2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors

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Who's the champ?

Warriors in 4
33
7%
Warriors in 5
65
13%
Warriors in 6
106
22%
Warriors in 7
8
2%
Raptors in 4
44
9%
Raptors in 5
23
5%
Raptors in 6
78
16%
Raptors in 7
125
26%
 
Total votes: 482

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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#941 » by niQ » Wed May 29, 2019 4:47 pm

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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#942 » by PizzaSteve » Wed May 29, 2019 4:52 pm

Dirk wrote:
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PizzaSteve wrote:
Funny how successful Toronto has been, multiple consecutive 50+, 60+ win seasons and no one give Kawhi and Gasol grief for escaping the west and pushing for a trade to the top team in the East. He did even worse than what KD did, he abandoded his team that had just got beat by warriors, but made it close and forced a trade out of the West to escape them until Finals.

If the Warriors lose and Toronto signs the claw, it seems an equally snaky move to form a superteam to me.

While my opinion both players are just doing the modern NBA thing, it is actually funny how he gets such a free pass after forcing his way onto the top team. Gasol, another all star, followed. While backdoor trades, still building the best team possible by signing multiple all stars to a core of home build guys.


This can't be a serious take, please tell me it isn't and that I can laugh at myself for taking the trollbait...



For reference, it's the same user who attacked someone else out of the blue in this way...

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sca wrote:
How TF is this a "complete accident?" He recklessly slaps Valanciunas's finger at a rapid speed. You may argue that he didn't do it on purpose (and you'd be right) but still it was a direct result of him being out of control and doing something he shouldn't have done. No bad intention =/= complete accident.

Hands getting hit when players reach for steals literally happens every game. Just because you clip video of it and have an agenda, doesnt mean squat. Thousands of games played for both players, and the NBA is an elite frat where NOONE wants others to get injured.

The fact you reach for that out of sour grapes sports hatred is so sad. It really reflects on you and your mental state, you arr over projecting. To suggest what you are suggesting, I recomment counciling and perhaps not even watching sports
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PizzaSteve, on top of the horrific personal attacks, now you decide to (at best) troll. Whether you are doing this intentionally or not, it's irrelevant. If you continue to make posts that will obviously bring the topic down and ruin the experience for others, you will be suspended from the General Board.

This is not a horrific personal attack.

A poster accused an NBA star of intentionally injuring others and I called him out for it.

If that kind of fan is what this site represents, feel free to impose a penalty for my account and reward the fan who is so caught up in rooting for their team that they accuse opposing players of intentionally harming others, or are so sensitive that they cant compare the process that led to the signing of their (soon to be) rental premier FA star to a process of signing another premier FA star.

If the need to slant to the extreme is what is desired, feel free to perma ban me.

The use of `horrific attack` to describe what i posted just shows how needy this person is to justify their actions. Any worker who attacked a coworker with intent to injure in any work environment, including sports, would be immediately fired with investigation and charges filed. To suggest otherwise is preposterus fan hatred driven drivel.

Yes the kawhi comparison was tongue in cheek. But it is meant to point out the hypocracy of calling a free agent signing with the best team some sort of crime and deserving of years of name calling by fans annoyed he wasnt traded to or signing with their team. If KD signed at Toronto he would be the city hero.

Both of my positions are perfectly reasonable to have. Calling me a troll is a personal attack, BTW. Not that i care.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#943 » by SwaggyB » Wed May 29, 2019 5:40 pm

PizzaSteve wrote:Any worker who attacked a coworker with intent to injure in any work environment, including sports, would be immediately fired with investigation and charges filed. To suggest otherwise is preposterus fan hatred driven drivel.


Like when the NBA fired Chris Paul, Rondo, Ingram and Ibaka this year?
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#944 » by everdiso » Wed May 29, 2019 5:42 pm

A reminder that the only team a KD-Less Warriors team has ever actually beaten in a finals looked like this:


C T.Thompson
F L.James
F J.Smith
G I.Shumpert
G M.Dellevadova

C T.Mozgov
G J.Jones
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#945 » by xdrta+ » Wed May 29, 2019 5:44 pm

everdiso wrote:A reminder that the only team a KD-Less Warriors team has ever actually beaten in a finals looked like this:


C T.Thompson
F L.James
F J.Smith
G I.Shumpert
G M.Dellevadova

C T.Mozgov
G J.Jones


And this is relevant to this year's matchup...how?
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#946 » by everdiso » Wed May 29, 2019 5:50 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
everdiso wrote:A reminder that the only team a KD-Less Warriors team has ever actually beaten in a finals looked like this:


C T.Thompson
F L.James
F J.Smith
G I.Shumpert
G M.Dellevadova

C T.Mozgov
G J.Jones


And this is relevant to this year's matchup...how?


well, because we might care about how they earned that one championship without KD, especially if we're going to give them extra credit for being champions coming into this series without KD.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#947 » by everdiso » Wed May 29, 2019 5:59 pm

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Our model had the Raptors slightly favored against the Bucks. And now it has them slightly favored against the Warriors.��Here's a deep dive into why and whether or not I believe it. 53eig.ht/2W1NsJo

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1h
I don't think people realize how good the Raptors' starting 5 is (Lowry-Green-Leonard-Siakam-Gasol). They were very good in the regular season, but didn't play together much. Now they're +12.1 points per 100 possessions in the playoffs in a lot of minutes against tough opponents.

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I'm less confident it's handling the Warriors correctly, though. I don't buy the "Warriors better without KD" narrative, they pretty clearly aren't IMO, but the Curry-led Warriors are still a really good team.

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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#948 » by Joker » Wed May 29, 2019 6:14 pm

everdiso wrote:Nate Silver
@NateSilver538
Our model had the Raptors slightly favored against the Bucks. And now it has them slightly favored against the Warriors.��Here's a deep dive into why and whether or not I believe it. 53eig.ht/2W1NsJo

Nate Silver @NateSilver538
1h
I don't think people realize how good the Raptors' starting 5 is (Lowry-Green-Leonard-Siakam-Gasol). They were very good in the regular season, but didn't play together much. Now they're +12.1 points per 100 possessions in the playoffs in a lot of minutes against tough opponents.

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I'm less confident it's handling the Warriors correctly, though. I don't buy the "Warriors better without KD" narrative, they pretty clearly aren't IMO, but the Curry-led Warriors are still a really good team.

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Nick Wright said that Durant doesn't really raise the Warriors' ceiling, but raises their floor. I tend to agree.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#949 » by xdrta+ » Wed May 29, 2019 6:50 pm

everdiso wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
everdiso wrote:A reminder that the only team a KD-Less Warriors team has ever actually beaten in a finals looked like this:


C T.Thompson
F L.James
F J.Smith
G I.Shumpert
G M.Dellevadova

C T.Mozgov
G J.Jones


And this is relevant to this year's matchup...how?


well, because we might care about how they earned that one championship without KD, especially if we're going to give them extra credit for being champions coming into this series without KD.


It was a very different team 5 years ago. A much better team then, I might add.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#950 » by jubla19 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:07 pm

everdiso wrote:A reminder that the only team a KD-Less Warriors team has ever actually beaten in a finals looked like this:


C T.Thompson
F L.James
F J.Smith
G I.Shumpert
G M.Dellevadova

C T.Mozgov
G J.Jones



Sad the 60 win hawks got clowned by basically the same team.
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Post#951 » by WarriorGM » Wed May 29, 2019 7:13 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
everdiso wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
And this is relevant to this year's matchup...how?


well, because we might care about how they earned that one championship without KD, especially if we're going to give them extra credit for being champions coming into this series without KD.


It was a very different team 5 years ago. A much better team then, I might add.


Oh leave the Raptors fans alone. They have to psych themselves up somehow.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#952 » by everdiso » Wed May 29, 2019 7:19 pm

jubla19 wrote:
everdiso wrote:A reminder that the only team a KD-Less Warriors team has ever actually beaten in a finals looked like this:


C T.Thompson
F L.James
F J.Smith
G I.Shumpert
G M.Dellevadova

C T.Mozgov
G J.Jones



Sad the 60 win hawks got clowned by basically the same team.


definitely weird.

though looking back, the question there is probably HOW THE HELL DID THAT TEAM WIN 60 GAMES.

didn;t even have one 17+ ppg scorer. crazy.

east was truly awful back then.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#953 » by TheProfessor » Wed May 29, 2019 7:39 pm

We need to see the Siakam/Leonard/Green/Lowry/VV line up, the faster Nick Nurse realizes this line up the faster the raptors have the advantage.
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#954 » by Lunartic » Wed May 29, 2019 8:04 pm

PizzaSteve wrote:
Dirk wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
This can't be a serious take, please tell me it isn't and that I can laugh at myself for taking the trollbait...



For reference, it's the same user who attacked someone else out of the blue in this way...

Spoiler:
PizzaSteve wrote:Hands getting hit when players reach for steals literally happens every game. Just because you clip video of it and have an agenda, doesnt mean squat. Thousands of games played for both players, and the NBA is an elite frat where NOONE wants others to get injured.

The fact you reach for that out of sour grapes sports hatred is so sad. It really reflects on you and your mental state, you arr over projecting. To suggest what you are suggesting, I recomment counciling and perhaps not even watching sports
.



PizzaSteve, on top of the horrific personal attacks, now you decide to (at best) troll. Whether you are doing this intentionally or not, it's irrelevant. If you continue to make posts that will obviously bring the topic down and ruin the experience for others, you will be suspended from the General Board.

This is not a horrific personal attack.

A poster accused an NBA star of intentionally injuring others and I called him out for it.

If that kind of fan is what this site represents, feel free to impose a penalty for my account and reward the fan who is so caught up in rooting for their team that they accuse opposing players of intentionally harming others, or are so sensitive that they cant compare the process that led to the signing of their (soon to be) rental premier FA star to a process of signing another premier FA star.

If the need to slant to the extreme is what is desired, feel free to perma ban me.

The use of `horrific attack` to describe what i posted just shows how needy this person is to justify their actions. Any worker who attacked a coworker with intent to injure in any work environment, including sports, would be immediately fired with investigation and charges filed. To suggest otherwise is preposterus fan hatred driven drivel.

Yes the kawhi comparison was tongue in cheek. But it is meant to point out the hypocracy of calling a free agent signing with the best team some sort of crime and deserving of years of name calling by fans annoyed he wasnt traded to or signing with their team. If KD signed at Toronto he would be the city hero.

Both of my positions are perfectly reasonable to have. Calling me a troll is a personal attack, BTW. Not that i care.



Inb4 that's labeled a horrific reply

Better stop while you're ahead fam
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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#955 » by northoakland510 » Wed May 29, 2019 8:09 pm

Warriors have had to play Lebron in four finals, now they should fear Kawhi?

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Post#956 » by pingpongrac » Wed May 29, 2019 8:12 pm

TheProfessor wrote:We need to see the Siakam/Leonard/Green/Lowry/VV line up, the faster Nick Nurse realizes this line up the faster the raptors have the advantage.
I think we'll see it in G1. It's a pretty obvious counter to GSW's small ball lineups with Draymond at the 5. Nurse will probably opt to put Ibaka in there to go a bit bigger more often if Green (or FVV) isn't producing, though.

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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#958 » by pingpongrac » Wed May 29, 2019 8:14 pm

northoakland510 wrote:Warriors have had to play Lebron in four finals, now they should fear Kawhi?

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Kawhi at this level with a more well-rounded supporting cast while GSW is also weaker/injured and doesn't have HCA? I'd say.

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Post#959 » by northoakland510 » Wed May 29, 2019 8:17 pm

pingpongrac wrote:
northoakland510 wrote:Warriors have had to play Lebron in four finals, now they should fear Kawhi?

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Kawhi at this level with a more well-rounded supporting cast while GSW is also weaker/injured and doesn't have HCA? I'd say.

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None of that supporting cast is better that Irving and Love.

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Re: 2019 NBA Finals Thread, Part 1 | Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors 

Post#960 » by pingpongrac » Wed May 29, 2019 8:31 pm

northoakland510 wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:
northoakland510 wrote:Warriors have had to play Lebron in four finals, now they should fear Kawhi?

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Kawhi at this level with a more well-rounded supporting cast while GSW is also weaker/injured and doesn't have HCA? I'd say.

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None of that supporting cast is better that Irving and Love.

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More well-rounded does not mean Kyrie and Love (very debateable that Lowry - even at his current state - isn't at the very least on Love's level because of his overall impact) are worse than Toronto's #2/#3 options. Toronto is much more balanced (defence, shooting, etc.), though.

It should also be noted that Kyrie only played in 2 of those series and Love played in 3 - and Cleveland actually won when they both played / pre-Durant.

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