2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[bearadonisdna]

Theoretically, garlands fit with LA is that he is a better 1 guard than Lonzo.
The bar isn't particularly that high.

[kodo]

It'd be pretty surprising if Garland isn't the Lakers pick, especially after reading the article about the Lakers today where it shows how much influence Rich Paul has on the team. Garland is the only rookie hanging out with a pro non-stop right now.

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I just don’t get how Garland fits with that team. They just drafted Ball. I don’t think either Ball or Garland are guys that will be that effective with the ball not in their hands. Then you add LeBron, and the fit seems even weirder.

I think Hunter makes more sense for them.

Most likely the pick goes to NOP for AD, and Pels will be starting over around Zion.

Even if that falls through, I think it’s more likely Lebron demands the pick traded for a vet like he did in CLE. That being said I have no idea what LA’s plan is anymore.

[Jvaughn]

Are there credible rumors of RJ falling past 3? I remember hearing early on that some people on the Knicks liked Culver, but I'd still be shocked if RJ fell past them. If it's an option, I'd very much be open to trading Culver (assuming he drops to 7) and our future 1st round pick for RJ.

Since I have been following the Knicks very closely, I have to imagine it's smokescreen.
Being on their board frequently, I can tell you there is nobody on the radar for the 3rd pick but rj .

The culver rumor came out around the same time the reddish hype started.
Culver solidifying himself into the top 5 would almost insure cam drops to us. At some point, even if cam isn't the pick, if he is available and the bulls draft better than cam they will be doing good for themselves.

I don't understand why they'd need to smokescreen. The first two picks are locks.

[bearadonisdna]

If we are talking cars, there would be implied depreciation.

Regarding players,there is a reason why 3rd yr players arent valued as highly in NBA circles.

The main logic being, if the player was better, he would be doing NASCAR not drag races.

Yes, really good freshmen are valued highly. It's perhaps the ultimate value in the draft. It doesn't mean all freshmen are valued the same.

Fair enough

[bearadonisdna]

Are there credible rumors of RJ falling past 3? I remember hearing early on that some people on the Knicks liked Culver, but I'd still be shocked if RJ fell past them. If it's an option, I'd very much be open to trading Culver (assuming he drops to 7) and our future 1st round pick for RJ.

Since I have been following the Knicks very closely, I have to imagine it's smokescreen.
Being on their board frequently, I can tell you there is nobody on the radar for the 3rd pick but rj .

The culver rumor came out around the same time the reddish hype started.
Culver solidifying himself into the top 5 would almost insure cam drops to us. At some point, even if cam isn't the pick, if he is available and the bulls draft better than cam they will be doing good for themselves.

I don't understand why they'd need to smokescreen. The first two picks are locks.

True.
The Knicks want to trade their pick so substantiating a players stock may have value to them.

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[The Box Office]

Agreed on us going BPA from that group of four. As of now, it sounds like Hunter and Culver will be gone before 7. Word has been that Hunter to the Lakers is a very real possibility at 4. And if the rumor about White receiving a top-6 promise is true, good chance Garland falls to us at 7.

Garland is the ultimate boom or bust pick in that draft and that’s exactly why he’s the perfect fit for us. We need to swing for the fences with our pick, whatever position it may be. Take the chance on Garland becoming a Lillard type player. White is more proven at the college level and has a higher floor then Garland.[size=200] But anyone who watched UNC this year knows he does not have star potential in the NBA.

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The truth is NO ONE knows. Not me. Not you. No one here in RealGM. Not even the mods. No one on ESPN. No one at the Stepien/Youtube podcasts/whatever column.

No one knew that Gilbert Arenas was going to be a Agent Zero Superstar before he was drafted. No one knew that Jokic had superstar potential back when he was drafted. No one knew that Dennis Rodman had Hall of Fame stud defensive player potential before he was drafted.

This is the same board who, overwhelmingly with enthusiasm, wanted Michael Porter Jr.

Coby’s athleticism is average and has not proven to be a good shooter to this point. Terrible assist to turnover ratio last year. Was a very high usage guy in an extremely fast paced offense which inflated his points per game. I don’t understand any of the hype with this kid. Garland is the higher ceiling guy and should be our choice between the two.

Athleticism has nothing to do with being a good point guard. That's just false. Examples: John Stockton, Chris Paul, Mark Price, Deron Williams.

Terrible assists to turnover ratio? Man, you're really being biased now. Garland's assists to turnover ratio is abysmal when compared to Coby White's. So "terrible assists to turnover ratio" is just exclusive to Coby White? No.

I don't understand the hype with Garland. Keep hyping him up though. I need it. I need suckers before us to take him. I'll definitely guarantee something with Garland: He'll be better than his daddy, Winston. That's for sure.

[Jcool0]

Athleticism has nothing to do with being a good point guard. That's just false. Examples: John Stockton, Chris Paul, Mark Price, Deron Williams.

Terrible assists to turnover ratio? Man, you're really being biased now. Garland's assists to turnover ratio is abysmal when compared to Coby White's. So "terrible assists to turnover ratio" is just exclusive to Coby White? No.

I don't understand the hype with Garland. Keep hyping him up though. I need it. I need suckers before us to take him. I'll definitely guarantee something with Garland: He'll be better than his daddy, Winston. That's for sure.

Why did you include Paul and Williams? They both had pretty good athleticism.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

It'd be pretty surprising if Garland isn't the Lakers pick, especially after reading the article about the Lakers today where it shows how much influence Rich Paul has on the team. Garland is the only rookie hanging out with a pro non-stop right now.

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I just don’t get how Garland fits with that team. They just drafted Ball. I don’t think either Ball or Garland are guys that will be that effective with the ball not in their hands. Then you add LeBron, and the fit seems even weirder.

I think Hunter makes more sense for them.

I think they have every intention of trading Ball, and I think it will be to the Bulls.

Well if that’s the reasoning, the Bulls should use this situation to their advantage and get a lowball deal for Ball.

I just don’t buy Garland to the Lakers because he makes little sense with their roster. And of the top 6-7 picks, he’s also the biggest project and has the biggest question marks due to lack of playing time. 2 things that LeBron isn’t interested in.

[BigUps]

Kevin Porter Jr.'s pro day is going on now and should be interesting. Have to love his potential. Have to question his BBIQ and shot selection.

[GimmeDat]

They're fun to have a look at but I would stress that pro days are probably the most worthless thing available in judging a player. They're highly choreographed workouts by trainers done to show players strengths and hide their weaknesses. Plus, so easy to get carried away by 1 session's worth of shooting sample. I think they provide more misdirection to scouts than help. I mean, you've got whole seasons of college play to analyze and judge already and that's in game situation.

[johnnyvann840]

i guesss there's a case to be made for rui as a late bloomer worth betting on considering his background, but still, he's got a lavine-esque ability to make you go "how is someone who is good at some basketball stuff so fundamentally awful at other, seemingly basic basketball stuff?"

That is really interesting that you mentioned Zach....I just read this about Rui.


Pacers PSA: Whatever you do, don’t draft Rui Hachimura
https://8points9seconds.com/2019/05/27/pacers-psa-rui-hachimura/

The major limiting factor for Rui Hachimura’s offensive game is his complete lack of feel for the game and slow overall processing.

Decision making is king in the NBA and is a key trait for everyone who is not an elite shot-maker or generational athlete to possess.

It is the trait limiting a supremely talented player like Zach LaVine from ever being as valuable as he could be.

I don't know who Ben Pheiffer is and I've never heard of him, but I wonder if he knows that Rui couldn't even speak English when he came to Gonzaga three years ago. Went from hardly playing and scoring 2 PPG to being one of the best players in the country. The kid had to take the SAT 5 times but he passed it amazingly. He just became good enough with his English this year to even be able to understand his coaches. He's a really smart kid and I think he's going to really start to pick up the nuances of the game. What he's done in this sport under the circumstances is nothing short of remarkable. I can't wait to see what he becomes over the next 5 years in the NBA. I think he's going to be quite a story and quite a player. People are writing him off way too quickly right now. Context is everything especially in this kids case.

[johnnyvann840]

They're fun to have a look at but I would stress that pro days are probably the most worthless thing available in judging a player. They're highly choreographed workouts by trainers done to show players strengths and hide their weaknesses. Plus, so easy to get carried away by 1 session's worth of shooting sample. I think they provide more misdirection to scouts than help. I mean, you've got whole seasons of college play to analyze and judge already and that's in game situation.

Gimme, just curious because you follow the draft about as religiously as anybody here and I value your opinion. What is your take on Hachimura and how much do you know about his story?

[The Box Office]

Athleticism has nothing to do with being a good point guard. That's just false. Examples: John Stockton, Chris Paul, Mark Price, Deron Williams.

Terrible assists to turnover ratio? Man, you're really being biased now. Garland's assists to turnover ratio is abysmal when compared to Coby White's. So "terrible assists to turnover ratio" is just exclusive to Coby White? No.

I don't understand the hype with Garland. Keep hyping him up though. I need it. I need suckers before us to take him. I'll definitely guarantee something with Garland: He'll be better than his daddy, Winston. That's for sure.

Why did you include Paul and Williams? They both had pretty good athleticism.

I respectfully disagree. Deron Williams was a fat dude. He didn't fly through the air like MVP Rose and Westbrook. Ever at any point his career.

Paul? No. Not for most of his career. Very young Chris Paul (Year 1- 3) was ok, but he never navigated the air like Rose, Westbrook, and Kevin Johnson. He had that one great dunk over young Dwight Howard. That was cool though.

I'll add 2 more: Tony Parker and Mark Jackson.

[kingkirk]

Well if that’s the reasoning, the Bulls should use this situation to their advantage and get a lowball deal for Ball.

I just don’t buy Garland to the Lakers because he makes little sense with their roster. And of the top 6-7 picks, he’s also the biggest project and has the biggest question marks due to lack of playing time. 2 things that LeBron isn’t interested in.

On or off ball, with LeBron on the floor or not, Garland makes a heap of sense for the Lakers roster.

[GimmeDat]

They're fun to have a look at but I would stress that pro days are probably the most worthless thing available in judging a player. They're highly choreographed workouts by trainers done to show players strengths and hide their weaknesses. Plus, so easy to get carried away by 1 session's worth of shooting sample. I think they provide more misdirection to scouts than help. I mean, you've got whole seasons of college play to analyze and judge already and that's in game situation.

Gimme, just curious because you follow the draft about as religiously as anybody here and I value your opinion. What is your take on Hachimura and how much do you know about his story?

It's been a while since I heard his story, but I remember reading about it at the start of the season. Seems like a good young guy and I think there's some merit to the late-bloomer sort of idea where he's a little bit earlier on in the development curve than his age might suggest.

That being said, I'm not that high on his game. I don't think he sees the game quick enough to make good decisions with the ball, and he struggles on defense for that same reason. He's got tunnel vision as a scorer a little bit, and while I do think he'll be a solid scorer, I'm not sure it'll translate at an elite level to the NBA, so I don't value him that highly.

I watched him play for Japan in the FIBA games as well, and in particular against Australia he played really well, but I think that was a role that really suited him because he was the alpha on a (relatively) weak Japanese roster.

I think he might be capable of scoring 15-18ppg in the league, but will he impact the game positively? I'm kinda skeptical. Might seem a bit harsh but I had him in the 20's on the latest board I typed up.

The rumor is the Wolves promised him at 14. I feel like you can at least justify taking him in that range, but for Minny, I hate the fit. You need a defensive guy next to KAT and Rui is not that. I believe any of G.Williams, Clarke or Washington would be better fits and are better PF prospects, generally speaking.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Well if that’s the reasoning, the Bulls should use this situation to their advantage and get a lowball deal for Ball.

I just don’t buy Garland to the Lakers because he makes little sense with their roster. And of the top 6-7 picks, he’s also the biggest project and has the biggest question marks due to lack of playing time. 2 things that LeBron isn’t interested in.

On or off ball, with LeBron on the floor or not, Garland makes a heap of sense for the Lakers roster.

With Ball and LeBron there, I don’t think he makes much sense at all. None of those three strengths are off the ball play.

Both Hunter and Culver make much more sense with that roster.

[GimmeDat]

Tillie's going back to school. (Wanted him bad at 38). As is Pickett, who I liked for 38 as well.

My #1 target in the 2nd round, Bazley, is probably unlikely to stay til our pick, especially as the entrants thin out a bit with some withdrawing. I would use next years 2nd to trade up for Baz if that was on the table. He could well be this years Mitchell Robinson.

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[kulaz3000]

Rui reminds me of Drew Gooden.