bring back Scott for up to 5 million and there isn't much point to bringing him back if he costs more than that. After all of that, you can still use the MLE including splitting it between Ennis and a center.

[BullyKing]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Maybe it will sink in the 20th time someone explains that bringing back JJ and getting another guard is not an either/or proposition.

[FlyingArrow]

Is it even realistic to max (or near max) both Butler & Harris this offseason...and then Simmons next offseason? Are there teams with 4 max (or near max) guys on their roster?

That's up to the owner, but indications are that he's willing to pay the bill.

[PhillyFan11]

But you haven't really improved our depth here - you subbed out Harris for Morris. Everything else we could still with Harris including splitting the MLE as you suggest.

Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I understand it is:

Resigning both Butler and Harris = 0 cap $ left.

Even if you can get JJ and Ennis split under the MLE (doesn’t seem likely to me, not enough $), where is the $ for Scott and the much needed backup C coming from?

Like I said earlier, IF it can be done, by all means go for it. I’m just having a hard time understanding how it can be done. And if it means downgrading our 3rd/4th scoring option down to only Marcus Morris to do so then I’m fine with it. Maybe I also like Morris more than most. I think the toughness and experience he brings would be an asset to what we have. But obviously Harris is the superior player, not arguing that.

If they resign both Harris and Butler, they're operating as an over the cap team. They have enough bird rights to bring back Redick for whatever he will reasonably cost. They are also allowed to bring back Scott for up to 5 million and there isn't much point to bringing him back if he costs more than that. After all of that, you can still use the MLE including splitting it between Ennis and a center.

Thanks. completely forgot about bird rights with JJ.
And out of pure curiosity...what is the provision that lets us keep Scott at up to $5M? Agree that he isn’t worth keeping over that.

[FlyingArrow]

Is Butler able to guard the players that we're worried about being too quick for us (for JJ)?

If so, we can use the MLE to target the best SG,SF or PF we can find. Butler as SG/SF and Tobias as SF/PF means we have flexibility. If the MLE goes to, say, a 6-10 PF, we can be incredibly long.

Ben, Jimmy, Tobias, 6-10 MLE, Joel