Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[mithrandir17]

Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I understand it is:

Resigning both Butler and Harris = 0 cap $ left.

Even if you can get JJ and Ennis split under the MLE (doesn’t seem likely to me, not enough $), where is the $ for Scott and the much needed backup C coming from?

Like I said earlier, IF it can be done, by all means go for it. I’m just having a hard time understanding how it can be done. And if it means downgrading our 3rd/4th scoring option down to only Marcus Morris to do so then I’m fine with it. Maybe I also like Morris more than most. I think the toughness and experience he brings would be an asset to what we have. But obviously Harris is the superior player, not arguing that.

If they resign both Harris and Butler, they're operating as an over the cap team. They have enough bird rights to bring back Redick for whatever he will reasonably cost. They are also allowed to bring back Scott for up to 5 million and there isn't much point to bringing him back if he costs more than that. After all of that, you can still use the MLE including splitting it between Ennis and a center.

Thanks. completely forgot about bird rights with JJ.
And out of pure curiosity...what is the provision that lets us keep Scott at up to $5M? Agree that he isn’t worth keeping over that.

We can sign Scott using the non-bird exception. Mike Scott's current salary is 4.3M so 120% of it is just 5.16M.

Under this exception, teams can re-sign a player to a contract beginning at either 120% of his salary for the previous season, or 120% of the league's minimum salary, whichever amount is higher. Contracts signed under the Non-Bird exception can last up to four years

[PhillyPhilly]

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Maybe it will sink in the 20th time someone explains that bringing back JJ and getting another guard is not an either/or proposition.

I know you think you're his agent but surely even you wouldn't offer him 22m?

[BullyKing]

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Maybe it will sink in the 20th time someone explains that bringing back JJ and getting another guard is not an either/or proposition.

I know you think you're his agent but surely even you wouldn't offer him 22m?

I’m not interested in debating value with you. I’m simply trying to get you to stop detailing the discussion with the same false premise everytime someone’s opinion includes resigning Redick.

[Cokeleaf]

Priority 1 should be to bring the starters back. And i think Brand will.
Butler 4 year max
Harris 5 year near max
Redick 3 years 9mil/year

I would like to see Scott and Ennis back but i see them getting bigger offers elsewhere that sixers cant match. So they walk.

Boban will likely not have too much demand and sixers should bring him back for a year if we’re looking at 4-5mil/year

Shake and possibly Haywood can be converted to min deals

Other sixers free agents wont be brought back because they didnt contribute when in the playoffs and were given opportunities to.

Priority 2 is chasing the players that would sign to the exceptions.
9mil MLE, 3mil biannual, likely one vet minimum


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[Mik317]

no way Jimmy takes a 4 year Max from us when he can get that elsewhere AND be the man...probably in NY or LA.

[mattd13]

if joel had been healthy this team would be in finals. i agree they should try to keep the starters together and give it another try. a whole year to play together and they could win it all. i can not believe how clueless some people are to the importance of jj to this team.

[PhillyPhilly]

if joel had been healthy this team would be in finals. i agree they should try to keep the starters together and give it another try. a whole year to play together and they could win it all. i can not believe how clueless some people are to the importance of jj to this team.

I also cannot believe how some folks are so obsessed with a 35 year old who can't defend, assist, rebound and needs to get schemed open. Let's pretend he's Bradley Beal yall.

[PhillyPhilly]

Maybe it will sink in the 20th time someone explains that bringing back JJ and getting another guard is not an either/or proposition.

I know you think you're his agent but surely even you wouldn't offer him 22m?

I’m not interested in debating value with you. I’m simply trying to get you to stop detailing the discussion with the same false premise everytime someone’s opinion includes resigning Redick.

What "false premise"? It's MY OPINION that we need a better back court in order to progress next season, how is that a false premise? I merely said I wouldn't offer a 35 year old a two year 22m deal like someone above suggested, and then you jump In acting as If I said we should get rid of him which I didn't say In that post.

[Negrodamus]

I'm not getting the impression that people are obsessed with Redick here; they are seeing it as the pragmatic solution.

[Mik317]

its not about JJ as a player its about the fact that its JJ or nothing. You bring back the other two guys, then JJ is legit the only guy you can bring in to fill that spot. So you can talk about Lamb, Ross and whoever all you want..it is legit not feasible to bring those guys in unless you aren't bringing back any of them

[Sixerscan]

I know you think you're his agent but surely even you wouldn't offer him 22m?

I’m not interested in debating value with you. I’m simply trying to get you to stop detailing the discussion with the same false premise everytime someone’s opinion includes resigning Redick.

What "false premise"? It's MY OPINION that we need a better back court in order to progress next season, how is that a false premise? I merely said I wouldn't offer a 35 year old a two year 22m deal like someone above suggested, and then you jump In acting as If I said we should get rid of him which I didn't say In that post.

The issue is you clearly don’t get how the cap works, and instead of trying to learn you are just misunderstanding other people’s plans that are based on the cap and getting mad about them.

[PhillyPhilly]

I’m not interested in debating value with you. I’m simply trying to get you to stop detailing the discussion with the same false premise everytime someone’s opinion includes resigning Redick.

What "false premise"? It's MY OPINION that we need a better back court in order to progress next season, how is that a false premise? I merely said I wouldn't offer a 35 year old a two year 22m deal like someone above suggested, and then you jump In acting as If I said we should get rid of him which I didn't say In that post.

The issue is you clearly don’t get how the cap works, and instead of trying to learn you are just misunderstanding other people’s plans that are based on the cap and getting mad about them.

AGAIN, I did not say we should get rid of JJ i merely want him to be on the bench now and a younger, better sg brought with the mle so this has nothing to do with the cap. Also if you think giving a 35 year old who can't defend 22m over the next two years then that's your business, I just don't agree.

[BullyKing]

What "false premise"? It's MY OPINION that we need a better back court in order to progress next season, how is that a false premise? I merely said I wouldn't offer a 35 year old a two year 22m deal like someone above suggested, and then you jump In acting as If I said we should get rid of him which I didn't say In that post.

The issue is you clearly don’t get how the cap works, and instead of trying to learn you are just misunderstanding other people’s plans that are based on the cap and getting mad about them.

AGAIN, I did not say we should get rid of JJ i merely want him to be on the bench now and a younger, better sg brought with the mle so this has nothing to do with the cap. Also if you think giving a 35 year old who can't defend 22m over the next two years then that's your business, I just don't agree.

Funny, then you'd think your response to this post would be arguing for using the MLE on someone other than Ennis and backup center. But it wasn't - it was just the same regurgitation of your Redick opinion for the 80th time.

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Maybe just accept that people are aware of your stance, aware that you would like to add KCP or Lamb (for "reasons") and that those that feel like taking the time to converse with you about it have done so instead of responding to basically everyone else's opinion with the same post?

[kriss73]

I know that Butler max would be 145x4 (other teams) or 187x5 (sixers).
Is it possible to offer him something in the middle, let's say 160x5 and to structure the contract descending?
I think yes, so maybe something like 32.4M, 35M (+8%), 33.5 (-4.5%), 31M (-8%) and 28.3 (-8%) = 160x5 is palatable both for Butler and for the ownership.

[BullyKing]

I know that Butler max would be 145x4 (other teams) or 187x5 (sixers).
Is it possible to offer him something in the middle, let's say 160x5 and to structure the contract descending?
I think yes, so maybe something like 32.4M, 35M (+8%), 33.5 (-4.5%), 31M (-8%) and 28.3 (-8%) = 160x5 is palatable both for Butler and for the ownership.

It's possible but I doubt the fifth year will be that big of an enticement if its only worth $15 million. I proposed something a few days ago where we'd offer him more than any other team through the fifth year and larger raises but starting at under a max which helps us with the apron.

[Sixerscan]

I know that Butler max would be 145x4 (other teams) or 187x5 (sixers).
Is it possible to offer him something in the middle, let's say 160x5 and to structure the contract descending?
I think yes, so maybe something like 32.4M, 35M (+8%), 33.5 (-4.5%), 31M (-8%) and 28.3 (-8%) = 160x5 is palatable both for Butler and for the ownership.

I think this is more likely for Harris than for Butler.

Butler I think will be able to command the full boat if he wants it, if he takes less it’s because he wants to make the team around him better.

But yeah it’s certainly allowed under the CBA.

[kriss73]

I know that Butler max would be 145x4 (other teams) or 187x5 (sixers).
Is it possible to offer him something in the middle, let's say 160x5 and to structure the contract descending?
I think yes, so maybe something like 32.4M, 35M (+8%), 33.5 (-4.5%), 31M (-8%) and 28.3 (-8%) = 160x5 is palatable both for Butler and for the ownership.

It's possible but I doubt the fifth year will be that big of an enticement if its only worth $15 million. I proposed something a few days ago where we'd offer him more than any other team through the fifth year and larger raises but starting at under a max which helps us with the apron.

I'm not sure 35 yrs old Butler will make more than 15M on e new contract (if he will sign a 4-years contract with someone else).

However if I'm the Sixers owner, I'd prefer a contract larger in the first 3 years than in the last 2.

[PhillyPhilly]

The issue is you clearly don’t get how the cap works, and instead of trying to learn you are just misunderstanding other people’s plans that are based on the cap and getting mad about them.

AGAIN, I did not say we should get rid of JJ i merely want him to be on the bench now and a younger, better sg brought with the mle so this has nothing to do with the cap. Also if you think giving a 35 year old who can't defend 22m over the next two years then that's your business, I just don't agree.

Funny, then you'd think your response to this post would be arguing for using the MLE on someone other than Ennis and backup center. But it wasn't - it was just the same regurgitation of your Redick opinion for the 80th time.

Resign Butler to max and let Harris get overpaid elsewhere. According to hoops rumors that leaves us with $29.4M in cap room

Resign JJ: 2/$22M ($11M per)
Resign Scott: 1/$3M
Sign Marcus Morris: 2/$30M ($15M per)

Split MLE between Ennis and best big we can afford (Ed Davis?)

Ben
JJ
Jimmy
Morris
Jo

Zhaire, Ennis, Scott, E Davis(or your choice of cheapish FA C), 1st rounder, Bolden, Shake/2nd rounder

I’ll be the 1st to admit the nba cap confuses the hell out of me, so not promising that works like I think it does.

I like Harris, but I don’t think he did/will make a big enough impact to warrant a max deal. If I can get Morris + keep JJ, Ennis, and Scott I’m choosing that route. To me this gives us a really solid 2 year window to compete, and some easy turnover after to add another piece to Jo, Jimmy and Ben

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Maybe just accept that people are aware of your stance, aware that you would like to add KCP or Lamb (for "reasons") and that those that feel like taking the time to converse with you about it have done so instead of responding to basically everyone else's opinion with the same post?

That person wanted to give JJ a two year 22m deal and I merely responded with my own opinion. As much as you moan at me about making my views on JJ known, you sure don't mind responding to every one of those posts yourself.

[BullyKing]

I hope that we are aggressive in targeting someone for the MLE (or at least the bulk of it) and bringing our own guys back but then we exercise patience in signing minimum contract guys to fill out the roster. It just feels like there are going to be some decent options left on the market and you'd think we'd be a pretty attractive destination given that we are contenders and depth is our biggest weakness. Like I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Trevor Ariza, Carroll, Koufos, Temple, etc. are out there needing a home somewhere after the first couple weeks of free agency.

No reason to rush into bringing back the Amir and Boban's of the world when better options will likely present themselves.

[PhillyFan11]

AGAIN, I did not say we should get rid of JJ i merely want him to be on the bench now and a younger, better sg brought with the mle so this has nothing to do with the cap. Also if you think giving a 35 year old who can't defend 22m over the next two years then that's your business, I just don't agree.

Funny, then you'd think your response to this post would be arguing for using the MLE on someone other than Ennis and backup center. But it wasn't - it was just the same regurgitation of your Redick opinion for the 80th time.

So folks want to dump Harris but at the same time offer 35 year old JJ who can't defend a two year deal worth 22m? Smh that team wouldn't take us further imo. The back court as it is isn't championship material, it needs to improve and imo that means replacing JJ.

Maybe just accept that people are aware of your stance, aware that you would like to add KCP or Lamb (for "reasons") and that those that feel like taking the time to converse with you about it have done so instead of responding to basically everyone else's opinion with the same post?

That person wanted to give JJ a two year 22m deal and I merely responded with my own opinion. As much as you moan at me about making my views on JJ known, you sure don't mind responding to every one of those posts yourself.

You’re taking the #’s I posted way too literally. I’m just a guy on a message board, of course I don’t know what JJ is going to get paid. With that said, o still think you’re going way overboard on the lack of value JJ has. He would still play 20-25 mins on pretty much any contender. To think that he’s getting much less than $10M per year is naive in my opinion.

Not to mention that you really do seem to be completely ignoring bird rights in the JJ conversation...or you’re just not grasping the concept. Whatever $ he does or doesn’t get from the Sixers is irrelevant to anyone besides the people actually footing the bill to be over the cap and paying his salary.