Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[Illuminaire]

8/10/35 and Huerter. That's trading three quarters and a nickel for a silver dollar.

I agree that it's reasonable. Just not ideal - mainly because this draft does not look particularly deep at tier2/3 players. The 8/10 picks feel about as valuable as 13/15 in most drafts, and I don't think I would trade Beal for mid-round picks.

That offer is probably the minimum acceptable, if there was no hope of a better one. I'd be patient and look for something with more upside and future value.

[Ruzious]

8/10/35 and Huerter. That's trading three quarters and a nickel for a silver dollar.

I agree that it's reasonable. Just not ideal - mainly because this draft does not look particularly deep at tier2/3 players. The 8/10 picks feel about as valuable as 13/15 in most drafts, and I don't think I would trade Beal for mid-round picks.

That offer is probably the minimum acceptable, if there was no hope of a better one. I'd be patient and look for something with more upside and future value.

This draft is strong in the middle lottery. Like I said before, picks 4 or 5 through about 12 are pretty much equal, imo.

[Dat2U]

Maybe, but 8&9 combined might get you into the top 4. Plus Huerter is the main piece.

I like Huerter; he's a reasonably promising young guy. But, he's not the main piece of anything, & certainly not of a trade to acquire Bradley Beal.

Kevin scored 14 points per 40 minutes last season. At a TS% of .533. Both those numbers are below average. Overall, he was below average on the rest of the stuff as well. Now, he was a rookie; that's to be expected.

Nor would I trade the #s 8 & 9 for the #4 -- who would that get us who's likely to be better than those 2 guys combined? But, that's irrelevant, anyway. The trade you propose isn't even close. Bazemore isn't any good & you know it.

To get good players you have to give good players.

A trade with Atlanta would likely start with the 8th and 10th picks plus Huerter. They also have a bunch of 2nd rounders - 35, 41, and 42 to sweeten the pot. Getting the 8th and 10th picks would give us the luxury of having 3 straight picks in the lotto - a tantalizing scenario. Hawks fans were very impressed with Huerter, and his deep 3 point range is something every team likes. He needs to get stronger and better, but that'll come. We could do worse than getting picks 8, 10, and 35 plus Huerter for Beal - not a great trade but reasonable.

Yeah. At least it's worth considering. I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger but you get a young starter in Huerter on a rookie deal and yes, that 8-10 trio of picks is tantalizing.

[TGW]

I posted a mahinmi+9 for favors+23 swap on the trade board. They said it was overpayment by the wizards.

What do you guys think?

[nate33]

I posted a mahinmi+9 for favors+23 swap on the trade board. They said it was overpayment by the wizards.

What do you guys think?

Favors has only 1 year left on his $17M/year deal. After that, he'll be an unrestricted 29-year-old free agent.

It's a bad idea to trade away high picks for assets who are old, expensive and have a high potential of leaving.

[payitforward]

Mahinmi & Favors are both expiring; they make @ the same $$, but Favors is better. So, obviously, you'd have to give something along w/ Mahinmi to do the deal.

But... why do you want to do the deal? Are we making a noise this coming season & so we'd want the better of the 2 players? No. Are we going to want to keep Favors after next year? No. Hard to see a reason for this trade.

[gravytrain24]

Any interest for anyone on Houston's roster. Tucker would be a nice addition but don't know of any pieces we would have.

[Eli Babak]

Any interest for anyone on Houston's roster. Tucker would be a nice addition but don't know of any pieces we would have.

Well, I could live with something like Wall for Harden. So... not really. Wizards are going nowhere next year and trading for vets would make no sense. Just sign guys like Dudley, Carter etc. on minimum contracts to mentor rookies (and Beal has turned into a good leader too).

[WallToWall]

Living close to the LA Lakers afford me to listen to the Lakers propaganda on radio stations broadcasting from close by. The bulk of the sports radio personalities keep talking about a Beal trade. At least, they think it's the right move for the Lakers. They seem to be willing to part with their first round pick without issue and adding Ingram and Ball at the least. The off-season has already started for the Lakers and Wizards, and radio stations need to fill the void, but it is interesting that most Lakers fans who call into the sport shows and the announcers/hosts have no issues with parting with a package of Ball+ Ingram + 2019 1st round pick + 2021 1st round pick for Beal. That, to me, is a good package, especially if 2021 pick is unprotected.

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[TGW]

WizardsKev said, at the least, we should get Ball, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 first rounders for Beal. He said Ingram is damaged goods.

I tend to agree with him on these things.

[payitforward]

Living close to the LA Lakers afford me to listen to the Lakers propaganda on radio stations broadcasting from close by. The bulk of the sports radio personalities keep talking about a Beal trade. At least, they think it's the right move for the Lakers. They seem to be willing to part with their first round pick without issue and adding Ingram and Ball at the least. The off-season has already started for the Lakers and Wizards, and radio stations need to fill the void, but it is interesting that most Lakers fans who call into the sport shows and the announcers/hosts have no issues with parting with a package of Ball+ Ingram + 2019 1st round pick + 2021 1st round pick for Beal. That, to me, is a good package, especially if 2021 pick is unprotected.

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I'd like to have Hart in the package; seems sensible for LA as well, since Beal won't leave a whole bunch of minutes for the guy. Add Hart & drop the 2021 R1 pick to a 2020 R2 pick.

There does come a point where you can't turn down the deal. Is this it? I don't know.... My only real problem is that the guys listed on most mocks as going from 3-8... most of them don't much interest me.

Using Kevin Pelton's value chart, the #4 could be traded to the Celtics for their #s 14, 20 & 51. Lets say those 3 picks got us Clarke, Bitadze & Lawson.

In that case, it'd be Beal for Ingram, Ball, Hart, Clarke, Bitadze & Lawson -- plus LA's R2 pick next year. We'd still have #9 -- but I'd trade it to Brooklyn for #s 17 & 27 plus a 2021 R2 pick.

At 17, I take Herro. #27 I trade to the Sixers for their #s 33 & 34 (just about works using Pelton's valuations). At 33 I take Dylan Windler or Matisse Thybulle. & 34 I take the other of those two or else one of Williams or Samanic or Bazley or Claxton, depending on who's there.

So, now I've got

PG -- Sato/Ball/Wall
SG -- Hart/Herro
SF -- Ingram/Windler/Thybulle
PF -- Clarke/Lawson
C -- Bryant/Bitadze/Mahinmi

...& room to add a 14th player. You know what? I think that team might win 45 games. Am I nuts?

[Dat2U]

WizardsKev said, at the least, we should get Ball, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 first rounders for Beal. He said Ingram is damaged goods.

I tend to agree with him on these things.

I'd still take Ingram over Kuz tho. Ingran hasn't been good but he has the skills to be pretty good.

I need the 4th, Ingram, Ball, Hart & a 2020 unprotected pick at minimum and even then I'm not 100% sure I'd pull the trigger.

If I'm the Wiz GM, I'd go to all of Beal's potential suitors and advise what I'm looking for. The rights to Ja Morant.

You want Beal? Make an offer to the Grizz they cannot refuse for the right to Morant plus two additional assets (solid young player + 1st round pick(s) coming to DC.

I'd also reach out to AD's agent to see if they would be open to an AD & Beal pairing in NO and if so try to sell NO on moving the 1st pick.

Realistic? Probably not. But I would aim high and I would not settle for Tobias Harris' type package.

[Dat2U]

Wrong thread, oops.

[nate33]

Just a random idea, I'm not even sure if I like it, but figured I'd throw it out there:

Washington trades: John Wall, 2019 1st
Cleveland trades: Kevin Love, Dellavedova (expires 2020)

Why for Washington: They dump Wall's contract. Love's contract is just as long, but it declines over time so that Year 4 is just $29M rather than Wall's $46M. Also, Love puts the team back in win-now footing, keeping Beal happy. Love and Bryant together in the front court should make devastating pick-and-roll partners for Beal. Either one can be the pick-setter, and either guy can be a floor spacer. Just go at the weaker defender.

Why for Cleveland: They commit to one more year of tanking, get a first round pick, and get younger once Wall comes back in 2020 (Wall is 2 years younger than Love). Wall also complements their roster well because Colin Sexton is more of a shooting guard than a PG. Wall could run point on offense and guard shooting guards on defense.

Ultimately, I don't think you win a championship with a front court of Love and Bryant, but you can win 45-50 games in the East. It's a quick fix that gets the team back to respectability, albeit with very little chance of actual contention. However, if the team has pretty good success with Love, Love might be movable down the road. And the luxtax savings with Love will allow us to acquire another starting-caliber player in 2020 when Dellavedova comes off the books.

[Dat2U]

Just a random idea, I'm not even sure if I like it, but figured I'd throw it out there:

Washington trades: John Wall, 2019 1st
Cleveland trades: Kevin Love, Dellavedova (expires 2020)

Why for Washington: They dump Wall's contract. Love's contract is just as long, but it declines over time so that Year 4 is just $29M rather than Wall's $46M. Also, Love puts the team back in win-now footing, keeping Beal happy. Love and Bryant together in the front court should make devastating pick-and-roll partners for Beal. Either one can be the pick-setter, and either guy can be a floor spacer. Just go at the weaker defender.

Why for Cleveland: They commit to one more year of tanking, get a first round pick, and get younger once Wall comes back in 2020 (Wall is 2 years younger than Love). Wall also complements their roster well because Colin Sexton is more of a shooting guard than a PG. Wall could run point on offense and guard shooting guards on defense.

Ultimately, I don't think you win a championship with a front court of Love and Bryant, but you can win 45-50 games in the East. It's a quick fix that gets the team back to respectability, albeit with very little chance of actual contention. However, if the team has pretty good success with Love, Love might be movable down the road. And the luxtax savings with Love will allow us to acquire another starting-caliber player in 2020 when Dellavedova comes off the books.

Looking at the future landscape I hold off on doing something rash with Wall unless it's a 'get out of jail for free' type of deal - such as a deal for expirings or even getting an asset back.

* There will be some horrendous deals given this offseason & next.

* Contracts like Paul & Wiggins are already perceived as being worse. As Wall gets healthy and likely plays during the second half of next season, he'll have a chance to restore some value. Not likely to where he's an asset, but to where he may be moveable.

[payitforward]

Kevin Love has had a terrific career. Of course we'd be better if he played the minutes that, last year, Parker played. On the season he'd be worth 3-4 wins over Jabari. But, no, if we went into the coming year with Wall gone & Love on our team... we wouldn't win 45-50 games. We'd be a couple of games better than last year. Depending, of course, on who we lost.

[tv24lakers]

Lakers fan here. I know there’s been a lot of interest in Beal from Laker fanatics and those alike. So indulge me for a moment on that talking point before I get to a trade possibility that may have not received much attention, if any.

From a Laker fan perspective I’ll say it’s highly unlikely we would trade a package of this year’s #4 and a future unprotected first rounder, with Lonzo, Ingram or Kuzma, and Hart. That’s an AD type exchange, and one I personally would avoid. I’m more inclined to swap if we able to keep Zo out of the mix.

If the Lakers were to trade for Wall and his debilitating contract - no Beal in the deal, what other assets would you be willing to throw in? I would say the Lakers need to throw in Ingram and a cast of salary fillers to make it cost effective this season. I would say no to us trading our #4 and we would need to take back your #9.

[prime1time]

Lakers fan here. I know there’s been a lot of interest in Beal from Laker fanatics and those alike. So indulge me for a moment on that talking point before I get to a trade possibility that may have not received much attention, if any.

From a Laker fan perspective I’ll say it’s highly unlikely we would trade a package of this year’s #4 and a future unprotected first rounder, with Lonzo, Ingram or Kuzma, and Hart. That’s an AD type exchange, and one I personally would avoid. I’m more inclined to swap if we able to keep Zo out of the mix.

If the Lakers were to trade for Wall and his debilitating contract - no Beal in the deal, what other assets would you be willing to throw in? I would say the Lakers need to throw in Ingram and a cast of salary fillers to make it cost effective this season. I would say no to us trading our #4 and we would need to take back your #9.

Tbh, it's a tough question to answer. From the outside looking in, Wall's a liability. But from every single statement our management and ownership group have given, they see him as a core piece of the franchise. So I don't think that there's any possibility that we'd be willing to give up Wall, especially if we have to give up core assets at the same time. Like what would that trade look like? Wall + #9 + Troy Brown Jr + a future protected first? I think I'll just keep Wall.

[tv24lakers]

A trade for Wall is as risky as you can get, given his injury and monstrosity of a contract.

Out of curiosity what kind of trade offers, if any, have you all heard for Wall?

[TGW]

A trade for Wall is as risky as you can get, given his injury and monstrosity of a contract.

Out of curiosity what kind of trade offers, if any, have you all heard for Wall?

One of our resident "insiders" who did analytical work for the Wizards reported that before Wall was injured, the Lakers offered Lonzo and filler for Wall, and the Wizards (stupidly) turned it down.

By the way, Beal is not getting traded. At least not this summer. The GM loves Beal, we don't have a GM to force a trade of that magnitude, and Beal hasn't requested a trade. And the GM thinks the Wizards can compete for an 8th seed, which would satisfy him for the short term. So even though it may be in their best interests to explore a Beal trade, I think for emotional reasons more than anything, Beal ain't going nowhere.

Now maybe by the 2020 trade deadline, that line of thinking might change if they're out of playoff contention.