Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Sixerscan]

I hope that we are aggressive in targeting someone for the MLE (or at least the bulk of it) and bringing our own guys back but then we exercise patience in signing minimum contract guys to fill out the roster. It just feels like there are going to be some decent options left on the market and you'd think we'd be a pretty attractive destination given that we are contenders and depth is our biggest weakness. Like I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Trevor Ariza, Carroll, Koufos, Temple, etc. are out there needing a home somewhere after the first couple weeks of free agency.

No reason to rush into bringing back the Amir and Boban's of the world when better options will likely present themselves.

Agreed, there will be value to be had for teams that wait. They need to put real thought into all 15 roster spots. No more of having the Stauskas/Korkmaz guys that start the season being pissed about not being in the rotation.

This may sound crazy but if they wanted to target Jared Dudley as the 12th guy on a minimum deal it could very valuable. He'll buy in, won't complain about a lack of playing time, can play in a bunch of different lineups during the year if needed. Had a positive RPM this year too.

[Mik317]

let go full stupid w/**** that won't happen.

But

what if Harden is gettable?

[youngcrev]

I hope that we are aggressive in targeting someone for the MLE (or at least the bulk of it) and bringing our own guys back but then we exercise patience in signing minimum contract guys to fill out the roster. It just feels like there are going to be some decent options left on the market and you'd think we'd be a pretty attractive destination given that we are contenders and depth is our biggest weakness. Like I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Trevor Ariza, Carroll, Koufos, Temple, etc. are out there needing a home somewhere after the first couple weeks of free agency.

No reason to rush into bringing back the Amir and Boban's of the world when better options will likely present themselves.

Agreed, there will be value to be had for teams that wait. They need to put real thought into all 15 roster spots. No more of having the Stauskas/Korkmaz guys that start the season being pissed about not being in the rotation.

This may sound crazy but if they wanted to target Jared Dudley as the 12th guy on a minimum deal it could very valuable. He'll buy in, won't complain about a lack of playing time, can play in a bunch of different lineups during the year if needed. Had a positive RPM this year too.

I'd take Dudley if the team is cool with it. He's not any worse than Mike Scott.

[XtremeDunkz]

let go full stupid w/**** that won't happen.

But

what if Harden is gettable?

Id rather never watch basketball again than have to root for that guy.

[BullyKing]

I hope that we are aggressive in targeting someone for the MLE (or at least the bulk of it) and bringing our own guys back but then we exercise patience in signing minimum contract guys to fill out the roster. It just feels like there are going to be some decent options left on the market and you'd think we'd be a pretty attractive destination given that we are contenders and depth is our biggest weakness. Like I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Trevor Ariza, Carroll, Koufos, Temple, etc. are out there needing a home somewhere after the first couple weeks of free agency.

No reason to rush into bringing back the Amir and Boban's of the world when better options will likely present themselves.

Agreed, there will be value to be had for teams that wait. They need to put real thought into all 15 roster spots. No more of having the Stauskas/Korkmaz guys that start the season being pissed about not being in the rotation.

This may sound crazy but if they wanted to target Jared Dudley as the 12th guy on a minimum deal it could very valuable. He'll buy in, won't complain about a lack of playing time, can play in a bunch of different lineups during the year if needed. Had a positive RPM this year too.

I'd take Dudley if the team is cool with it. He's not any worse than Mike Scott.

Yeah, I've been gravitating towards a more hard line stance with Scott - like offer $3 million and let him go if that won't get it done. There's a decent number of guys that can be a reasonable facsimile of him and at least one should slip through the cracks and be available for the minimum.

Guys like Jerebko, Tolliver, Carroll, Dudley, Frye, JaMychal Green, or Kleber, I'd also be fine with a minimum contract reunion with Chandler, Muscala or LMAM.

[Zander]

let go full stupid w/**** that won't happen.

But

what if Harden is gettable?

Id rather never watch basketball again than have to root for that guy.

This

[Sixerscan]

Agreed, there will be value to be had for teams that wait. They need to put real thought into all 15 roster spots. No more of having the Stauskas/Korkmaz guys that start the season being pissed about not being in the rotation.

This may sound crazy but if they wanted to target Jared Dudley as the 12th guy on a minimum deal it could very valuable. He'll buy in, won't complain about a lack of playing time, can play in a bunch of different lineups during the year if needed. Had a positive RPM this year too.

I'd take Dudley if the team is cool with it. He's not any worse than Mike Scott.

Yeah, I've been gravitating towards a more hard line stance with Scott - like offer $3 million and let him go if that won't get it done. There's a decent number of guys that can be a reasonable facsimile of him and at least one should slip through the cracks and be available for the minimum.

Guys like Jerebko, Tolliver, Carroll, Dudley, Frye, JaMychal Green, or Kleber, I'd also be fine with a minimum contract reunion with Chandler, Muscala or LMAM.

Yeah personality-wise Scott was built in a lab to play in Philly. The lack of defensive versatility is just tough though.

He's still better than Jared Dudley though tbc lol.

[PhillyFan11]

Does anybody else think Zhaire and Ennis could be a little redundant together off the bench next year? Not saying they are the exact same guy, but Zhaire should in theory be our guy off the bench to defend 1-3 and Ennis' offensive game is pretty limited. With only so much maneuverability roster and cap space wise it's probably going to come down to using a decent chunk of the MLE on Ennis and I'm now doubting if that's the best idea.

[Sixerscan]

Does anybody else think Zhaire and Ennis could be a little redundant together off the bench next year? Not saying they are the exact same guy, but Zhaire should in theory be our guy off the bench to defend 1-3 and Ennis' offensive game is pretty limited. With only so much maneuverability roster and cap space wise it's probably going to come down to using a decent chunk of the MLE on Ennis and I'm now doubting if that's the best idea.

Depends on what the Ennis number is. Can't ever have enough athletic wings, there's always a way to fit them into the lineup.

[youngcrev]

Does anybody else think Zhaire and Ennis could be a little redundant together off the bench next year? Not saying they are the exact same guy, but Zhaire should in theory be our guy off the bench to defend 1-3 and Ennis' offensive game is pretty limited. With only so much maneuverability roster and cap space wise it's probably going to come down to using a decent chunk of the MLE on Ennis and I'm now doubting if that's the best idea.

Yes. Ennis can go if he gets more than that 1.9 we can give him with his bird rights (which I expect he will)

[phiphan]

let go full stupid w/**** that won't happen.

But

what if Harden is gettable?

Id rather never watch basketball again than have to root for that guy.

This

Plebs

[Skates]

Mike Scott is great for his toughness, but his long range shooting is streaky and defensively he is mostly meh to worse than meh. Ennis is a nice end of rotation player, but will get more than we can offer after his showing in the playoffs.

I doubt this is a popular stance, but the other free agent of ours that we do have Bird rights to and that I have a limited amount of money I would offer is JJ. I know his caliber of shooting will be hard to replace without having true cap space and our ability to exceed the cap for him makes him likely to stay, but he is too easily taken out of the game by teams that defend hard and with athletic length. He really isn't starter material on a contender and if he is going to be a bench player it makes sense to pay him as such.

[PhilasFinest]

Mike Scott is great for his toughness, but his long range shooting is streaky and defensively he is mostly meh to worse than meh. Ennis is a nice end of rotation player, but will get more than we can offer after his showing in the playoffs.

I doubt this is a popular stance, but the other free agent of ours that we do have Bird rights to and that I have a limited amount of money I would offer is JJ. I know his caliber of shooting will be hard to replace without having true cap space and our ability to exceed the cap for him makes him likely to stay, but he is too easily taken out of the game by teams that defend hard and with athletic length. He really isn't starter material on a contender and if he is going to be a bench player it makes sense to pay him as such.

Agree with this.

JJ is the only pending FA outside of Butler/Harris that I'm willing to spend some $ on to bring back. His role and skillset is too valuable for this team to lose, even if it's to be scaled back a bit due to his defense and age. Zhaire developing and having good off-season would really help.

Ennis is a dime a dozen wing. He's an energy guy with some size and a streaky, league average outside shot. There is a reason he's played on 6 teams already. Sure he played decent in the Raps series, but he's easily replaceable and someone you could actually UPGRADE with good scouting....there are players like him in the 2nd round of every draft and playing in the G-League.

Scott's attitude and personality fit here, sure....and his Perimeter shot filled a roll off the bench.But he wasn't anything special.He too can be replaced by a plethora of veterans in around the league or youngsters coming into the league.

You Spend your money on your star players and then assemble your bench through good drafting/scouting and cheap 1 year veteran system fits via FA/Buy-Out market. They wanna come back on dirt cheap 1 year deals? Ok. Outside of that, id look elsewhere.

[sixers hoops]

I hope that we are aggressive in targeting someone for the MLE (or at least the bulk of it) and bringing our own guys back but then we exercise patience in signing minimum contract guys to fill out the roster. It just feels like there are going to be some decent options left on the market and you'd think we'd be a pretty attractive destination given that we are contenders and depth is our biggest weakness. Like I wouldn't be shocked if guys like Trevor Ariza, Carroll, Koufos, Temple, etc. are out there needing a home somewhere after the first couple weeks of free agency.

No reason to rush into bringing back the Amir and Boban's of the world when better options will likely present themselves.

Agreed, there will be value to be had for teams that wait. They need to put real thought into all 15 roster spots. No more of having the Stauskas/Korkmaz guys that start the season being pissed about not being in the rotation.

This may sound crazy but if they wanted to target Jared Dudley as the 12th guy on a minimum deal it could very valuable. He'll buy in, won't complain about a lack of playing time, can play in a bunch of different lineups during the year if needed. Had a positive RPM this year too.

I'd take Dudley if the team is cool with it. He's not any worse than Mike Scott.

I thought Dudley looked horrible against us, other than about one quarter. He looks useless, unless you need an instigator.

[youngcrev]

Agreed, there will be value to be had for teams that wait. They need to put real thought into all 15 roster spots. No more of having the Stauskas/Korkmaz guys that start the season being pissed about not being in the rotation.

This may sound crazy but if they wanted to target Jared Dudley as the 12th guy on a minimum deal it could very valuable. He'll buy in, won't complain about a lack of playing time, can play in a bunch of different lineups during the year if needed. Had a positive RPM this year too.

I'd take Dudley if the team is cool with it. He's not any worse than Mike Scott.

I thought Dudley looked horrible against us, other than about one quarter. He looks useless, unless you need an instigator.

I think he's an ok glue guy type. Somewhat versatile defensively, can make an open 3, doesn't make many bad plays.

It's not like Mike Scott is a good player or something.

DeMarre Carroll is higher profile guy than them and had about the same impact as both of them in that series.

[PhillyFan11]

Mike Scott is great for his toughness, but his long range shooting is streaky and defensively he is mostly meh to worse than meh. Ennis is a nice end of rotation player, but will get more than we can offer after his showing in the playoffs.

I doubt this is a popular stance, but the other free agent of ours that we do have Bird rights to and that I have a limited amount of money I would offer is JJ. I know his caliber of shooting will be hard to replace without having true cap space and our ability to exceed the cap for him makes him likely to stay, but he is too easily taken out of the game by teams that defend hard and with athletic length. He really isn't starter material on a contender and if he is going to be a bench player it makes sense to pay him as such.

Agree with this.

JJ is the only pending FA outside of Butler/Harris that I'm willing to spend some $ on to bring back. His role and skillset is too valuable for this team to lose, even if it's to be scaled back a bit due to his defense and age. Zhaire developing and having good off-season would really help.

Ennis is a dime a dozen wing. He's an energy guy with some size and a streaky, league average outside shot. There is a reason he's played on 6 teams already. Sure he played decent in the Raps series, but he's easily replaceable and someone you could actually UPGRADE with good scouting....there are players like him in the 2nd round of every draft and playing in the G-League.

Scott's attitude and personality fit here, sure....and his Perimeter shot filled a roll off the bench.But he wasn't anything special.He too can be replaced by a plethora of veterans in around the league or youngsters coming into the league.

You Spend your money on your star players and then assemble your bench through good drafting/scouting and cheap 1 year veteran system fits via FA/Buy-Out market. They wanna come back on dirt cheap 1 year deals? Ok. Outside of that, id look elsewhere.

While I agree Scott and Ennis are very replaceable...I don’t think we can be too stingy on trying to fill the bench. There are a lot of teams with $ to blow and we most likely won’t be 1 of them. If we sift through the scraps for vet minimums there may not be much left. This entire board preached the buy out market during the trade deadline....didn’t go so well.

That’s why I’m in favor of splitting the mle exception instead of throwing the max amount at just 1 guy.

[ankle420breaker]

Justin Anderson, Ish, Mejra, and Ellington should all be affordable options that I'd hope we look into.

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[brannigan73]

They need to prioritize a quality back up center. If it means losing guys like Scott and Ennis no big deal. They have to stop kidding themselves with Embiid. He has to be capped at around 65 games and 30 minutes a night with no back to backs. The backup C has to be a excellent defender as well. They were destroyed when he wasnt in the game against the Raptors. Greg Monroe was like -5000 combined in games 4 and 7 in limited minutes. Dwayne Dedmon and Nerlens Noel are two names that come to mind. If Brett didnt hold a grudge against Nerlens we could have had him for Amir Johnson type dollars this past season and we would be playing right now most likely or if we traded Fultz for Dedmon and not worried about some bs late first round pick. We have tons of scoring if we bring all the starters back we need a defensive anchor for when Embiid is not available.

[Tony Franciosa]

EB42 is either gonna really earn his money this summer or punch his ticket out of town. I almost don't envy him.

[PhilasFinest]

Look at how the current Finals teams are assembled

Toronto Starters: Team total 136.2M (4th highest in NBA)

Lowry (31.2M) Green(10M) Kawhi(21.1M) Ibaka (21.6M) Gasol (21.1M)

Toronto Bench:
Siakam- 1st round/27th overall. Diamond in the rough that has developed into a legit MIP player. 1.5M rookie deal.
VanVleet- Undrafted FA. Developed over 4 years on a dirt cheap deal. signed an extension making 8.6M a year
Powell- 2nd round/46th Overall. Developed over the years and contributed early on. signed an ext. 10M a year
Anunoby- 1st round/23rd Overall. 1.9M rookie deal
Lin- Buyout veteran
McCaw- Waiver/FA
Meeks- Vet Min FA off 10 day
Boucher 2-Way tearing up G league


Warriors: 146.2M (2nd Highest in NBA)
Curry(37) Klay(18.9) KD(30) Draymond(17.5) Cousins (5.3)

Bench:
Iguodala- Veteran FA signed 4/48M deal still in his prime.Has been there several years, still a key cog in their bench. 16M
Livingston- Veteran FA who signed a 3/16M deal.has been there several years now and revived his career in GSW. 8.3M
Jerebko- 1 year FA Veteran shooter. 2.1M
Looney- 1st round/30th Overall. Solid defensive backup big.1.5M Rookie deal
Cook- G-League signing. 1.5M
Bell- 2nd round/38th overall 1.3M
Jones- 1st round/30th overall.



Finding valuable contributors off the bench via the draft/G-league is essential to assembling quality depth on a roster. Put your money in your star players, pay 1-2 quality bench players without breaking the bank and then DRAFT WELL, DEVELOP TALENT.